another dog attack

have just had to pull a staffy off daughters little boston terrier , her dog was behind the gates and this little scroat with a staffy walked past n let his staffy smell at the boston then it grabbed it by its face an he pulled the dog through the gate i had to punch the dog to get it off now all his family are kickin off threatening get me kicked in ha ha ha coz they know the local drug dealers owwwwww im scared bits

Hear hear. Get the dog destroyed, one less waste of the breed on the streets.

phoned police they wont do anything coz its dog on dog little dog gone to vets now , police going to their house coz they threatend us but you know how long it takes the plod to come ,

I agree with TOM send them the Bill, and tell the Police again, say you are not happy with the response you got.

Hope your dogs ok . As for the threat from the little lowlife, I am sure the local dealers have bigger fish to fry than sorting out a customers arguments . He must be a tough little lad to need back up eh I had the same threat a couple yrs ago, i offered the lad my mobile to call them , incredible he declined. All mouth , louder they yell the least power they have.
As for the dog attacking yours, if it isn't under control he shouldn't have it, it could have been a toddler it grabbed . I'd also push for something to be done, because that dog is in the wrong hands. Thats unfair to everyone in your locality and its unfair on the dog , which needs training, muzzling, before it ends up euthenised.

It's a pity that you can't muzzle and neuter the owners.

lucky our dog is insured and have legal cover so they are going to get the bill , oh guess what its not there dog now they saying its their daughters ex boyfriends dog after their daughter came mouthing off its her dog n i had to let it go anyway its all on cctv from house it dragged the boston under the gate , thing is our other dog could not get at the staff r he would have killed it hes an english bull thats 5n1/2 stone , still waiting for plod to turn up , i was shouting at the scroat it needs muzzling he saying its not agressive errrrr its got my dog in its mouth , thing is if i had killed it i would have got done for killing it i tell you it was damn close im on cctv holding it up over my head ready smash it on the spikes on the gate but lucky my head said dont , townofmem hes about 30 ish , they both at fault the owner and the dog the dog attacked n the owner for not haveing it musseled

HOpe evrything turns out in your favour lezgee

There's still toooo much of this happening

My mate wrestled a staffi last yr on Booths Brow road that was straying, it had been taken into someones garden waiting for dog warden, it jumped a wall to grab her 2 border terriers, that are tiny . She is small framed herself , and managed to get it in her arms in a head lock . Her dogs were on leads and wouldn't have stood a chance if it had grabbed one . How she didn't get bitten is nothing short of a miracle.
I don't mind staffies as long as they are on a lead and muzzled , any dog can bite, but for them the problem is letting go . Its lucky you managed to get it off or you'd have a dead pet on your hands . I have 2 dogs and no ones dog would get away with attacking mine , no matter what threats they make. Because there could be a 'next time' and next time might have a worse result. The owner is at fault for not training it, and whoever was walking it for not keeping it restrained. The dog is obviously untrained through no fault of its own. I'm with Jathbee it is a pity we can't muzzle and neuter the owner , they aren't fit to keep a hamster let alone a strong dog.

i agree, they let their granddaughter walk the dog on her own shes about 12 ish just found out that it attacked him that was walking it just before xmas when he and his brother was fighting due to ale n drugs so make what you will of the family , been on to dog warden they going monday if they say its not their dog they are takeing it if they say it is their dog they gettin a big vet bill r court for them

All I can say lezgee is good..get the morons sorted out.

Hope the little dog is OK, Lezgee and good luck whichever way you proceed.

I wonder if the WEP have noticed this one?

thanks every one for the comments daughter gone to pic up freddie now , im no little lad but that dog was powerfull it had a big head and neck good job im not scared of dogs coz no way the scroat would have got its jaws open

Easiest way to get a staffordshire bull terrier off another dog is to strangle it. When it can't breathe it will let go.
Glad your Daughters dog is ok, Lez.

i couldnt strangle it mac its neck was too big it had an harness so couldnt use its collar ,so being a black belt i punched shit out its head n it let go ,it was like a bulls neck lol anyway i won , freddie home now doped up n battle scared ,

I am glad that your dog is ok lezgee. There has been a recent discussion on WW with regard to bringing back dog licences and the like, and something obviously needs to be done because of irresponsible owners.

