The Galleries Redevelopment
'ALL' of The Galleries as built in the 1980s will be demolished, which of course will include the central bit with the big clock, escalators and scenic lifts, and the Clock Tower on the corner of the present Market Hall, all will be gone, knocked down, and the underground service area will be filled in with the demolition rubble.
And replaced with flats
There are proposals to build a cinema, hotel and pavilion at the top end of the present Galleries, and the Market Hall will be moved into the old Marketgate, which was built in the early 1970s
Started: 22nd May 2021 at 17:13
Last edited by Tommy Two Stroke: 22nd May 2021 at 17:57:44
P*** up in a brewery come to mind..... Wigan Council want flogging.
Replied: 22nd May 2021 at 21:04
What else can the council do with this areaWhen the grand arcade was built the galleries became a white elephant with units that were never let and it became a ghost town. If they keep losing units in the grand arcade then this also will have to have a total rethink also. King st was a shopping zone then it became a dive full of overpriced boozers and looks in a sorry state of disrepair also they tried to spruce up the area around the railway stations and failed with that. So something has to be done or Wigan town centre will be nothing but boarded up shops
Replied: 22nd May 2021 at 22:25
Parking is shocking in Wigan, much easier to go elsewhere, free parking on out of town retail parks, no wonder the units are empty, no customers.
Replied: 22nd May 2021 at 23:57
All Town Centres that charge for parking will struggle to be "regenerated" including Wigan. It will be interesting to see if the new "housing" within this new plan attracts any interest. I'll bet the prices are high, as will be the Council Tax! Can't see a small town like Wigan attracting many "Town Centre dwellers" as many people are moving out of city and town areas .
I forecast another "White elephant"! (but I hope not!)
Replied: 23rd May 2021 at 12:46
464 New homes. Giving people the opportunity to live and work in Wigan Town Centre.
I'm just at a loss at what kind of work there is In Wigan town centre to warrant the housing build.
Replied: 23rd May 2021 at 12:52
This council should all hang their heads in utter shame ,are you trying to tell me they are acting in the best interest's of all wigan's rate payer's
I DEFINATLY THINK NOT ,they should all be sacked ..G.B.
Replied: 23rd May 2021 at 13:18
Here Here G. B.
Replied: 23rd May 2021 at 13:22
I will tell you what it is, and that is that it is 'Over The Top' (OTT) because in the first place in the 1980s, building a shopping centre the size of The Galleries, for a town the size of Wigan, was 'Over The Top' it should have been built about a third of the size, and built around a new Market Hall, not shoving the new Market Hall in the corner, out of the way.
And now they are doing it again, in building loads of flats, which no one will want to live in, so it is the 'Over The Top' thing again.
Replied: 23rd May 2021 at 13:31
Last edited by Tommy Two Stroke: 23rd May 2021 at 13:35:17
The housing accomodation may be aimed at trying to attract new people to move to Wigan whom work out of town. Wigan town centre is a good base to live for commuting to Manchester, Liverpool, Midlands, London etc where the City centre property may be less affordable.
Just my opinion.
We'll have to wait and see what develops. Please excuse the pun!
Replied: 23rd May 2021 at 13:33
Last edited by cheshirecat: 23rd May 2021 at 13:35:42
Society and trends change over time, its a never ending cycle. Town centres across the country are in in decline and dragging local economies down with them. The problem wont fix itself and it seems to be a difficult concept for many to grasp.
Replied: 23rd May 2021 at 15:01
It looks as though the Galleries car park will go. I see on the plan that there are what appear to be sizeable blocks of flats, will there be parking facilities for their occupants ?
Replied: 23rd May 2021 at 17:23
"240 car parking spaces for residents and 220 spaces for those using the retail and leisure facilities. 90 new cycle parking spaces for those using the leisure facilities. 464 cycle parking spaces for residents."
From the link.
Replied: 23rd May 2021 at 18:01
More cycle parking spaces than car parking spaces.
I'll give them credit for that
Replied: 23rd May 2021 at 18:11
I think the references to the car parking, will mean the existing car parks in and around the town centre, because there is simply just not the space for a car park of that size there, even if they used to present underground service area of The Galleries, even down there you would be struggling to park more than about 50 cars.
