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Started by: TerryW (4285)

Corbyn's policy to give everyone free broadband will cost £20 billion they say. Why when he continually cries about the NHS being underfunded? Another pie in the sky idea to get voters no doubt.£20 billion won't even get the idea off the ground did they let the racist dope Diane Abbott do the figures?

Now it's reported that BT shares have dropped since this idea broke.

Started: 15th Nov 2019 at 09:23

Posted by: PeterP (7709)

Even if it was FREE some people still would not have itEven with phones more and more APPS are available, I must be a ludite because I use my phone for calls text and on odd occasions photos There are people in this country who don't have Televisions never mind a computer

Replied: 15th Nov 2019 at 09:48

Posted by: firefox (1700)

Many people on here wouldn't see any benefits even if it were true. It is purported to be rolled out by 2030, a carrot aimed at the youth. The older generation shouldn't be allowed to vote, according to Momentum.

Replied: 15th Nov 2019 at 09:52

Posted by: builderboy (2213)

Labour are keeping their most fanciful promises back at present, and will only wheel them out if they look like they are going to be defeated.

We are all going to be given a unicorn, a stable to keep it in, and a large enough garden to plant the money trees we will all be provided with.

Replied: 15th Nov 2019 at 10:10

Posted by: derek (388) 

This ludicrous idea is going to backfire badly. Surly voters will see through this gimmick to give everyone free broadband when we have people living homeless and the NHS and the railways are falling apart. I have been a lifetime labour voter but this Labour lot are a bunch of wasters. I have a good idea lets give everyone free mobile phone scratch cards.

Replied: 15th Nov 2019 at 10:51

Posted by: FAT MICK (1241) 

Vote Tory

Replied: 15th Nov 2019 at 10:54

Posted by: basil brush (13940)

Vote for a politics free site

Replied: 15th Nov 2019 at 10:56

Posted by: Zanzibar Spangles (3914)

If you come to a politics thread, scroll past it as any normal person would.

Replied: 15th Nov 2019 at 11:01

Posted by: basil brush (13940)

But there everywhere because "some people" have nothing else to do in their life

Replied: 15th Nov 2019 at 11:11

Posted by: baker boy (15430)

walshy
its a pity you have little else to do in your life ,but decry posters who have thoughts on this subject.

Replied: 15th Nov 2019 at 11:19

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (4891)

Actually ............

By 2030 the standard BT phone, will be a broadband only line, a data line, and to make a voice call, it will go via the broadband system, and it is known as a VOIP ~(Voice Over Internet Provider) call.

On top of that BT or should I say 'Open Reach' will be running a fibre optic cable to everyone's house, they have already have connected most of their street cabinets to the fibre optic system, and this will give mega data speeds to all people and businesses

So Corbyn is as usual talking absolute rubbish ...

Replied: 15th Nov 2019 at 11:19

Posted by: basil brush (13940)

They all talk 💩

Replied: 15th Nov 2019 at 11:20

Posted by: Zanzibar Spangles (3914)

You have took the time to post 4 times as many as me.
So I must have more time to spend on my life than you

Replied: 15th Nov 2019 at 11:20

Posted by: TerryW (4285)

He's appealing to those who think the world owes them a living and they should get everything for free, forget about working or fighting for a life worth living and paying your way, Jeremy will lay it all on for free for you.

Replied: 15th Nov 2019 at 11:30

Posted by: sonlyme (2599)

so that means that every internet provider like talk talk etc will be closed down as they wont have a product to sell.well done to corbyn for making hundreds of thousands of employees redundant.

Replied: 15th Nov 2019 at 11:31

Posted by: baker boy (15430)

mr corbyn's project does have several drawbacks.
1. not all folk have internet access via phones or pc's.will he be purchasing the required equipment for the needy.
2. more money spent on part nationalising BT which he does not have.
3. more money wasted on a very dubious project.
4. where is the cash coming from ,lo and behold,increased taxes for big corporations.
you have to give it to the man ,he does not lack ideas
however poor these may be.
how long before the big corporations move out of his reach and its left to you know who to foot the bill,the great british public,venezuala here we come.
petrol £1.50 per litre.VAT 25%

Replied: 15th Nov 2019 at 11:32
Last edited by baker boy: 15th Nov 2019 at 14:15:40

Posted by: whups (4622) 

not like the torys who let big bussineses & the rich send their money out of the country without paying tax .

Replied: 15th Nov 2019 at 12:33

Posted by: TerryW (4285)

Don't you think the money involved in this stupid idea would be better used for the NHS?