I was talking about this to my brother before, we have a few dogs in and amongst our family, ranging from tiny terrier to a Rottweiler and no matter what the size you can't take your eye off the ball for one second.

police still not been r phoned ,they wander why no one has confidence in them any more , they quick enough to come if a racial remark is made some where , do they want vigilantes r what

police finaly phoned back 11.10 they will call monday at 1 oclock what a waste of time ,

been on to the dog warden there is nothing we can do they say ,but if it happens again i an in my rights to kill it , bit late now to say that so every 1 if your pet is on your property and a dog attacks it you can kill it , ps mac still no plod , but if i went up rd on bike testing it they would be there right away , law is an ass

Phone the desk and ask to speak to the Sergeant, Lez. Tell them you wish to formally complain.

finally turned up n took statement and went round to them , they said we had done the right thing reporting it and not causing a feud , as yet, will have to wait and see what happens ,

Good. Hope everything works out in your favour.

Indeed. Be careful.

plod said its what farmers do so you can they said , im not that cruel to do it for no reason i like dogs even staffys just dont like them attacking other animals for no reason ,will take bill for vets to um n see what happens not holding r breath but worth a try , then will leave it time is a big healer wink wink

Incident. One of many

Indeed. Though I would want the dog that attacked the guide dog to be destroyed, and it's owner beaten to within an inch of his life.


here

Legzee, you made a comment in your posting at 15.36hrs that it was a good job your other dog couldn't get at it as he's a english bull and 5 and half stone, he sounds a bit dangerous to me as well. Make your mind up what you consider as a dangerous dog.

TOM, it was Legzee himself who made the comment about his own dog, read his posting he made on 14th April at 1536hrs. He said his dog would have killed the staffie, I didn't say it. He made out his own dog was as dangerous as the staffie. Read posts properly before having a dig at me.

big diff eddie he DIDNT DO IT the other did as for it being in a dogs nature to attack another dog that some one said what a lot off bo****ks as them two the english bull n the boston live together with no probs , he was sticking up for the boston , and hes ok with other dogs but will fight back if attacked

I know you dog owners won't like this, but I think it should be made legal for ALL dogs to be muzzled in public. They may be little sweethearts at home, but no dog can be trusted in public with other dogs, children, or anyone else. Sorry, but that's what I think. NO dog can be trusted. I speak from a bad experience of dogs.

i agree in a perfect world every dog would be but we dont there will allways be the arkward 1 that wont , also that staffy was on one them extending leads owner /walker was about 20ft behind the dog , but what if your dog is muzzled and gets attacked by 1 thats not it cant defend its self then , ive had my rant over it now , not at any one on here just in general

Not a fan of muzzling dogs, some struggle to breathe. Though once a dog has shown any kind of aggression, it should be muzzled when out. Extended leads should be for toy breeds only.

Talking of toy breeds and extended leads. I had my collie out one night and a woman had a toy dog on one of them damn leads, came sniffing at my dog and then wrapped itself round my bloomin legs. Lets face it, some owners are just plain thick. Grrr..

i have a staff but i do think all dogs have to be on leads , i really do hope your dog is going to be ok, these kind of people give other dog owners with staffs a bad name,i remember when i was walking my staffy dog through the park when this other god owner had her yorky dogs of their leads they came running over and bouncing aroung my dog,mine just stood their and looking at me thinking what the eckis going on, the owner came screaming at me saying ho my dogs get them away from her, well im sorry im was on a lead and she was in the wrong its just a good job that i have good control over mine un like some

lol, VG.

Collie eh....If I had a Collie I would be SOoo predictable and name it Flower.

Have you been talking to Stooo? Don't tell me you're him as well

Apologies Mac - me being dense, I didn't get your joke. Flower is my name on Wigan Live - occasionally....

No, I am sensible, and Happy.

See my edit above.

Ah. Tsk @ you.
Wigan live eh...Is it still 'live', then?

Yes Mac - it is Live and Kicking

I've only posted a couple of times since New Year - it doesn't seem to be very busy at all. It seemed to be doing well before they shut it down - when Johnny was in full swing.

