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Started by: disco_diva (inactive)

always have to be the butt end of jokes with out of towners?
I love Wigan and feel that it has a lot going for it. There has been alot of progress these past few years. Some places in the U.K really are in a state but Wigan is really on the up. I feel so anyway.
We are not all flat caps and whippets.

Started: 19th Aug 2006 at 14:05

Posted by: neverstill (inactive)

some one famous once said.... it doesnt matter if they are bad mouthing me aslong as they are talking about me!.....i feel the same about wigan, we may be the butt of all jokes, but we are mentioned in a few Carry On films not many towns can say that!.....people only talk about what they are interested in!!

Replied: 20th Aug 2006 at 06:38

Posted by: christi (206)

Wigan has also been mentioned by George Orwell and George Formby (We made them money didn't we) I am a born Wiganer and though I have travelled around I am always so glad to come home. Wigan is a place to be proud of and will always be in my heart.

Replied: 20th Aug 2006 at 08:12

Posted by: disco_diva (inactive)

Neverstill, yes people do only talk about what is interesting so Wigan must be a good topic of conversation.
Christi, no matter where you travel it is always good to come home.
I think George Formby was fond of Wigan but George Orwell did paint a bleak image of the town but at the time life was a lot tougher than today for people. I wish that he could come and look at the place now. Fair enough its not the poshest place in the world but it has improved and you cant beat a Wiganer for their sense of humour.

Replied: 20th Aug 2006 at 12:24

Posted by: busy bee (631)

well i love wigan maybe not some of the changes that have taken place but it is still home.the thing that drives me mad is that everyone thinks all we eat is pies.well i very rarely eat them.so because of that is it true that everyone in blackpool only eat rock i don,t think so.another thing is how many wiganers have ever been in the parish church just to have a look round it is a beautiful place and i must admit i never went to wigan pier to look round there.

Replied: 20th Aug 2006 at 15:33

Posted by: empress (9667) 

HEHEH pals of ours came over from middlesborough a few months ago. We weren't in as they arrived early, we found them sat in the Bucks Head at Abram, merry as hell and they had chatted to half the pub, we later took them into ashton........last words as they left were...."we want to live here and have Mad Jacks as our local" Tell them foreigners to come try wigan for themselves, I'm proud to be a pie eater, Grimshaws are the best too!

Replied: 20th Aug 2006 at 15:47

Posted by: dave marsh (inactive)

I left school in 1958 and went to work in Manchester where my Wigan accent was a huge joke.I took it on the chin and soon discovered that Mancunians were as big hearted as the rest of us Northeners and I had several happy years as an honorary Mancunian.

Replied: 20th Aug 2006 at 15:58

Posted by: tonker (25132) 

So, Empress, your Middlesbrough friends got to see the Bucks Head in Abram and then you took them to Ashton. If you're so proud of Wigan, you should have taken them there instead. Are Grimshaws pies any better than ones you get in Wigan?

Replied: 20th Aug 2006 at 18:25

Posted by: disco_diva (inactive)

Empress, i bet your friends had a good time. You cant beat Wigan hospitality.
When Wigan played Newcastle at home last season,after the match the Geordies had a good old ball in town. I heard one guy who had found some digs for the weekend say he had had a fantastic time in Wigan. There was alot of good natured fun and banter between both set of fans.
Never tried Grimshaws pies. My lot eat Galloways although im partial to Waterfields or Greenhalghs.

Replied: 20th Aug 2006 at 22:00

Posted by: r douglas (1)

People only take the mickey or criticse things that are either worth joking about, or things that they are jealous off. In some cases it's because of ignorance.

Think in Wigan's case it's all 3 and it makes us the place that we are.

Let um keep calling us!

Replied: 20th Aug 2006 at 22:17

Posted by: empress (9667) 

Well Tonker aint Abram part of the wigan borough? I call myself a wigganer yet am from Bryn originally.