It is just crap.
Drivel of the highest order.
It is another Terry Dunn, Garlic Bread moment from Wigan Council.
I am sure they could come up with a better plan for the place than the one proposed.
Replied: 23rd May 2021 at 18:37
We used to have a belting market hall with a huge car park right next to it. It was simple, it worked, no-one i knew wanted it flattened. Roll on another 30 years and i can see it being flattened again as a result of another wigan council failure. If i am to move again it won't be Wigan borough. Chorley, Bury, Ormskirk have much better town centres.
Replied: 23rd May 2021 at 19:02
Why don't they use the underground area as a Parking lot Instead of filling it in???
But its down to the Wigan people who voted them all back in a couple of weeks ago and have done for the past 50 years
Replied: 23rd May 2021 at 20:33
I agree Ron and I have given up hope on my home town. I remember being at Bluecoats school wiv windows open trying to doo A level French exam, hot as hek summer doing exams with this massive metal battering ram building the galleries foundations. U could hear the pounding at the Cherries.
Replied: 23rd May 2021 at 22:39
They will be using the galleries basement for parking when the accommodation is built, it will be quite easy to get a lot of vehicles in there the underground runs under mkt hall and Morrisons old unit upto woodcock sq.
Replied: 24th May 2021 at 00:17
I don't think so
Replied: 24th May 2021 at 00:23
Tommy, what reason do you think that they would fill it in and loose that vast amount of space.
Replied: 24th May 2021 at 00:37
Trouble with the galleries as it is now there are far too many empty units. You've not only got empty units there but you've got quite a few in Mesnes street as well. I don't agree with a cinema going there as there is one down robin park. We could do with another supermarket in the town centre though.
Replied: 24th May 2021 at 08:46
Last edited by scorpion: 24th May 2021 at 19:36:13
You are not going to get 460 cars down there, you are not even going to get 240 cars down there, and the cost of converting the service area into an up to date underground car park, with lifts and staircases, and safety equipment, all would have to be new, the cost would be astronomical.
A look at the service area under The Galleries, courtesy of Mick Byrne, who I miss very much on these message boards
The Galleries do need to be redeveloped, and put in a few flats there, but don't cram it full of flats.
Replied: 24th May 2021 at 12:26
Good video that Thanks for posting it. Ive never seen under there before, only the entrance on Market Street. But surely there must be lifts / other exits under there already in situ? Ive seen very, very big delivery wagons going in an out of there for example, wagons with the Home Bargains B&M livery. Ive never ever seen anyone come out pushing a cage full of goods to restock the shelves? Home Bargains is a fair way from that Market Street entrance so how do they transfer the goods from the underground basement to the shops
Replied: 24th May 2021 at 14:00
Cheshirecat, the galleries have 8 goods lifts and 6 stairwells leading to all floors from the basement, 5 of the stores have their own lifts.
Replied: 24th May 2021 at 14:17
Last edited by bambam: 24th May 2021 at 14:21:17
They cannot demolish The Galleries and leave the lift shafts and staircases in situ, I think that them converting the underground service area, into a car park is a none starter, but I suppose that we will just have to wait and see
Replied: 24th May 2021 at 14:41
I'm with bambam on this one.
I think it may be utilised for something else as opposed to "filling in"
Replied: 24th May 2021 at 17:39
How is it that Wigan Council use a foreign company as a partner for this redevelopment. Surely it would be far preferable in these tough economic times to use a company much nearer to home rather than let development profit depart our shores.
Replied: 24th May 2021 at 19:05
Because the foreign (China) company are going to pay for it
Replied: 24th May 2021 at 19:08
TTS What do you think should happen to the Marketgate Shopping Centre? It's been in the cards for it to be the market for a while now even before this development was announced.
I think it would be good for the stallholders. Where Index used to be that could be a restaurant/cafe area.