Apologies to Lez - just realised completely off-topic.

Full swing?...

Oh, where would you like me to start? ......The language, the racism - Darren would have had a field day with him

I don't have a problem with him myself, but when I first joined he was convinced I was someone else trolling him.

He is actually quite funny when at full throttle.

Bernard Manning eat your heart out.

OMG Mollie M......muzzle all dogs?....you really are a silly woman!

I do think that ALL dogs and cats should be microchipped though, that should be compulsary.

Muzzling all dogs just because they are dogs is just cruel.

How about cats being made to stay within their owners property toi stop them crapping in our gardens and killing birds for no reason?.......silly isn't it?

Veg Grower, apart from my being accused of being Flower on Wigan Live, for some strange reason, so thank you for verifying that you are/were Flower on there.

Lapis, get real and learn to understand about animals, rather than just "owning" them. Anyone who keeps an animal should be aware of their responsibilities and the LAW. I don't have any cats now, which you'll no doubt be happy to learn, as my last old darling died in January, so just back off.

Cats don't have owners, so that shows how much you understand cats, and that shows how silly you are! Cats, unlike dogs, cannot be trained because being of a higher intelligence, have minds of their own, like it or not. None of mine ever killed birds or other wildlife, but they did bring them "live" into the house as presents,including mice, voles, worms, etc but they were set free again. Those were MY cats and, like other species, not all are the same as they were taught to understand "no." None of my cats ever went into anybody else's garden either because they couldn't, so don't tar them all with the same brush.

There are also responsible cat owners as well.

Yes, I stand by what I said. All dogs should be muzzled in public.

Prefer to eat Mr. Mannings heart.

Mollie, you silly, silly fool, you need to take your feet out of your loud gob!
Firstly, I am a responsible dog owner, I know all about my dog and why he does what he does, he's insured, microchipped and vet registered, he's kept under control at all times (unless in OUR garden where he can do the 'wall of death' freely)
He is also always kept up to date with vaccinations too.
He is well trained and we love him to bits.
Our dog doesn't kill birds for any reason, nor does he crap in other folks gardens! (We clean up after our dog, did you clean the crap out of other folks gardens, Mollie?) Please don't try telling me they stayed in your garden as that would be like telling my aunt Fannys budgie not to fly out of an open window!

Mollie if you actually don't own your cats then why are you on a mission to cause aggro?......good god, i'd love to have seen you teach one of 'your' cats how to obey commands, seeing as they are so superior in the brains department! lmao
I actually hate what cats do, they crap in other folks gardens and kill birds for no reason, yes....lovely animals.
Yes, some look cute but they are like a wolf in sheeps clothing, totally unpredictable!
Clearly YOU are the one that lacks intelligence, the one who lead us all to beleive you had had a stroke then got caught out!
So you will not be getting any grace from me, my dear....you are a fraud!

If cats don't have owners then there are no responsibilies involved in their care either. That would explain why when one of your beloved cats died, you put it in a bin bag and put it into your dustbin. That was by your own admission , was it not. Mollie.
Not only was that heartless it was also irresponsible. What about the health risks to the people who had to handle your bin.
As for cats being more intelligent than dogs, there is no scientific evidence to prove your statement.
At least dogs have a very useful role in our society, police dogs, dogs that help blind and deaf people to lead a more independant life, sniffer dogs. Need I go on.
What useful purpose do cats serve. How would it be if all cats had to be harnessed to keep them off other people's property, to stop them causing damage to plants and wildlife. No doubt you would scream cruelty.
As for putting a dead animal into a domestic bin, I think it may be illegal.

Brilliantly put, Jathbee!

there is no law that says all dogs must be muzzled,

but i like mollie m think there should be.

Some humans need their gobs boarding up!

I think that any dog that has attacked a human should be considered a dangerous dog and dealt with in the appropriate manner.
Any dog that has attacked another dog should be muzzled in a public place. It's unfair to treat all dogs as a threat.

All dogs, inc. working dogs, guide dogs, sniffer dogs, etc?