Replied: 20th Aug 2006 at 22:50

Posted by: tonker (25132) 

There are signs to tell you when you get to Wigan. I only class Wigan as being Wigan. If you want to be a Wiganer, go and live in Wigan. Or why not tell everyone you are a Manc. seeing as you are in Greater Manchester?

Replied: 20th Aug 2006 at 22:58
Last edited by tonker: 20th Aug 2006 at 23:00:31

Posted by: empress (9667) 

I am a wigganer and proud, sorry if that disapoints you tonker.

Replied: 20th Aug 2006 at 23:05

Posted by: disco_diva (inactive)

The WIGAN BOROUGH means exactly that.Ashton, Bryn, Scholes, Abram, Platt Bridge,etc.., we are Wiganers where ever we live in the Wigan Borough.

Replied: 20th Aug 2006 at 23:33

Posted by: empress (9667) 

Well said diva, not all of us can be born on the town hall steps

Replied: 20th Aug 2006 at 23:36

Posted by: disco_diva (inactive)

I know what Empress all of us Wiganers not born on the Town Hall steps all get together, go to the Town Hall and say " according to Tonker from WiganWorld because we are not residents in central Wigan we are there for not Wiganers so we are not eligble to pay council tax.I wonder what reaction we would get?

Replied: 21st Aug 2006 at 00:08

Posted by: zoe24 (2272) 

im a born wiganer, n i love it, we even got our own monopley board, i dont think i could move away from wigan..a friend of mine who is not from here takes the mik out of our accent but all in good fun. i am very proud of my accent n were i come from. it also makes me laugh when people say we eat the pies

Replied: 21st Aug 2006 at 12:30

Posted by: (inactive)

"Is that tonker grumbling again?"

Replied: 21st Aug 2006 at 13:19

Posted by: tonker (25132) 

I don't 'take the Mick', I don't dislike Wigan, or Wiganers, and I'm not talking about 'central' Wigan either, just Wigan. All I say is that Wigan is a place, clearly marked, as it has always been. I just don't understand why people from other towns insist on trying to be a Wiganer when they clearly are not. Other places are in the 'Borough' of Wigan, yes, but that is purely for administration purposes. Would you call yourself a Leigher if Leigh had been appointed the borough capital town? If you all turn your backs on the small towns and villages that you do belong to, the names of them had may as well be dropped and everywhere will be Wigan. If that happened, nowhere else would have anything, facility wise, because Wigan would bleed all the funds dry for their own ends. They do a good job of fleecing the rest of the borough towns as it is, every town has to fund Wigan whether they like it or not.

Replied: 21st Aug 2006 at 13:28

Posted by: antontrip (240) 

Replied: 21st Aug 2006 at 13:43

Posted by: empress (9667) 

When I was a kid, before they made us greater manchester , my adress contained the lines, BRYN, WIGAN, LANCS.
Wigan loud and proud, also proud of Bryn it raised me well enough.
Its not a matter of dropping our towns /villages etc.Your just being picky!

Replied: 21st Aug 2006 at 14:12

Posted by: fishy123 (inactive)

PIE EATERS

Replied: 21st Aug 2006 at 14:40

Posted by: antontrip (240) 

"Make mine a Meat and Potato."

Replied: 21st Aug 2006 at 14:44
Last edited by antontrip: 21st Aug 2006 at 19:16:20

Posted by: disco_diva (inactive)

I think what it is with everyone including me Tonker, you have touched a raw nerve. No matter where we come from in Wigan we are all very loyal to the ties that bind.

Replied: 21st Aug 2006 at 16:44

Posted by: tonker (25132) 

I don't come from Wigan. I live in Ashton, my postcode is WN4. Nearest town is St.Helens, but I never go, Wigan neither, they're both crap. Garswood is under St.Helens council. Golborne is under Wigan council. Most Garswooders think they live near Wigan. Golborne is traditionally a Warrington outskirt town, postcode WA, Lowton too. Who would want to forsake their home town to say they are a Wiganer? They must be Maaaaaad!

