Why does Wigan....

There is nothing wrong with Ashton.Ashton has alot of history too it. Did you know that the two main high schools always do well in performance league tables. Also its difficult to get your child in there, so many people are actually moving into Ashton for this reason.Also, St Oswalds, what a beautiful church.

St Oswalds church is steepd in history, St Edmund Arrowsmiths hand is kept there in a side altar and thats just for starters.
Ashton is also a good night out thesedays, some nice pubs and bars.A great little shopping centre too.

Ain't Ashton full o scousers? Not that i mind scousers but it seems to me that tonker says sommat and you lot all bite straight away, i bet he sits alone laughing at you all thinking like him you've got nowt better to do than heckle people having an innocent chat! p.s don't gi a monkeys what anyone says about Wigan, its not like its done us any harm is it.

p.p.s nice one antontrip!

Empress .... A 'Church Graveyard' is NOT a 'Cemetery'. Do you Wiganers really know nowt?

Anton got it right that time. His house could have backed onto a graveyard. But not a cemetery, because Ashton hasn't got one.

No Cab75, The 'Liverpoooooleerrrrrs' are in Garswood and Winstanley. Heres one to think about. You know how everybody from the surrounding towns and villages all want to say they're a Wiganer, well, your Liverpooler always says, "No", "I'm not from Liverpool, I'm from Huyton / Prescott / Bootle / Whiston / Crosby" etc.. Anywhere but Liverpool.


... p.s don't gi a monkeys what anyone says about Wigan, its not like its done us any harm is it.

I don't recall anyone saying anything bad about Wigan?

Hello.... George Orwell

He just told it as it was.

tonker
Ref:
Collins Gem English Dictionary.
Grave adj n.hole for burying a corpse.---gravestone n. stone marking a grave.-graveyard n. cemetery.

Oxford English Text Dictionary .....

Cemetery: n A place, not being a churchyard, used for burying of the dead.

Tonker theres an estate in Platt Bridge with quite a few Liverpooooolers on, its called the welmar as in welmar homes, house prices in Liverpool used to be very high and some people could buy a brand new house in Ashton, Platt Bridge well anywhere in Wigan for a lot less than in Liverpool and only be a half hour drive from Liverpool so you can't say there ain't many scousers in Ashton because i used to work with some of them, also the guy who played Jack in Bread lived in Ashton, and i currently work with a very decent bloke from Dingle who lives in St. Helens and he's very proud of his roots, before you asked why he moved his wife is from St. Helens. Oh and don't recall anything bad being said about Wigan, you just called it crap.

It is. Comparatively.

"Pray tell tonker."
Do you have pride in Lancashire?

L.O.L

I can't say that I have any 'pride' in a particular town, or county for that matter. All have their good and bad bits.

Have to agree about the good and bad bits, every county and city has em, but not to have pride in Wigan and how much it has developed as a town is for me impossible, but thats jusy my opinion, i am a realist and i don't go on holidays and preach how good Wigan is like some people do, but over the last 20 years or so Wigan has become a lot more popular for lots of different reasons. Do you think this is good or bad for our town and surrounding areas?

Sorry, by that i mean jobs, local economy, tourism and quality of life

Most industry has gone. A lot of Wigan residents have found work out of Wigan.
Wigans 'economy' is only healthy due to the extortionate council taxes collected from far outlying areas like Golborne, Lowton, Atherton and parts of Salford. Places where the residents have never been to Wigan and have no interest in it, but who get nothing back from the greedy council who squander their taxes on Wigan alone.
Tourism ???? You're having a laugh?
Quality of life, anywhere, is artificially subsidised by Credit / Debt.

Ask me another.

"I have a question for you tonker."
Is there something about Wigan that upsets you?"

Tell you something , I have always believed wiganers to be friendly, as I am myself, but so far I have my messages rubbished twice by tonker, when I reply ....someone else jumps to his defence!
I don't like seeing parts of our borough rubbished by the self rightious and self opinionated among us.My cup is always half full I think ALL of us can find something good about ALL the areas of wigan borough.If not keep the nasy jibes to yourself.

wigan is not a crap town, i dont see why people want to call it and put us down, yes every place can have there bad parts but there still no need to call the whole town, unless you have lived here all your life or been here for a few years you realy cant put a veiw on how it is.

Ask you another, you don't actually believe your own stuff do ya ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ... class tonker, pure class. any way im off to "work" now, will have to continue this soap opera tomoz, thank you and good night.

P.S Yea its a great shame about the industry, unemployment has never been as high has it? perhaps they should re-open all the pits oh and the workhouse.

Right, you lot, let's get it right. Get off your high horses, brush the chips off your shoulders and read this...
I don't dislike Wigan.
I don't dislike Wigan People.
I don't dislike the way Wigan people talk.
I think Wigan people are, generally, very friendly.
I don't make 'nasty jibes', or 'rubbish' peoples posts. I only give my opinion.

Now then, It is 'my opinion' that Wigan is a place called Wigan. It's about five miles from my house, but it starts about three, where the sign says WIGAN. I live in Ashton, not Wigan, and cannot understand why some people say they live in Wigan when they clearly don't. To those who do live in Wigan, I also don't understand what there is to be proud of, because Wigan has got nothing that other towns haven't got. A lot of you only think the way you do because you've never had the need to go anywhere else, it's called 'small town mind'.

small town mind......well I lived abroad for 16 years, then moved back to WIGAN borough.I lived in Germany most of it, I've also lived in in wilts a few years and Ireland.I have socialised with high and low, even sat and had a natter with Princess Ann at one point. So wrong you are Tonker. Maybe if your comments were diluted with a few good manners they would be a bit more palatable.