Replied: 24th May 2021 at 19:35
I agree, I think if it is done right, it could be a very good place to have the Market Hall, because has well as the stalls, some of the units will be used to replace the kiosks around the present Market Hall, and when it was made into Marketgate, from the old Wigan Centre, a lot of work was done on it then, the glass roof was added, and the moving walkways were replaced with proper escalators, and it has its own service area on the roof, and because the trading area and footfall as migrated to the top of the town, with the Grand Arcade etc, Marketgate is part of the top end of the town centre, and it is handy for the bus station too
Replied: 24th May 2021 at 20:52
TTS, there was plans in the past of marketgate being the new home of the market hall, the corinthia cafe which had 2 floors was a big hit in the 80s, what was the old co op and then index is a very big area, however some units in there have been condemned for a long time because of asbestos materials, but I do agree it could be turned into a good shopping area having a lift and escalators already in there.
Replied: 24th May 2021 at 23:52
With all those apartments/ houses it will definitely need a small supermarket or else it’s a small journey by car to the big tesco
Replied: 25th May 2021 at 07:55
There is a definite need for a small supermarket in the town centre.
Replied: 25th May 2021 at 08:07
Wigan Local History and Heritage Society
"Here is the consultation document for the new Galleries in Wigan Town Centre.
We are shocked to see the plans to demolish the existing buildings which are around thirty years old.
The existing red brick buildings of the Galleries and the Clock Tower are much more in keeping with the area and they are still in very good condition.
The design, by the award winning local architect Anthony Grimshaw (we think) still looks very good.
Surely the existing market hall should be developed instead of demolished and moved ...
Do we really need another cinema and a bowling alley ... we already have these. They will just put the others out of business.
Do we really need another hotel in the town? What will happen to the existing ones ... do these get filled?
Will people really choose this as a retirement place to live?
The design in this picture looks more like a transport terminal.
We understand that the buildings need to be repurposed but this can still be done without a complete new build. Demolishing the existing buildings will dramatically change the townscape in order to achieve it ...
Why not come back with an alternative plan showing how the existing buildings can be retained but readapted and enhanced?
Let’s see the different options side by side and then we can assess the merits of each proposal to help us make a real decision.
The Consultation period is very short and closes on June 1st ... please make sure you have your say on the proposals ...
It is not a done deal and your views are important.
Please let the Council know what you think.
Your views matter."
Replied: 25th May 2021 at 15:45
Last edited by Tommy Two Stroke: 25th May 2021 at 15:47:15
If the market did move to marketgate then they could develop the Market hall into a supermarket. Think there were plans to do this with the first development.
Replied: 26th May 2021 at 09:25
Wigan had a supermarket(Morrisons) who not only pulled out of Wigan but Ince as well
Replied: 26th May 2021 at 10:33
I have to agree with the sentiments of Wigan Local History and Heritage Society, except for this bit: “It is not a done deal and your views are important.”
Im being cynical but it’s hard to believe the consultation is anything other than a box ticking exercise.
Replied: 26th May 2021 at 13:06
When one considers the length of time the old market stood well that has been a benefit to wigan ,now we come to this shower who by the way are stealing a living at wigan council , Pulling down the galleries which have not been up for 50 years what an utter waste of wigan council and ratepayers money is there anyone accountable ????? So when this new monstrosity goes up how long will that stand ???? they should all collect their P45s and just go !!!!!
Replied: 26th May 2021 at 13:31
Perhaps not all of them, GB, but some …
Replied: 26th May 2021 at 13:53
Golden Bear,what is having an empty shopping centre going to achieve. Have you heard the expression, use it or lose it.
Replied: 26th May 2021 at 13:58
PeterP I think one of the reasons they pulled out of Wigan was because of the small building and they couldn't expand.
Plus the expensive rent.
The market hall is a much bigger building.
Replied: 26th May 2021 at 16:14
Do you ever stop moaning GB?.......seriously?
Replied: 26th May 2021 at 17:15
Of course, it begs the question, and that is, will the Chinese cough up the money to kick-start the project ?
Replied: 27th May 2021 at 10:15
New images revealed of Wigan Development - www.insidermedia.com (17th Jun)
Read it and weep
Replied: 19th Jun 2021 at 15:13
Replied: 19th Jun 2021 at 15:41
Good grief, looks like Life Centre mark 3.