Replied: 21st Aug 2006 at 17:18

Posted by: antontrip (240) 

I once lived in Ashton,near the cemetary, and used to drink in the crossed keys.
"The Pub was a dump and so was the Town."

Replied: 21st Aug 2006 at 17:37

Posted by: empress (9667) 

Its picked up since you left anton....

Replied: 21st Aug 2006 at 17:41

Posted by: tonker (25132) 

There is no Cemetery in Ashton. Do you mean Ashton Under Lyne?

Apart from that, I agree with you, Anton. It's not got much going for it.

Replied: 21st Aug 2006 at 17:46
Last edited by tonker: 21st Aug 2006 at 17:48:40

Posted by: empress (9667) 

St Oswalds and St Thomases have cemetries.

Replied: 21st Aug 2006 at 17:55

Posted by: empress (9667) 

Well I hope they do........either that or my dads buried in the vicars lawn....

Replied: 21st Aug 2006 at 17:57

Posted by: antontrip (240) 

Could have been tonker.
"It was 17 years ago."
But as I remember at the time,I used to catch the Ashton bus from Wigan and get off at the last stop.
The Cross Keys was just across the road from the bus stop,my house backed on to a large graveyard,which was about 5 mins walk from the Cross Keys.

Replied: 21st Aug 2006 at 17:58
Last edited by antontrip: 21st Aug 2006 at 17:59:15

Posted by: disco_diva (inactive)

There is nothing wrong with Ashton.Ashton has alot of history too it. Did you know that the two main high schools always do well in performance league tables. Also its difficult to get your child in there, so many people are actually moving into Ashton for this reason.Also, St Oswalds, what a beautiful church.

Replied: 21st Aug 2006 at 18:02

Posted by: empress (9667) 

St Oswalds church is steepd in history, St Edmund Arrowsmiths hand is kept there in a side altar and thats just for starters.
Ashton is also a good night out thesedays, some nice pubs and bars.A great little shopping centre too.

Replied: 21st Aug 2006 at 18:04

Posted by: cab75 (96) 

Ain't Ashton full o scousers? Not that i mind scousers but it seems to me that tonker says sommat and you lot all bite straight away, i bet he sits alone laughing at you all thinking like him you've got nowt better to do than heckle people having an innocent chat! p.s don't gi a monkeys what anyone says about Wigan, its not like its done us any harm is it.

Replied: 21st Aug 2006 at 18:36

Posted by: cab75 (96) 

p.p.s nice one antontrip!

Replied: 21st Aug 2006 at 18:40

Posted by: tonker (25132) 

Empress .... A 'Church Graveyard' is NOT a 'Cemetery'. Do you Wiganers really know nowt?

Anton got it right that time. His house could have backed onto a graveyard. But not a cemetery, because Ashton hasn't got one.

Replied: 21st Aug 2006 at 18:48
Last edited by tonker: 21st Aug 2006 at 19:01:39

Posted by: tonker (25132) 

No Cab75, The 'Liverpoooooleerrrrrs' are in Garswood and Winstanley. Heres one to think about. You know how everybody from the surrounding towns and villages all want to say they're a Wiganer, well, your Liverpooler always says, "No", "I'm not from Liverpool, I'm from Huyton / Prescott / Bootle / Whiston / Crosby" etc.. Anywhere but Liverpool.


... p.s don't gi a monkeys what anyone says about Wigan, its not like its done us any harm is it.

I don't recall anyone saying anything bad about Wigan?

Replied: 21st Aug 2006 at 18:58
Last edited by tonker: 21st Aug 2006 at 19:05:51

Posted by: cab75 (96) 

Hello.... George Orwell

Replied: 21st Aug 2006 at 19:05

Posted by: tonker (25132) 

He just told it as it was.

Replied: 21st Aug 2006 at 19:06

Posted by: antontrip (240) 

tonker
Ref:
Collins Gem English Dictionary.
Grave adj n.hole for burying a corpse.---gravestone n. stone marking a grave.-graveyard n. cemetery.