Replied: 15th Nov 2019 at 12:36

Posted by: baker boy (15430)

the straw man makes any amount of promises,god forbid he ever get's into power.
the nhs is being kicked about like a football ,one side we will give so much,the other side we will give more.
let the nhs get on with its job ,it's not a political pawn.

Replied: 15th Nov 2019 at 14:20

Posted by: derek (388) 

I fear this daft idea will be the final nail in the Labour coffin. I don't know when Labour if ever lost in Wigan but I think this time they will lose.

Replied: 15th Nov 2019 at 14:37

Posted by: firefox (1700)

Hope so, The Labour party needs to rebuild from the bottom up, remembering why it was formed, and why it's vital a real Labour party are once again fighting for the common man.

They lost Scotland, that was their nail.

Replied: 15th Nov 2019 at 14:59

Posted by: gaffer (6375) 

Welsh Labour Party.

welsh

Replied: 15th Nov 2019 at 15:04

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (4891)

Another thing about the broadband thing is that the landline network is slowly becoming deflunct, the newly launched 5G networks have downloads speeds of 1GBps that is 1000 MBps I have faster fibre broadband, which has a speed of on a good day of 60MBps so by 2030 landline based broadband is only going to be viable, if yoo have a fibre optic connection to your home or business ....

Replied: 15th Nov 2019 at 15:48

Posted by: gaffer (6375) 

TTS

Developments in satellite technology will probably make it the first choice for broadband in 2030.

Replied: 15th Nov 2019 at 16:24

Posted by: elmos (2784) 


Vote labour all the Tories will do is take things
Away from you,when have working people ever got
Anything from as Tory without a fight.
Vote labour

Replied: 15th Nov 2019 at 16:40

Posted by: derek (388) 

Vote Labour and risk getting Diane Abbot as chancellor of the exchequer. yeh right

Replied: 15th Nov 2019 at 16:55

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (4891)

Absolutely Derek

Elmos,,, this Labour Party is NOT the Labour Party your granny voted for, it is a hard left, Marxist, Communist and very dangerous Labour Party, and yoo are just a donkey who is voting for a donkey



Replied: 15th Nov 2019 at 17:04
Last edited by Tommy Two Stroke: 15th Nov 2019 at 17:05:11

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (4891)

gaffer:

"TTS

Developments in satellite technology will probably make it the first choice for broadband in 2030"


Yes, there are technologies now being developed, which utilise numerous low earth orbit satellites, which could provide a fast and fully Earth wide internet service

Replied: 15th Nov 2019 at 17:10

Posted by: gaffer (6375) 

TTS
Nationalisation of Openreach will eventually result in in lower performance which will drive people to mobile networks which are faster and more reliable. The resulting expansion of the mobile networks will bring prices down and render fibre to home obsolete.

Replied: 15th Nov 2019 at 17:34

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (4891)

gaffer

It is a stupid idea, and I think that Corbyn just wants an excuse to nationalise BT

Replied: 15th Nov 2019 at 17:39

Posted by: whups (4622) 

which will never be used for the NHS.

Replied: 15th Nov 2019 at 17:44

Posted by: baker boy (15430)

elmos has my mate points out to everyone who supports labour,what since 1948 as labour ever given the people ,apart from tax rises.0 0 0 0

Replied: 15th Nov 2019 at 18:54
Last edited by baker boy: 15th Nov 2019 at 18:55:06

Posted by: baker boy (15430)

every nationalised industry fell on its backside why ?

Replied: 15th Nov 2019 at 19:04

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (4891)

Replied: 15th Nov 2019 at 19:05

Posted by: sonlyme (2599)

the pension fund companies will have a holding in openreach as well.Will that mean the working mans pension pot will take a hit.

Replied: 15th Nov 2019 at 20:07

Posted by: broady (15820) 

Those that have a pension will but as ever those that have a minimal pension, because they had large absences from the work force, will squeal the most.

Replied: 15th Nov 2019 at 21:18

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (4891)

baker boy:

"every nationalised industry fell on its backside why?"

Over manning
Outrageous Union wage demands
High Wages
Union demarcation disputes
Lack of flexible workforce
Outdated Luddite Union practices
Lack of Modernisation/Automation of facilities
Bad work ethics
Lack of Research & Development
Lack of Market Study
Lack of Forward Business Planning

= Equals

Industry on its bum

Replied: 15th Nov 2019 at 21:53

Posted by: whups (4622) 

and a tory party that intended shutting down every nationalised industry.

Replied: 16th Nov 2019 at 00:05

Posted by: firefox (1700)

Why doesn't the Labour party nationalise the water board(s) and suppy free water to all, Water is essential to life, broadband isn't.

