Cyclist Wars

Started by: Tommy Two Stroke (9655)

The cyclists are not just content with taking over the A and B road network, they have now invaded the main Trunk Road Network, The Motorways and Dual Carriageways, and they are using highly trained shithouse cyclists

Look how many police it took to catch just one shithouse M-Way cyclist


Started: 14th May 2022 at 22:33

Posted by: ena malcup (1113) 

Close to my home, we have lost a lane's worth of carriageway space to provide cycle lanes. Two, that is, in either direction. They are protected space: a series of Hi-Vis posts separates cyclists from motor traffic.

Have not used them myself, as a 'backroad runs parallel to this route, and is much preferable for cycling.

Most cyclists completely ignore the dedicated provision for cyclists: they continue to cycle on the pavement. There have been accidents and injury to pedestrians.

Replied: 15th May 2022 at 00:08

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (9655)

They should be declared a terrorist organisation, and banned

Replied: 15th May 2022 at 00:33

Posted by: ena malcup (1113) 

I am amazed at how the police allocate resources.

In my neck of the woods, they were triaging the 999 calls.

If you were being burgled, or your car was being stolen, it would be downgraded to non emergency, and you would probably get a visit a few days hence, to give you a crime reference number.

On the other hand, a trivial incident in the city centre was swamped with police. Someone had started a small fire in a bank. It must have been minor: the interior of the bank showed no sign of fire the following day.

By 2-00 pm, local news announced that terrorism was dismissed: the guy had a grudge against the bank.

When I walked past, around 6-40pm, there were still more than a dozen police cars parked up. Down the many alleyways around were groups of policemen: doing what policemen are said not to do when on duty!

I do not disrespect the police, but we do need good quality policing. I am not convinced that is what we are getting.

Replied: 15th May 2022 at 01:06

Posted by: tomplum (9130) 

And what about the motorists who park in the cycle lanes and footpaths ? They have invaded our space so, we are fighting back, The is a little known group called ' Bonkers'
Bike, Owners, Nationally Keep, Entering, Routes, Stopping , Group,
You can't beat us so join us,
No road tax, no MOT, no insurance, no fuel, cheap to but, cheap to maintain , healthy and fun to ride,
We are the future,

sits back and awaits the picture of a cyclist in full regarter asking , how he looks,

Replied: 15th May 2022 at 11:04

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (9655)

Well just listen too yoo now Tom, yoo used to be a nice plumber, and now yoo are an anarchist on wheels, a two wheeled terrorist

Replied: 15th May 2022 at 11:08

Posted by: Anne (4161) 

He grows super sunflowers though. Mine that he gave me are coming on well.

Replied: 15th May 2022 at 11:19

Posted by: Billinge Biker (1407) 

TTS... like you I am amazed by the lengths the council have gone to... to provide for a small minority... Presumably the government is fronting this idea but I dont see Mr and Mrs Joe Bloggs doing their weekly shop on bikes... neither the tradesmen dragging a trailer behind them to carry out their work. It would be great to open bike lanes for the engine variety

Replied: 15th May 2022 at 11:24

Posted by: whups (8491) 

tomplum have you seen wigan rd on the stretch near the old eavesway garage ? . the cycle lane is constantly parked on ? .

Replied: 15th May 2022 at 11:59

Posted by: bambam (2537)

Most of cyclists who ride on footpaths do so to escape the inpatient motorist (not them all) and I can honestly say a few of them are wiganworlders, we all know there is only one winner so Come on you four wheelers give us two wheelers a bit of consideration.

Replied: 15th May 2022 at 12:10

Posted by: tomplum (9130) 

TTS is just pulling my cycling leg thank you Anne, yes mine are growing well too, as is the plants you kindly gave me, I'll get back in touch later when the family have gone home to arrange to get some more,
Whups, yes that cycling lane is a joke, a complete waste of time ,money and government planning,
We cyclists are the modern day, knights of the road,
please tip your cap or curtsey as we pass you in a traffic jam,,

Replied: 15th May 2022 at 12:26

Posted by: broady (18181) 

I sent you a message re cycles almost a week ago elsewhere.

Replied: 15th May 2022 at 13:03

Posted by: ena malcup (1113) 

I am a cyclist
I am a motorist
and mostly, shanks pony is what I use.

I see no reason for any group loyalty being evoked in excuse of failure to exercise responsible behaviour: it just puts us at higher levels of risk.

Replied: 15th May 2022 at 13:52

Posted by: tomplum (9130) 

Bill just had a look at elsewhere and my other elsewhere but, I have no new message on any ?

Replied: 15th May 2022 at 14:13

Posted by: PeterP (9377)

Whups if the cycle lane has a broken white line then motorists can park in this area . I also know the area you are talking about and the cycle lane is useless If the council though there was anywhere else for cars to park they would have installed a unbroken white line which cars cannot park in.