Replied: 21st Aug 2006 at 19:11
Last edited by antontrip: 21st Aug 2006 at 19:14:42

Posted by: tonker (25132) 

Oxford English Text Dictionary .....

Cemetery: n A place, not being a churchyard, used for burying of the dead.

Replied: 21st Aug 2006 at 19:16

Posted by: cab75 (96) 

Tonker theres an estate in Platt Bridge with quite a few Liverpooooolers on, its called the welmar as in welmar homes, house prices in Liverpool used to be very high and some people could buy a brand new house in Ashton, Platt Bridge well anywhere in Wigan for a lot less than in Liverpool and only be a half hour drive from Liverpool so you can't say there ain't many scousers in Ashton because i used to work with some of them, also the guy who played Jack in Bread lived in Ashton, and i currently work with a very decent bloke from Dingle who lives in St. Helens and he's very proud of his roots, before you asked why he moved his wife is from St. Helens. Oh and don't recall anything bad being said about Wigan, you just called it crap.

Replied: 21st Aug 2006 at 19:19

Posted by: tonker (25132) 

It is. Comparatively.

Replied: 21st Aug 2006 at 19:24

Posted by: antontrip (240) 

"Pray tell tonker."
Do you have pride in Lancashire?

Replied: 21st Aug 2006 at 19:27

Posted by: cab75 (96) 

L.O.L

Replied: 21st Aug 2006 at 19:28

Posted by: tonker (25132) 

I can't say that I have any 'pride' in a particular town, or county for that matter. All have their good and bad bits.

Replied: 21st Aug 2006 at 19:30

Posted by: cab75 (96) 

Have to agree about the good and bad bits, every county and city has em, but not to have pride in Wigan and how much it has developed as a town is for me impossible, but thats jusy my opinion, i am a realist and i don't go on holidays and preach how good Wigan is like some people do, but over the last 20 years or so Wigan has become a lot more popular for lots of different reasons. Do you think this is good or bad for our town and surrounding areas?

Replied: 21st Aug 2006 at 19:39

Posted by: cab75 (96) 

Sorry, by that i mean jobs, local economy, tourism and quality of life

Replied: 21st Aug 2006 at 19:41

Posted by: tonker (25132) 

Most industry has gone. A lot of Wigan residents have found work out of Wigan.
Wigans 'economy' is only healthy due to the extortionate council taxes collected from far outlying areas like Golborne, Lowton, Atherton and parts of Salford. Places where the residents have never been to Wigan and have no interest in it, but who get nothing back from the greedy council who squander their taxes on Wigan alone.
Tourism ???? You're having a laugh?
Quality of life, anywhere, is artificially subsidised by Credit / Debt.

Ask me another.

Replied: 21st Aug 2006 at 20:01

Posted by: antontrip (240) 

"I have a question for you tonker."
Is there something about Wigan that upsets you?"

Replied: 21st Aug 2006 at 20:31

Posted by: empress (9667) 

Tell you something , I have always believed wiganers to be friendly, as I am myself, but so far I have my messages rubbished twice by tonker, when I reply ....someone else jumps to his defence!
I don't like seeing parts of our borough rubbished by the self rightious and self opinionated among us.My cup is always half full I think ALL of us can find something good about ALL the areas of wigan borough.If not keep the nasy jibes to yourself.

Replied: 21st Aug 2006 at 20:40

Posted by: zoe24 (2272) 

wigan is not a crap town, i dont see why people want to call it and put us down, yes every place can have there bad parts but there still no need to call the whole town, unless you have lived here all your life or been here for a few years you realy cant put a veiw on how it is.

Replied: 21st Aug 2006 at 22:20

Posted by: cab75 (96) 

Ask you another, you don't actually believe your own stuff do ya ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ... class tonker, pure class. any way im off to "work" now, will have to continue this soap opera tomoz, thank you and good night.

Replied: 21st Aug 2006 at 22:43

Posted by: cab75 (96) 

P.S Yea its a great shame about the industry, unemployment has never been as high has it? perhaps they should re-open all the pits oh and the workhouse.