Replied: 19th Jun 2021 at 15:53
As long Wigginers keep voting Labour like some headless dinosaurs, we will never achieve peace of mind.
What's up with the people of this town?
The Galleries is a lovely concept with a real atmosphere. INVEST in the bugger, don't knock it down...
Replied: 19th Jun 2021 at 16:49
Invest what in it ?
Replied: 19th Jun 2021 at 18:01
Town centre shopping is dead, end of!! And its the same across the whole country. It was a trend and like all trends do its finally come to an end. No amount of money will tempt people away from online shopping and the likes of amazon, ebay etc. On line shopping and services is now the growing trend, particularly with the younger generation. Quicker, easier, cheaper.
Thursday eve I am pruning my roses and the spring flew out of my secateurs nowhere to be found. This morning and a couple of quid later a new one arrives through the letterbox. Why even bother with shops and the time and cost it takes??
It will only get worse for town centres, we need to repurpose and do something else with them to preserve and safeguard local economies.
Replied: 19th Jun 2021 at 21:23
I don’t dispute that, Stardelta, but am not convinced this proposed development will “preserve and safeguard the local economy”.
Replied: 19th Jun 2021 at 21:36
Its Shit !!!!
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They should base it on the Northern Quarter,
Replied: 20th Jun 2021 at 10:11
If it is troo that demolition of The Galleries is to begin next February, then that means that the council want rid of it, and rid of it 'pronto' so that it does not become a derelict money pit, and by getting rid of it, and reopening the old Wigan Centre Arcade, which is now called Marketgate, and putting the Market in there, and I suppose they could put the outdoor market outside of it, I can see the merits of that.
But I cannot understand the proposal to build blocks of flats in place of The Galleries, it reminds me of them building Worsley Mesnes in the 1960s only that they are building the new Worsley Mesnes in the middle of Wigan
Replied: 20th Jun 2021 at 13:44
Last edited by Tommy Two Stroke: 20th Jun 2021 at 13:44:51
The planning application is now live - planning.wigan.gov.uk
Ref. no: A/21/91796/MAJES
So far, one public comment (an objection) has been submitted. Stardelta, I think this hits the nail on the head:
“This proposal is a developer friendly scheme, rather than one with civic amenity at its heart.”
Replied: 21st Jun 2021 at 11:11
I agree, and it is also a council friendly scheme too.
In a nutshell
"Planning – Application Summary
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A/21/91796/MAJES | Hybrid planning application comprising: 1) Full planning application for the demolition of the existing Wigan Market and The Galleries Shopping Centre buildings and structures and the erection of four residential blocks (F, G, H and J) totalling circa 218 units (Use Class C3); two commercial units (Use Class E); a 4/6 storey Hotel (Use Class C1); a Pavilion to include a food and beverage establishment and events space (Use Class Sui Generis); and a new Market Hall with market stalls, food and beverage stalls, co-working space and ancillary facilities within the existing Marketgate Shopping Centre site (Use Class E) together with associated highways works, works to basement, car parking, outdoor events space, public realm and ancillary works. 2) Outline planning application for the erection of four plots (Plot 1: Multi-Media Centre, Plot 2: Blocks A, B and C, Plot 3: Block E and Plot 4: Block D) of up to 8 storeys to include a maximum of 265 residential units (Use Class C3); 1,000sqm maximum commercial floorspace (Use Class E) and a Multi-Media Centre including a multiscreen cinema, multi-purpose event space, bowling alley, indoor mini golf, food and beverage units up to a maximum 9,250sqm (Use Class E / Sui Generis) with associated access, parking, servicing and public realm, all matters apart from access reserved. | The Galleries Wigan WN1 1AR"
It says there that the entire Galleries complex will be demolished, and I think that four blocks of flats in that location will look out of place, and it won't be in keeping with the area ....
Replied: 21st Jun 2021 at 13:24
Last edited by Tommy Two Stroke: 21st Jun 2021 at 13:25:27
Dear Wigan Council,
Re: development ........