Replied: 15th May 2022 at 14:27

Posted by: broady (18181) 

On WR Home page.

Replied: 15th May 2022 at 14:30

Posted by: tomplum (9130) 

ah, seen it now bill and answered,

Replied: 15th May 2022 at 15:38

Posted by: lectriclegs (4860)

It doesn't bode well when he has to be prompted to look at his own site on here.

Replied: 15th May 2022 at 17:48

Posted by: annemarie (273)

I suppose cycles are ok but early on Saturday morning when going into Horwich there are lots of then at Crown I suppose they are going into Rivington but they do cause a lot of disruption

Replied: 15th May 2022 at 21:51

Posted by: Owd Codger (765)

Why spend money on providing a cycle lane for most of the way from the Cherry Gardens to Standish Village Centre when vehicles park on it with nothing is done about it by both the Council and the Police?

Replied: 16th May 2022 at 10:28

Posted by: PeterP (9377)

Owd Codger if it a broken white line then cars can park but if the line is a unbroken white line then vehicles cannot park.Was reading today about a fire engine could not get through traffic because the council put 6 inch kerbs to separate the cycle lane from the road

Replied: 16th May 2022 at 11:28

Posted by: tomplum (9130) 

Tom's Thursday trip to Toolstation, Taking tracks + Trails to teach Tommy Two stroke the transportation techniques + trends of the cyclist,
Wigan and back in 10 minutes,

faster than a taxi

Replied: 19th May 2022 at 12:20

Posted by: ena malcup (1113) 

Get a better lock.

Those combination types are extremely simple to defeat, without using any tools or devices.

Replied: 19th May 2022 at 14:27

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (9655)


Good video that

At one time I regularly used to walk to Wigan, and I started off from Worsley Mesnes going exactly the same way you did, which was getting on to the gravel path to Newtown, going past the Red Pond, and coming out at the side of Scroofix, never mind Tool Station, and then it was the slog up Wallgate and into the town centre.
But I wanted to find a different way into Wigan, to avoid more roads, so on the gravel path to the Red Pond, if you go right along the gravel path which leads to the right from the Red Pond, you come to a bridge over Poolstock Brook, and then you go through a wodded area, and you come to a bridge over the River Duggy, and then it's up the path to Fourteen Meadows Road, and then you are on Swan Meadow Road, and that way misses out Newtown, but I have been told that the route is now overgrown and impassable

If yoo had done that ride yesterday, you could have carried on to the Brick Hub, off Caroline Street, and that was where Kay was yesterday with her TV team, and they showed a lot of the bike refurbishment facility, at that hub, so yoo could have told Kay and the viewers about all of your cycling exploits, and how you supported Kevin, and helped him with his bikes, and healthy living style in Westwood

Replied: 19th May 2022 at 14:56

Posted by: tomplum (9130) 

Ena, that is my, kwik lock, I use that for times I can see my bike, If its being left unattended, I use both my combo and my stronger one which they will need a cordless grinder/cutter to undo, Its still not full proof but, There is only so much we can do,
Tommy yea I know that path on the right at the red pond and its workable, There are 2 routes after the bridge, left to the bridge over the duggie and right to the garages on Baker St,
As I'm typing this Bethells are out side marking the new kerbs to narrow the roads, Thats going to Pizz some people off because they park where the new kerbs are going,

Replied: 19th May 2022 at 15:25

Posted by: broady (18181) 

I read an article about bike thieves. Evidently they follow those with the expensive bikes and once they lock them and leave they go with an aerosol of CO2 I think it is, spray the lock which freezes and the lock breaks upon impact.

Replied: 19th May 2022 at 15:45

Posted by: GOLDEN BEAR (4774) 

I have just e-mailed and posted a letter to my M.P . asking her to bring the question up in parliament and that is ," That cyclist's should be forced to pay some type of tax to ride on the Highway's of England ,also at the same time i am strongly in favour of the cyclist 's paying some sort of insurance for should they cause an accident plus damage to other road user's then if they were to be found at fault one would be able to claim from them , i think this is a fair and just way for them to be treated this way ,, oh by the way ,"Have a nice day " GB.

Replied: 19th May 2022 at 15:55

Posted by: tomplum (9130) 

GB you are entitled to your views and i respect that but, The Gov't are encouraging 'green' ways of travelling and cycling is as green as you can get, Its the most efficient means of transport, by imposing taxes, It will become less so, I don't think you have a snowballs chance in Hell GB,, As for insurance, Where would that go ?? if a cycle has to be insured then so will, childs bikes, prams, wheelchairs, dogs, pedestrians, horses, pigeons,

there will be no end to it,

Replied: 19th May 2022 at 16:59

Posted by: Stardelta (9761)

Have you thought it all through GB?