Replied: 21st Aug 2006 at 22:45

Posted by: tonker (25132) 

Right, you lot, let's get it right. Get off your high horses, brush the chips off your shoulders and read this...
I don't dislike Wigan.
I don't dislike Wigan People.
I don't dislike the way Wigan people talk.
I think Wigan people are, generally, very friendly.
I don't make 'nasty jibes', or 'rubbish' peoples posts. I only give my opinion.

Now then, It is 'my opinion' that Wigan is a place called Wigan. It's about five miles from my house, but it starts about three, where the sign says WIGAN. I live in Ashton, not Wigan, and cannot understand why some people say they live in Wigan when they clearly don't. To those who do live in Wigan, I also don't understand what there is to be proud of, because Wigan has got nothing that other towns haven't got. A lot of you only think the way you do because you've never had the need to go anywhere else, it's called 'small town mind'.


Replied: 22nd Aug 2006 at 13:50

Posted by: empress (9667) 

small town mind......well I lived abroad for 16 years, then moved back to WIGAN borough.I lived in Germany most of it, I've also lived in in wilts a few years and Ireland.I have socialised with high and low, even sat and had a natter with Princess Ann at one point. So wrong you are Tonker. Maybe if your comments were diluted with a few good manners they would be a bit more palatable.

Replied: 23rd Aug 2006 at 11:15

Posted by: dark horse (295) 

I find your remarks quite insulting, Tonker. Just because I never lived anywhere other than the town I was born in - ie Wigan - does not mean to say I have 'small town mind' syndrome, or that I am not well informed about the world. Living in more than one place does not necessarily broaden your mind or alter your mind-set either and it certainly doesnt make you better than anyone else.

I would love, however, to have the opportunity to sample living away from my home town, but finances and practicalities make that impossible, but my reasons are not to rid myself of the perils of 'small town syndrome'. It is simply a desire for different surroundings and better climbs.

I am the Wigan version of a cockney if you like, as I was born a few yards from Wigan Pier in the Coffee House, Wallgate, the equivalent of bow bells.

My mother was a mill girl, as was I and my father was a canal boatman before going in the pit. I do not however, wear a shawl and cloggs and suck a clay pipe. I have an Honours degree and manage a busy office.

I agree that if I lived anywhere other than central Wigan, such as Ashton, I would probably say that I live in Ashton, but Ashton is part of the Wigan borough whether you like it or not and that my friend makes you a Wiganer.

As for pride, yes I am proud to be a Wiganer and I am proud of my country. It is time we brought some patriotism back into this country. I am not a royalist, but I am loyal to my country and to my home town. This is what is often lacking in our community it is what binds us together, rather than live as individuals, just happening to be using the same spot of land.

Replied: 23rd Aug 2006 at 13:22

Posted by: empress (9667) 

Beautifully written dark horse.My mum was born in a street by the pier somewhere, she doesn't wear clogs anymore either hehehe.My nans family were bargees too, I think my great uncles piccy was put on some souvenirs a few years ago.
Makes me wonder why some wiganers stay if the place is supposed to be so bad. Personally I love it here, but I make the most of its best bits, I am taking my kids to mesnes park tomorrow,to rub the toe , just like I did as a kid.

Replied: 23rd Aug 2006 at 13:50

Posted by: tonker (25132) 

Dark Horse, like I said earlier, get that chip off your shoulder and read, and understand, what I say. I have never put anyone from Wigan down. I do not insinuate cloth cap and clogs wearing, nor shawl and clay pipe. I don't accuse you of chewing tobacco, having no teeth, using dollytub and mangle, tin bath, or anything that seems to be in your subconsious mind. That sort of image died years ago and is only kept alive by people, like yourself, who bring it up to attack anyone who gives their opinion about Wigan. And please, don't tell me where I live. I am aware that Ashton, amongst many other places, is actually in the Borough of Wigan but it is not Wigan, as Astley, at the other end of the borough, is in Salford and as Belfast is not in England even though it comes under English rule.