Mollie m does talk some rubbish..always has done and always will..I too have a long memory,her darling cat put in the bin etc..as I stated before take note what time she posts comments on here..and it is also a silly thing to say that cats are more intelligent..we have had both cats and dogs,you cannot train cats..our present cat is eighteen and more of an indoor cat,and anytime he has been in the garden he is watched like a hawk..I love birds too..having said that no one kills as many birds as man..so no mollie m,cats are not as intelligent as dogs..you cannot train any feline..as for dogs being muzzled..well that's downright cruel,if anything should be muzzled mollie,it's you.

momac, well said!

Imbecilia abounds

Although ridiculous, I think they probably thought they were doing the right thing - some people don't know when enough is enough were animals are concerned. I hope they all went to good homes...

Mac, what a bloody crazy dog that thing is!

There was one that growled at his foot everytime he went to scratch his head, I looked for it and got that.

Now that is one dog that needs to be muzzled for it's own protection It's a self harmer.

Macs dog

There's a King Charles spaniel in todays Leigh journal ripped to bits by a Rottweiller. The Charlie was on a lead the Rott wasn't.

Awww.

I have just read of the Spaniel and it is horrifying. Another event mentioned in the Leigh Reporter is that of a Staffie with two of its paws bound and tied to a gas cylinder and dumped in an Atherton lake to perish. Whatever your thoughts on staffies or indeed, any other breed, anyone who treats an animal like that wants shooting IMO. Last week, The Reporter featured the story of a cat that had been kicked and battered and is hopefully going to pull through.

Chopping.

Easy to chip a dog, equally as easy to remove it, though a tad more painful.



I abhor violence inflicted on any animal, Vg, (Except human). Cowardly acts performed by cowardly people..

'I know you dog owners won't like this, but I think it should be made legal for ALL dogs to be muzzled in public. They may be little sweethearts at home, but no dog can be trusted in public with other dogs, children, or anyone else. Sorry, but that's what I think. NO dog can be trusted. I speak from a bad experience of dogs.'

mollie m, I couldn't agree with you more and I AM a dog owner. I own a gsd x and a rottweiler, both are muzzled when in a public place and are kept on leads. I love my dogs far too much to even risk them biting or even snapping at someone not that they have ever shown that tendancy yet. What I would also like to see is extendable dog leads done away with and it be made law that if the dog is in a public area, be that parklands, woodlands, fields, beaches etc, then it must remain on a lead at all times. Specific dog parks/exercise areas should be made for owners to allow their dogs off lead and if a dog is found off lead out of these areas then the owner/person responsible for the dog at that time needs to be fined.
I am a responsible dog owner and I hate when other peoples dogs come hurtling towards me and mine when we are out. As a disabled dog owner, I am usually wheelchair bound when out with my dogs, yes I always have someone with me but it is still not easy trying to control a potential explosive situation with some strange off lead dog from a wheelchair.
So mollie m,yes muzzle them and keep them on lead under control at ALL times - make it safer for all concerned.

£35 is nothing to get the dog chipped. As you say Mac, some are removed (I'm still shocked by that) but obviously the majority won't be removed, so this would be a step in the right direction. I think they really need to bring back the dog licence though and insurance thus giving the owner more responsibility.

I am undecided on muzzling though - dogs need to communicate/socialise when outside and when with other dogs. I don't think dogs attacking humans or other dogs is epidemic - the problem in the majority of cases is the owner.

I've noticed the different types of muzzle. Some like a grill and are made to cover the mouth but enable the dog the open its mouth and I have no problem with these.

Others though are like a band that goes around the mouth and restrict the dog to a large extent from opening its mouth to breath let alone bite. I don't like these and can only think it is a matter of cost.

Twinkle, I ask again: All dogs, inc. working dogs, guide dogs, sniffer dogs, etc?

Question first posed - 19th Apr 2012 at 10:30

I am referring to pet dogs trained in obedience or not however, if a basket muzzle is used then there is no reason why working dogs as those you mention would not be able to continue their jobs whilst wearing one.

I would only use basket muzzles on any dog as they allow the dog to pant and drink, there is no need to use the band type muzzle at all.

The only dog that should be muzzle free should be the police dog - land sharks as they are fondly known. This is of course only my opinion.