Who will implement and oversee the rules?
What will it all cost and who will pay?
Will the benefits outweigh the disadvantages and what evidence is there to support it?
What are the likely penalties for those who don't follow the rules?
Will there be an age-cut off?
Don't the Government and the Police get enough stick and take enough accusations of oppressiveness as it is without nicking sensible people pottering along on their pushbikes?

You probably haven't noticed but the government are presently trying to make the situation safer for all concerned by increasing cycling infrastructure ie. dedicated lanes and junctions (mocked by many in here I might add) and by the recent highway code changes.

It will never happen!

Replied: 19th May 2022 at 17:57

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (9655)


Those bays on Poolstock Lane, will be the same as the ones on Wigan Road at Landgate, going up Rosehill, and Gidlow Lane, and seeing that they don't really stick out any more than the cars which park there now, it doesn't make passage along the road any harder, it is just the same.

Replied: 19th May 2022 at 18:49
Last edited by Tommy Two Stroke: 19th May 2022 at 18:51:29

Posted by: tomplum (9130) 

yea I get that Tommy but, it will encourage the parkers to park inside the dotted lines, now they still park with 2 wheels on the pavement and this does not narrow the road, With cars level with the kerbed bays, The road will be narrow and hence slower, hey up listen to this,
>>>>>> ZOOOOOOOOOOOOM>>>>>>>>>
a car shooting down Poolstock Lane because its wide with no cars in front, Now when the cars park inside the lines and not on the pavement it will sound like this

>>>>>>trundle, trundle trundle>>>>>>

Replied: 19th May 2022 at 19:03

Posted by: First Mate (724)

Posted by: tomplum (8995) View tomplum's page

GB you are entitled to your views and i respect that but, The Gov't are encouraging 'green' ways of travelling and cycling is as green as you can get, Its the most efficient means of transport, by imposing taxes, It will become less so, I don't think you have a snowballs chance in Hell GB,, As for insurance, Where would that go ?? if a cycle has to be insured then so will, childs bikes, prams, wheelchairs, dogs, pedestrians, horses, pigeons,

there will be no end to it,

Replied: 19th May 2022 at 16:59

The sooner they tax cyclists for being on the road cycle lane etc the better.

Replied: 19th May 2022 at 22:50
Last edited by First Mate: 19th May 2022 at 22:53:54

Posted by: Owd Codger (765)

I only wish the Government made it compulsory for cyclists to wear a helmet, visibility vest and have lights and a warning device on their cycles if they are riding on the streets and roads.

Also to ride in single file if there is more then one of them.

How many of you have nearly knocked down one riding along in the dark and wearing dark clothing and no lights on the cycle?

Replied: 20th May 2022 at 08:42
Last edited by Owd Codger: 20th May 2022 at 09:01:32

Posted by: lectriclegs (4860)

Self entitled idiots most of them.

Replied: 20th May 2022 at 08:49

Posted by: tomplum (9130) 

Owd Codger, those who ride at night in dark clothing are the ones that, Don't want to be seen, they are up to no good, thieving, selling drugs and planning wrong doings,

Replied: 20th May 2022 at 09:12

Posted by: Owd Codger (765)

Tom Plum

Most have nothing to do with what you claim.

Just not willing to spend any money on the things I have said.

Replied: 20th May 2022 at 09:20

Posted by: tomplum (9130) 

fairy nuff,

Replied: 20th May 2022 at 10:30

Posted by: PeterP (9377)

A lot of cyclist during the day time wear dark clothing and some don't wear a helmet or have a bell fitted to their cycle Tom you used to ride motorbikes and you were advised to use your headlight so you could be seen. Today even cars are fitted with side lights which come on automaticially whilst driving .I thought if you cannot see a car what chance have you got of seeing a cycle.

Replied: 20th May 2022 at 10:41

Posted by: admin (1210)

Drove up Goose Green this lunch time towards the round about. Near St Paul's church I passed a middle aged guy on a bike, On the main road 2 yards to his left was a purpose built Cycle Lane. costing a don't know how much.. Surely there should be a law to say If there is a cycle lane you must use it or get a fine. Money wasted...

Replied: 20th May 2022 at 17:39

Posted by: broady (18181) 

As I wrote above Bournemouth Council are advising cyclists to use the road rather than the cycle paths alongside. Crazy.