Replied: 23rd Aug 2006 at 14:06

Posted by: gater (165)

Hello Dark Horse.This is getting off the subject i know but i have to ask you this question.You put a photo of your father on the other forum and i am think i recognise him.Did he come from Higher Ince.

Replied: 23rd Aug 2006 at 16:42

Posted by: dark horse (295) 

Gater, he came from ince, but |I think lower ince. Albert Street. He was actually born in Wallgate but moved to ince in his teens.

As for you tonker, insulting once again. Dont accuse me of not reading properly what you have written. You say you don't attack anyone, well suggesting people might have 'small town' syndrome is an attack to me.

It is the inference as much as words. Also don't dare try to tell me what is going on in my own mind. You have no right to tell me I store things about Wigan in there with which to attack people. Unlike you, I strive not to attack anyone. I may argue my case and defend myself, but attack, no. I have not nor have I ever had a chip on my shoulder about anything. You cannot accuse people of 'small town' attitude and not expect them to defend themselves.

Anyway, return some other insult, I would expect no less of your vile attitude. However, it will not get a response from me, however vicious as I refuse to rise any further to your unkind and unwarranted comments that are degenerating into personal attacks.

Replied: 24th Aug 2006 at 11:08
Last edited by dark horse: 24th Aug 2006 at 11:22:49

Posted by: dark horse (295) 

Thanks Empress. A number of my relatives came from Wallgate and my ole fella's too. Swan Street area. Youre lucky to have souvenir pictures. Sadly I have none of my dad on the boats. He and my grandfather worked together, I think for the Wigan Coal and Iron co. When the boats finished he had to go in the pit. He did 39 yrs and disliked every day of it. He always regarded himself as a boatman. Strangely, despite his whole life on the boats, my grandad couldnt swim!

Replied: 24th Aug 2006 at 11:12

Posted by: tonker (25132) 

They say 'the best form of defence is attack', but only if you are incapable of defending in an educated and civilised manner.

Replied: 24th Aug 2006 at 11:18

Posted by: mollie m (6452) 

I don't know why George Orwell gets brought up when talking about Wigan. If you check your facts, he only bad mouthed Wigan and never had a good word to say about it.

Hello Tonker. Do give my regards to the Scuttler (if you're not one and the same)! Incidentally, from my own personal point of view, I have never and never will be a Greater Mancunian. I am a Wiganner and a Lancashire lass and I'm not interested in what petty local Governments do to keep themselves occupied. Just leave Lancashire alone I says.

Replied: 24th Aug 2006 at 16:22

Posted by: disco_diva (inactive)

Stop picking on women Tonker, go and and pick on a fella, go on i dare you. I doubt you will.

Replied: 24th Aug 2006 at 16:46

Posted by: mollie m (6452) 

Methinks Tonker is Scuttler, or at least a close relative because his diatribe is very similar. Notwithstanding Tonker, you live in WN4 - WN stands for Wigan! End of!

Replied: 24th Aug 2006 at 19:26

Posted by: tonker (25132) 

As I've said before, it's just a postcode. A good section of Wigan borough has the WA (Warrington) postcode, M (Manchester) or BL (Bolton). Your only, actually, in Wigan when you see the Wigan sign.

Replied: 24th Aug 2006 at 20:08

Posted by: cab75 (96) 

Can't seem to find Ashton world on the net, perhaps someone should give up a bit of their spare time and start one, it would have to be someone very wise about where ashton starts and Wigan begins.........i know tonker, what an interesting site it would be.

Replied: 31st Aug 2006 at 00:11

Posted by: tonker (25132) 

It's called 'Ashton Comunity Forum'. Not the same standard as Wiganworld though.

Replied: 31st Aug 2006 at 00:22

Posted by: cab75 (96) 

Well i did'nt look really, naughty me.

Replied: 31st Aug 2006 at 14:31

 

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