Nationalise National grid plans

This ^ ^ ^ would garner more votes from all age groups.

Replied: 16th Nov 2019 at 11:35
Last edited by firefox: 16th Nov 2019 at 11:36:25

Posted by: TerryW (4285)

Just so glad we won't ever have to go back to power cuts and being held to ransom at every turn.

Replied: 16th Nov 2019 at 14:32

Posted by: whups (4622) 

what do you know .

Replied: 16th Nov 2019 at 14:35

Posted by: TerryW (4285)

I know the country was thrown into darkness and the unions held the country to ransom whenever they pleased.

Replied: 16th Nov 2019 at 14:37

Posted by: whups (4622) 

so what.

Replied: 16th Nov 2019 at 14:38

Posted by: TerryW (4285)

It won't ever happen again.

Replied: 16th Nov 2019 at 14:41

Posted by: Axcroft (136)

British Broadband Corporation proposal is stupid, ludicrous, beyond belief. Technology moves at warp speed - Rebecca Long Bailey at the helm? 

I'm convinced that voters will desert Corbyn and McDonnell (and hopefully our own local MP's), except for younger voters (and maybe we can forgive their naivety, not having experienced socialism) and the dyed in the wool Labour traditionalist. 
 
Nightmare scenario of nationalisation still hangs over us.  Let's hope the British public make the right choice.

Replied: 16th Nov 2019 at 19:48
Last edited by Axcroft: 16th Nov 2019 at 21:43:41

Posted by: Salmon & Ball (665) 

posted by: TerryW (2552) [2,500+] Report abuse

"Just so glad we won't ever have to go back to power cuts and being held to ransom at every turn."



tories implemented the power cuts and the 3 day week
and your television being cut off at 10.30pm every night?

Good old tories.

Replied: 16th Nov 2019 at 20:17

Posted by: baker boy (15430)

nationalising all will be impossible,what you have left is taxing the greedy utilities companies whose profits are from monopoly or price fixing .
there i go again ,letting my socialist side surface.
when i say monopoly, i cannot get my water from anyone but rip off united utilities so i am stuck with a whopping great bill.
with regard to energy companies ,you can throw a butterfly net over their supposed independent prices.

Replied: 16th Nov 2019 at 21:59

Posted by: TerryW (4285)

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posted by: TerryW (2552) [2,500+] Report abuse

"Just so glad we won't ever have to go back to power cuts and being held to ransom at every turn."



tories implemented the power cuts and the 3 day week
and your television being cut off at 10.30pm every night?

Good old tories.

Why are you implying that I have some affiliation with the Tories by saying "Good old tories"?

I have never voted for them and never will so please stop making assumptions.

Replied: 17th Nov 2019 at 09:41

Posted by: derek (388) 

Back in the late 70s I was in a job where I would be working in a different factory every day sometimes two or three a day companies like ICI, LIVERPOOL DOCKS, HEINZ, KELLOGS, BICC and so on and I can tell you these companies were run by the trade unions and run into the ground. Corbin is a throw back to the 70s and if he every got in power we would be taken back to these dark days and believe me we don't want that.

Replied: 17th Nov 2019 at 12:24

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (4891)

Derek

I agree ....

Replied: 17th Nov 2019 at 12:28

Posted by: whups (4622) 

they should,nt have been sold off in the 1st place . they were ours & the torys slod them to their spiv mates as they always do .corbin & mcdonald have their finger on the pulse & know who.s not paying their fair share of tax , that will change .

Replied: 17th Nov 2019 at 12:40

Posted by: broady (15820) 

McDonald? Wasn’t he a farmer?

Replied: 17th Nov 2019 at 12:53

Posted by: joemaplin (195) 

I worked for po/bt/openreach for 40 years.The rot set in after sell off.Poor training,poor management and impossible targets to meet,and no investment in the network.It became a punitive place to work with the man in the van taking a flogging everytime someone screwed up upstairs.

Replied: 17th Nov 2019 at 12:54

Posted by: derek (388) 

The problem is we have gone from one extreme to another from being overmanned and not doing a proper days work to working for 8 hours without lifting your head up, that's why we always have to queue in supermarkets and post offices and when you ring a call centre your in a queue the doctors and hospitals are like an assembly line but going back to unions is not the answer. We need to get our priorities right for instance I passed a young Asian woman in the street selling The Big Issue which is basically begging so I turned back bought the paper and then give the paper back to her, 5 mins later she was on the mobile phone!!! people complain they don't get paid enough but find the money for mobile phones, cable tv, broadband, continental holidays, scratch cards cigarettes, cars my point is there is far too much demand on the average persons wage to fund all this and pay rent and buy food something has to give.