...... this is what we want to be done .....
.... and this is who we want to do it .....
...... that's what needs to happen. Deal with it !
The UK Government.
Replied: 21st Jun 2021 at 18:03
Thanks Jo Anne.
The public consultation was a waste of time. Just two weeks after the consultation ended they've submitted plans that haven't changed from the original proposal.
"A public consultation webinar event was held on Thursday 20th May.
All feedback received during our consultation will be logged and reviewed to help shape the final plans before a hybrid planning application is submitted to Wigan Council. All comments should be received no later than Tuesday, 1st June 2021 to ensure they can be taken into consideration before the final plans are submitted to the Council.
We look forward to hearing from you."
Replied: 21st Jun 2021 at 20:01
people since the 80s have been moaning about the Galleries and now people are moaning about it being demolished. I've always liked the galleries. .. well designed and it was great when it was full of shops and had the nice big cafe. Empty shops are the problem
Replied: 23rd Jun 2021 at 08:37
It's a nondescript, boring mess. In my opinion. And I doubt very much it will achieve to bring prosperity to the town centre.
Replied: 23rd Jun 2021 at 09:05
Thanks, Basil, there are some good points in that M.E.N. article.
“Town centre plans 'sound the death knell' for traders, critics say”
Replied: 23rd Jun 2021 at 10:40
Your welcome, Joanne
Doesn't sound good
Replied: 23rd Jun 2021 at 10:46
An attractive and economically viable town centre is only sustainable if it continues to attract shoppers with money to spend. For the past decades the Council department responsible for attracting inward investment into Wigan has been a failure.
The bulk of new jobs created have been at the lower end of the earnings league, mainly in warehousing and distribution. Although providing much needed jobs the pay packets don’t leave much disposable income.
The new town centre will thus have to attract money from people that they would otherwise spend elsewhere. For many after they’ve spent elsewhere there’s very little left. This can only be achieved by making Wigan town centre a go to place with a wide variety of outlets covering people’s normal spending patterns. However, if the place doesn’t feel or look right there’s no hope of making it economically sustainable.
I’m afraid that the plans put forward are, in my view, unlikely to win the jackpot.
Replied: 23rd Jun 2021 at 14:51
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Council News (28th Jun):
Galleries redevelopment contract signed
Wigan Council and developer, Cityheart, have entered into a legal contract … (which) means that, subject to planning, works can commence in early 2022.
Becca Heron, director of economy and skills at Wigan Council said: “Though the planning application is yet to be determined, we hope that this step forward reassures the public that we’re serious about transforming our town centre and creating new reasons for people to visit and spend time here.”
Replied: 28th Jun 2021 at 18:27
More bedrooms than shops, stalls etc
Don't worry it will be flattened again in a few years if previous developments are anything to go off
They have a ready made cinema in Wigan. The Princes. Why dont they just develop that? No, lets build another one in between the market and a new hotel and the new apartments. You may not be able to buy a morning paper, some tripe or a pork pie. But you'll be fine if you want to watch a film, book a room for the night or fancy a game of mini golf or indoor bowls
Replied: 28th Jun 2021 at 19:18
They’ve not completed the Wigan pier project yet…god help us…
Replied: 28th Jun 2021 at 19:34
I am hoping that they will put the Market Hall Stalls inside Marketgate, and do a good job of it, and demolish The Galleries and just leave it, until they come up with a sensible development idea for the place.
Replied: 28th Jun 2021 at 20:09
and you think that's a sensible development?
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Well thank god your not in charge, tommy.
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WiganNow is a private Facebook group , Basil, so non-members can’t see the posts.
Replied: 29th Jun 2021 at 12:46
i don't know how that happened
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saw a story, clicked on link, then put it on here.
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There’s still time to submit your views to Wigan Council.
23 public comments so far
• 22 object
• 1 support
Link: planning.wigan.gov.uk (Closes 20th July)
Replied: 2nd Jul 2021 at 07:45
I've heard that work will start early next year on the side where Argos used to be. So does that mean Heron and maybe Poundland will be closing? Heron was and still is a godsend for when Morrisons closed down. Unless it moves somewhere else. Their shop is a bit small anyway compared to their Ashton store.