I find your remarks quite insulting, Tonker. Just because I never lived anywhere other than the town I was born in - ie Wigan - does not mean to say I have 'small town mind' syndrome, or that I am not well informed about the world. Living in more than one place does not necessarily broaden your mind or alter your mind-set either and it certainly doesnt make you better than anyone else.

I would love, however, to have the opportunity to sample living away from my home town, but finances and practicalities make that impossible, but my reasons are not to rid myself of the perils of 'small town syndrome'. It is simply a desire for different surroundings and better climbs.

I am the Wigan version of a cockney if you like, as I was born a few yards from Wigan Pier in the Coffee House, Wallgate, the equivalent of bow bells.

My mother was a mill girl, as was I and my father was a canal boatman before going in the pit. I do not however, wear a shawl and cloggs and suck a clay pipe. I have an Honours degree and manage a busy office.

I agree that if I lived anywhere other than central Wigan, such as Ashton, I would probably say that I live in Ashton, but Ashton is part of the Wigan borough whether you like it or not and that my friend makes you a Wiganer.

As for pride, yes I am proud to be a Wiganer and I am proud of my country. It is time we brought some patriotism back into this country. I am not a royalist, but I am loyal to my country and to my home town. This is what is often lacking in our community it is what binds us together, rather than live as individuals, just happening to be using the same spot of land.

Beautifully written dark horse.My mum was born in a street by the pier somewhere, she doesn't wear clogs anymore either hehehe.My nans family were bargees too, I think my great uncles piccy was put on some souvenirs a few years ago.
Makes me wonder why some wiganers stay if the place is supposed to be so bad. Personally I love it here, but I make the most of its best bits, I am taking my kids to mesnes park tomorrow,to rub the toe , just like I did as a kid.

Dark Horse, like I said earlier, get that chip off your shoulder and read, and understand, what I say. I have never put anyone from Wigan down. I do not insinuate cloth cap and clogs wearing, nor shawl and clay pipe. I don't accuse you of chewing tobacco, having no teeth, using dollytub and mangle, tin bath, or anything that seems to be in your subconsious mind. That sort of image died years ago and is only kept alive by people, like yourself, who bring it up to attack anyone who gives their opinion about Wigan. And please, don't tell me where I live. I am aware that Ashton, amongst many other places, is actually in the Borough of Wigan but it is not Wigan, as Astley, at the other end of the borough, is in Salford and as Belfast is not in England even though it comes under English rule.

Hello Dark Horse.This is getting off the subject i know but i have to ask you this question.You put a photo of your father on the other forum and i am think i recognise him.Did he come from Higher Ince.

Gater, he came from ince, but |I think lower ince. Albert Street. He was actually born in Wallgate but moved to ince in his teens.

As for you tonker, insulting once again. Dont accuse me of not reading properly what you have written. You say you don't attack anyone, well suggesting people might have 'small town' syndrome is an attack to me.

It is the inference as much as words. Also don't dare try to tell me what is going on in my own mind. You have no right to tell me I store things about Wigan in there with which to attack people. Unlike you, I strive not to attack anyone. I may argue my case and defend myself, but attack, no. I have not nor have I ever had a chip on my shoulder about anything. You cannot accuse people of 'small town' attitude and not expect them to defend themselves.

Anyway, return some other insult, I would expect no less of your vile attitude. However, it will not get a response from me, however vicious as I refuse to rise any further to your unkind and unwarranted comments that are degenerating into personal attacks.

Thanks Empress. A number of my relatives came from Wallgate and my ole fella's too. Swan Street area. Youre lucky to have souvenir pictures. Sadly I have none of my dad on the boats. He and my grandfather worked together, I think for the Wigan Coal and Iron co. When the boats finished he had to go in the pit. He did 39 yrs and disliked every day of it. He always regarded himself as a boatman. Strangely, despite his whole life on the boats, my grandad couldnt swim!

They say 'the best form of defence is attack', but only if you are incapable of defending in an educated and civilised manner.

I don't know why George Orwell gets brought up when talking about Wigan. If you check your facts, he only bad mouthed Wigan and never had a good word to say about it.

Hello Tonker. Do give my regards to the Scuttler (if you're not one and the same)! Incidentally, from my own personal point of view, I have never and never will be a Greater Mancunian. I am a Wiganner and a Lancashire lass and I'm not interested in what petty local Governments do to keep themselves occupied. Just leave Lancashire alone I says.

Stop picking on women Tonker, go and and pick on a fella, go on i dare you. I doubt you will.

Methinks Tonker is Scuttler, or at least a close relative because his diatribe is very similar. Notwithstanding Tonker, you live in WN4 - WN stands for Wigan! End of!

As I've said before, it's just a postcode. A good section of Wigan borough has the WA (Warrington) postcode, M (Manchester) or BL (Bolton). Your only, actually, in Wigan when you see the Wigan sign.

Can't seem to find Ashton world on the net, perhaps someone should give up a bit of their spare time and start one, it would have to be someone very wise about where ashton starts and Wigan begins.........i know tonker, what an interesting site it would be.

It's called 'Ashton Comunity Forum'. Not the same standard as Wiganworld though.

Well i did'nt look really, naughty me.