Replied: 17th Nov 2019 at 14:03

Posted by: Zanzibar Spangles (3914)

Replied: 17th Nov 2019 at 14:23

Posted by: Salmon & Ball (665) 

Posted by: TerryW (2555)

"Why are you implying that I have some affiliation with the Tories by saying "Good old tories"?

"I have never voted for them and never will so please stop making assumptions."

What are you on about
I did not. And I did not!

Replied: 17th Nov 2019 at 20:17

Posted by: priscus (8272)

joemaplin:

They, or at least their predecessor, the Post Office Engineering Department, were my first employer when I left school in early 1960's. Even though I ceased to work for them, I always had a soft spot for them, and retained an interest in their circumstances.

In the 1980's, my next door-but-one neighbour was a BT Engineer, whose experience went right back to my time with them. Needless to say, it is a topic we would chat about endlessly.

He too, took early retirement circa 1990, citing dissatisfaction recognisably similar to what you describe.

Shame really. Up until then, I had always considered them to be a good employer.

ps He also sold his BT shares, correctly recognising that they had peaked, and that the company would be unable to sustain what was being expected of it!

Replied: 17th Nov 2019 at 20:56
Last edited by priscus: 17th Nov 2019 at 21:03:40

Posted by: joemaplin (195) 

Hi Priscus..loved working for the PO,hated working for Openreach,my shares also long gone.nb. free shares that were generaly given out when they wanted to make cuts elsewhere

Replied: 17th Nov 2019 at 21:19

Posted by: priscus (8272)

Indeed. Even though I did not stay with them, (I had other plans for myself) I did enjoy working for them.

There was a kind of esprit de corps wasn't there. We knew what was wanted of us, and if we were treated right, we would put in a lot of effort to get it.

Replied: 17th Nov 2019 at 21:33

Posted by: joemaplin (195) 

Replied: 17th Nov 2019 at 21:40

Posted by: Axcroft (136)

Apparently, Dianne ran the numbers on this proposal and persuaded Jeremy that the British Broadband Corporation was a sure fire vote winner.

Replied: 17th Nov 2019 at 22:55

Posted by: priscus (8272)

Where I live, local broadband was pitched against a carrier-pigeon in a race......

And it lost to the pigeon.

Replied: 17th Nov 2019 at 23:03

Posted by: paul mcnamara (1109) 

If its the local broadband I'm thinking about priscus then the pigeon only had one wing...

Replied: 17th Nov 2019 at 23:05

Posted by: priscus (8272)

Source was Beverley

Destination Skegness

Content some MP4 video

About 2/3 of the file had uploaded, by the time pigeon arrived in skeggy with whole file on a memcard attached to its leg!

Replied: 17th Nov 2019 at 23:17

Posted by: joemaplin (195) 

Paul,I see your on the other side of the hill
Have you had your shots

Replied: 17th Nov 2019 at 23:19

Posted by: paul mcnamara (1109) 

I'm educating the locals joemaplin

Replied: 17th Nov 2019 at 23:23

Posted by: aussie94 (2346)

Nothing is free someone has to pay . Tell us who JC

Replied: 19th Nov 2019 at 04:43

Posted by: priscus (8272)

Yes, if you look at what people are actually using the internet for, then it is highly questionable whether it is something that should be tax-payer subsidised.

Porn, commerce, on-line bullying, the sort of fight-club you get on WW, ripping-off content in a manner which trounces the intellectual property rights of owners, and data capture to shepherd people into purchasing/voting etc in manner which fulfils someone else's agenda other that your own......

Do we really want our taxes subsidising all of that?

Replied: 19th Nov 2019 at 10:48

Posted by: chatty (7589) 

Porn, commerce, on-line bullying, the sort of fight-club you get on WW, ripping-off content in a manner which trounces the intellectual property rights of owners, and data capture to shepherd people into purchasing/voting etc in manner which fulfils someone else's agenda other that your own......

Do we really want our taxes subsidising all of that?


Certainly not twice, I'll stick to just subsidising the BBC?

Replied: 19th Nov 2019 at 19:00

Posted by: roylew (3148)

In 2030 the internet will be an outdated old hat anyway

Replied: 19th Nov 2019 at 19:11

Posted by: baker boy (15430)

chatty
i'm sick of subsidising the bbc,its dying on its feet .
teletext information is going in january 2020,they say go to the i.player or buy a paper ? if your not net oconnected. if it was an horse they would shoot it to put it out its misery.

Replied: 21st Nov 2019 at 18:13

 

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