Replied: 20th May 2022 at 17:42

Posted by: tomplum (9130) 

Do you mean going towards Wigan or towards Marus Bridge because, Going the Marus Bridge way, The cycle path is a shared pavement and the cars park on there full 4 wheels on the cycle/pavement and near the lights is a floor layers shop and regularly , there are vans blocking the whole pavement/cycle path which, is more dangerous than being on the road,
There is a law about parking on the pavements but, no one is policing it,
Who is more in the wrong, The guy using a bike and slowing traffic or traffic blocking pavements and creating a danger to ALL,

Replied: 20th May 2022 at 21:13

Posted by: Pewfall (273) 

There is no specific law about parking on pavements in England Tom (outside of London) unless u go down the line of obstruction e.g. blocking a lowered kerb. It's nuts how it IS an offence to drive over a pavement though due to an extant 1835 Highways Act to get onto the pavement yet no-one will take action. I've never pavement parked and would welcome, like London, dishing out tickets to inconsiderate drivers. Government been doing 'consultations' about this for couple of years but seem too chicken to implement it?

Replied: 20th May 2022 at 22:27

Posted by: tomplum (9130) 

everyday is a skool day, thanks pewfall, So it seems a cycle lane is fair pickings for inconsiderate lazy motorists,

Replied: 20th May 2022 at 22:41

Posted by: Pewfall (273) 

I agree Tom. Also, too many cyclists similarly think i am fair pickings as a pedestrian to be mown down by them on the pavement.

Replied: 20th May 2022 at 23:04

Posted by: PeterP (9377)

Are cyclists allowed to ride their bikes in a pedestrian zone How did Mick get away with cycling through the Royal Arcade and the proof was he put it on video?

Replied: 21st May 2022 at 06:50

Posted by: tomplum (9130) 

They key word here is, consideration, The pavement is there for everyone, Pedestrians have priority , even the pram pushing mothers walking side by side gorping at their phones and having toddlers at the side with dogs running along on trip wire leads, I will give them right of way and bid them good morning as we pass,

Replied: 21st May 2022 at 09:35

Posted by: lectriclegs (4860)

Another self entitled idiot

"The pavement is there for everyone, "

As outlined in the Highway Code, cyclists are not allowed to cycle on public footpaths.

This means cycling on pavements is prohibited, as detailed in Rule 64 of the code, as these are exclusively for pedestrian use.

Replied: 21st May 2022 at 09:41

Posted by: admin (1210)

TOM. I was heading toward the island at Marus Bridge and there was no obstructions on the cycle path from St Pauls church to the traffic signals at Marus Bridge.

Replied: 21st May 2022 at 10:03

Posted by: tomplum (9130) 

Admin, that must have been a rare moment, in this clip, just at the start is a van in the pavement/cycle path, behind him was more cars and vans,

cycle path St Pauls to Marus bridge

Replied: 21st May 2022 at 10:46

Posted by: admin (1210)

TOM yes that's the exact route he took but he was riding on the road, and no obstructions on the cycle path. I made a point of checking..

Replied: 21st May 2022 at 15:11
Last edited by admin: 23rd May 2022 at 16:43:42

Posted by: AngelWood (759)

I have yet to see a cyclist on Wallgate.

Replied: 22nd May 2022 at 00:07

Posted by: Owd Codger (765)

Angel Wood

I have seen a number of them using it, but when those going towards the Saddle Roundabout reach Haig Street opposite Wigan Pier, they then have to ride along the pavement as Wallgate is one way towards the town centre.

What use is a cycle path which is only part way between Haig Street and Great George Street and not all the way to the Saddle Roundabout?

Replied: 22nd May 2022 at 07:49
Last edited by Owd Codger: 22nd May 2022 at 07:55:34

Posted by: roylew (3576)

I walked from winstanley past the venture yesterday (Saturday) and saw 1 cyclist and 2 on the way back coming off VIctoria Park….we will never be a cycling country…60 years ago Christmas Day was full of kids on new and second hand bikes…not now though…more on those dreaded electric scooters

Replied: 22nd May 2022 at 08:14

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (9655)

And the cyclist's who use the roads today, are these shithouse ecowarrior types, who are aggressive and dangerous

Replied: 22nd May 2022 at 10:10

Posted by: mortarmillbill (778)

Don't tar us all with the same brush TTS. I am quite happy to plod along on my bike and often get overtaken by joggers.

Replied: 22nd May 2022 at 10:19
Last edited by mortarmillbill: 22nd May 2022 at 15:59:11

Posted by: tomplum (9130) 

Well said mortieBill, We are the new Knights of the road, respectful to all , none pollutive ,economic ambassadors of travel, The haters will always be jealous of our freedom of passage and rules,

cycle a mile in our tyres before you judge us,

Replied: 22nd May 2022 at 13:30

Posted by: baker boy (15603)

poolstock lane is a decidedly dodgy road to drive on drivers hitting the new high kerbs in the narrow sections in dark conditions or bad weather could be flipped over.
thousands of cars an hour to five cyclists an hour .congrats WMBC

Replied: 24th May 2022 at 23:35

Posted by: tomplum (9130) 

BB, Don't take this the wrong way but, If you are hitting the kerbs, you need to go to specsavers or consider, giving up driving,

Replied: 25th May 2022 at 12:07


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