Replied: 3rd Jul 2021 at 08:55
Scorpion plenty of empty units in the Grande Arcade which can be revamped to hold any of the shopsleft in the Galleries
Replied: 3rd Jul 2021 at 10:26
That Heron shop in The Galleries has been there since The Galleries opened
Replied: 3rd Jul 2021 at 10:43
I've told the tale about Poundland, I once overheard two old ladies talking, and one said to the other, "I used to love Poundland but they have gone dear now"
Replied: 3rd Jul 2021 at 10:46
I'm not sure it has TTS. Was it not called Snow City at one point?
Replied: 3rd Jul 2021 at 11:10
I think it was called Snow City until the late 1990s, but I seem to remember it always being there in The Galleries in whatever form it was, it was a frozen and fresh food shop, and cheep
Replied: 3rd Jul 2021 at 11:22
Replied: 4th Jul 2021 at 17:29
There’s still time to submit your views to Wigan Council.
Comments So Far: 39
• Objections: 37
• Supporting: 2
Link: planning.wigan.gov.uk (Till 20th July)
Replied: 7th Jul 2021 at 00:28
MP Lisa Nandy’s letter (Jan 2021) to the Chief Executive of Wigan Council, Alison McKenzie-Folan.
Replied: 11th Jul 2021 at 09:09
The gist is that Lisa is satisfied with the reassurances she has received so far from Wigan, but she feels local scrutiny alone is not enough, and is calling for government action.
(Wigan Today, 12th Jul)
Replied: 12th Jul 2021 at 13:02
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I see labour loving workshy is keeping off this thread no wonder! The party he supports has ruined WIgan...
Replied: 12th Jul 2021 at 14:00
Well i feel a bit better i have just joined the wigan council and registered my opposition to the new development of the wigan market area as i say i do feel at the very least i have tried doing my bit now we just want all who are against it to vote ,you have to jion the wigan council
link :planning.wigan.gov.uk ( you have until 20th July )
Replied: 12th Jul 2021 at 15:01
If anyone wants to submit comments on the Galleries planning application via letter you can do it by posting them to Planning Department PO Box 100 Wigan WN1 3DS quoting application reference A/21/91796/MAJES. You need to provide your full postal address.
I received another email from the planning department.
"If any members of the public, would like to comment on The Galleries or any other planning application and they do not have access to the internet or are have trouble sending emails.
Please ask them to submit their comments in writing, quoting the application number to:
Replied: 19th Jul 2021 at 11:30
Last edited by arrow: 16th Aug 2021 at 00:30:09
Thanks, Arrow, will the deadline be tomorrow for letters as well?
Replied: 19th Jul 2021 at 12:51
Sorry jo anne I don't know. I've emailed the planning department but they haven't replied yet. If they do I'll post their answer.
The Admin of the Friends of Wigan Town Centre Facebok group posted this today about the deadline, "Today was earmarked as deadline day for comments on the Galleries Redevelopment Plans.
Because we have complained about all the difficulties which some people have encountered trying to do this, we are pleased to inform you that the deadline has been stretched to ‘Autumn’
We will ensure that we are given an actual deadline date rather than such a vague term as Autumn which is open to misinterpretation …."
Replied: 19th Jul 2021 at 21:22
Last edited by arrow: 19th Jul 2021 at 21:23:47
Glad the deadline for comments has been extended, but wish the situation was clearer and more widely advertised.
Replied: 20th Jul 2021 at 10:29
Morning jo anne. The planning department just emailed and said they will "accept comments up to issuing the decision the date for that is 5/10/21."
Replied: 20th Jul 2021 at 10:36
Thanks, Arrow, surely that tells us everything. Comments have no bearing on the decision at all.
Replied: 20th Jul 2021 at 10:57
There’s still time to submit your views, just in case the powers that be will take notice.
Comments So Far: 90
• Objections: 85
• Supporting: 5
Replied: 15th Aug 2021 at 22:46