Inc. Military Police, Security, Rescue dogs?

What about guide dogs?

I'm in favour of dogs being able to defend themselves if attacked.

I am leading up to such things....Or was.

All dogs should be on leads, and under the control of a responsible adult. If this was the case, there would be very few attacks.

I will keep my story short because i'v told it before

on here,my dog was attacked by two greyhounds they had

her on her back and was tearing at her throat.

She would have been ripped to pieces but both greyhounds

were muzzled,my dog was uninjured.

See above.

am just telling my true story mac,its not what may happen.

Take a place like the plantations i think it is cruel to

keep a dog on a lead all the time,how a chip will stop dogs

biting is beyond me.I am as thick as a prop but some time

common sense is needed.

Not disputing anything, Elmos. You have my utmost sympathy. my dog has been on the receiving end of vicious dogs in the past. The owners didn't like it when I reacted, but sod them. they can't control their dogs, so I will do it for them.

It rarely is the dog's fault, the fault lies with the owners who can't, won't or simply fail to control their dogs properly.

Theres not a cat in hells (or wheelie bins) chance our dog will ever wear a muzzle, its cruel!
Anyone who thinks the idea is even suitable for working dogs must be bonkers as sniffer dogs need to get close to the ground etc as they search, so to muzzle the dog would be counter productive.

Dog owners can be responsible without the animal suffering the restriction of a muzzle, after all you'd have to remove it to allow the dog to drink/eat when out.
The use of close/cloth muzzles also prevent the dog from panting to cool down....just barbaric.

Bit like the Jack Russell yapping round mi wife's ankles on Southport beach, owner says " Oh I am sorry, is she bothering you" mi wife says ""Yes it is" dog owner says "Oh you sad people, get a life" and fires off a string of abuse.
Now perhaps you dog owners can advise what the correct answer should have been, as it would appear that it was mi wife who was at fault for having the audacity to walk on the Beach.

We have got to assume that working dogs are under the complete control of the handler and are fully trained and of course in the line of their work should not need to be muzzled.

However if they are not at work and in a public area there is no need for them not be muzzled with a muzzle that allows them to breath.

A muzzle can be as big as you like and still not let the dog attack. I cannot understand the tight band muzzle at all.

Only thought of this late on......

What about dogs that have epilepsy?

My girl had epilepsy when I adopted her, although seems to have grown out of it, if she had a fit with a muzzle on it could kill her.

Good point veg grower, muzzling is not always practical.

Muzzling is definitely cruel unless the owner knows their own dog is likely to snap,children will nearly always go to pat a dog..I still do it myself..and like lapis said how on earth is the poor animal supposed to pant when it's warm,it is their only regulator of heat...veggie..I used to have a Collie,and she was a brilliant dog,wish I had her yet.

Jamse's mention of the 'tight band muzzle' reminded me of something.

Vets often use them for their own safety whilst tending an injured dog.

There was something I once saw whigh gave advice to owners about how to apply a makeshifrt muzzle a bandage was used if memory serves), in cases where the dog could be aggressive and try to bite you in the aftermath of an injury/accident prior to getting medical attention.

It was in an article about first aid for dogs.

Of course, but whilst on the subject it may be something for owners to think about.

And that's the only use (Vet) I can think of for one of those types of muzzle.

Emergency muzzle

Worth knowing in case the unfortunate happens.

No good for short muzzle dogs.

And what kind of emergency requires a muzzle?

'Emergency' suggests on going event or event in the past tense.

Emergency to me, suggests an injured dog which may need vet attention.

Such as a case where dog has been injured (as can happen when a dog has been atttacked), which going off recent posts, seems to be more frequent these days.

Try bandaging an Alsatian's leg when she is injured and frightened. They may not like you even looking at the open wound, let alone touching it, or bandaging it.

Trust me, it can be difficult getting them in a car and taking them to the surgery. Their reaction is to protect themselves.

As I mentioned earlier, I'm totally against the use of muzzles.

Dogs need to have the ability to protect themselves.

Emergencies, thats acceptable.
I feel though if we are forced to muzzle all dogs then where do we draw the line......horses? etc.

For a start, Heroin addicts should have their dogs taken away from them.

Fair point, LL. Horses bite. Cows bite in certain situations, etc.

women can bite, but then some women should be

be muzzled to shut them up.

tom - I thought if you were homeless you weren't entitled to benefit?

veg grower - they have to have a 'care of' address otherwise they won't get paid their benefits. tom they don't get extra money if they have a dog, they get a set amount of whatever benefit they're on, the same as anyone else!

TOM was being flippant, Maxine....Folk tend to chuck Beggars money if a dog is sat with them.

Ahhhhh, I'm a bit thick sometimes!!

Not at all, just read it literally is all.

If there is another reason that a £100 + dog licence is required, then here it is.

Poor dog.

Pics may upset some (emaciated dog)

Link corrected. Cheers, ears.

Another pitiful tale.

Far too many of them....Did you see the story in the same paper about ther Elderly american towing his horse home? Comments vary but my view is he should be prosecuted for the act.

Mind, some of the stories in the article make for horrific reading.

Must also remember that kiddies are cruelly mistreated too.

Not sure about licences. They'd only work if everyone complied. The responsible owners would be straight in, but the problem people?

Was always against the idea of an expensive one too (such as your suggestion of £100), as I thought of it as a prohibitive factor for those who are less well off. Particularly those who benefit greatly from the companionship of their pets.

But; it would serve as a reminder to all that in the 21st Century, maintaining a dog properly IS an expensive thing.

It breaks my heart to read about animals 'thrown away' as if they are inert items of unwanted junk. Usually by people who feel they can no longer afford them.

Problem people would have their dogs taken from them. Easy to enforce. License pays for wardens. Wardens have powers to seize unlicensed animals.

OAP's would have reductions, Working dogs would have waived fees.
Less than £2 per week to (help to) safeguard animals, I would extend this to cats as well.

Valid point about funding.

Heartbreaking reading of the dogs.

I am sure Soldier will find a new home - he is so beautiful. I don't know why people do these things - animals give you more love than humans...

Indeed, and an unconditional love at that. Did you read the article, VG? Some sub human scrotes don't deserve to breathe the same air as us.

On a (slightly) happier note.

The fake Ugg boots sory is horrific.

I would have the woprds I use to decribe these 'humans' removed by Brian.
Sick, sick individuals.

I did read it Mac. It seems that we are hearing more and more of these stories. Curled up with my girl watching TV - as you say, the love is unconditional, like that a child has for its parents. Glad to know that people in China have a heart too and glad to know the British Press will keep publishing incidences of animal cruelty.

True enough. VG.
Animals skinned alive for vanity, and false vanity at that.
Something seriously wrong with some people.

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I also noticed the instigator of the sh*t storm rocked up, flung her views out, then crawled back into the hole from whence she came.



I hope this isnt aimed at me!!

Dog licences used to cost 35pence and people used to moan about that so no way would the idiots with dogs pay £100

Then they would have their dogs taken off them.

And what would happen to all those confiscated dogs?

they would probably lose there lives............all because they had incompetant owners

Not all dogs in Dogs homes are destroyed though. But the majority of dogs in Dogs homes are Staffs, this tells us something.

Uncontrolled Dogs

Stupid owners need to see the inside of a cell...

up date , due to the fact you cant get blood from a stone ie they have nothing we cant claim of them , as for plod a waste of time they never came back and said what had gone on ,now daughter was hit from behind why she had baby in his pram and the dogs on lead ,police told but yet again still waiting for them to come back to us after statment , now wonder how fast they would be if i went round n dragged them out the house n gave um a kickin the scum bags , best bit is ive been told they had lottery win n have stashed the money out the way of benefits dep , rant over

Pet?

just to clear things up my dog WAS IN HIS OWN GARDEN BEHIND CLOSED GATE the staffy grabbed freddie through the gate , the staffy was on a lead , so owner not got the dog under controle in public place , but the laws an ass ploice say dog on dog nothing they can do r will do , they wont foot the bill so we have to pay the vets bill as they so called have no means to pay but have now got another staffy aswell as the other , aww well will have to forget it wont i ,