Give Way to Tomplum

Started by: mortarmillbill (775)

New Highway Code rules are coming in from this Saturday and motorists MUST give way to cyclists and pedestrians.

If you are approaching a junction you have to stop and give priority to cyclists and pedestrians.

I have noticed that the new cycle lane on Warrington Road near Alexandra Park has new give way markings as you come out of the side streets showing that you must stop first for the cycle lane and footpath and then proceed to the junction if it is clear.

Follow the Highway Code.

Started: 24th Jan 2022 at 13:45
Last edited by mortarmillbill: 24th Jan 2022 at 13:46:45

Posted by: tomplum (8991) 

I'll drink to that

Replied: 24th Jan 2022 at 13:50

Posted by: PeterP (9290)

Soon be going back to when cars were 1st invented and we will have some one walking at the front of the car with a red flag

Replied: 24th Jan 2022 at 14:14

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (9449)

Yes, but a decent driver as always done that anyway.

Replied: 24th Jan 2022 at 14:47

Posted by: GOLDEN BEAR (4737) 

As for me you can stuff all that rubbish about cyclist's , I will give way when these damn cyclist 's pay a TAX to ride . I would like to know just how much all these cycle lanes have cost???? Does the motorist get any help ,, ? NO we have to use roads with loads of potholes ,which in turn cause a whole lot of expense when repairs have to be done . So TOM PLUM take extra care when you are out and about .. GB

Replied: 24th Jan 2022 at 14:50

Posted by: tomplum (8991) 

Well Said Mr Tommy 2 stroke , I think it is in the highway code that when turning into a junction, give way to pedestrians crossing the road, And we cyclists are technically Pedestrians, as in we. PED strain all the roads and payments,

Replied: 24th Jan 2022 at 14:55
Last edited by tomplum: 24th Jan 2022 at 14:58:53

Posted by: Platty (1219)

GB: The motorist has paid for all these cycle lanes.

Replied: 24th Jan 2022 at 16:09

Posted by: Billinge Biker (1349) 

Wonder if they ever let motorsickles use them??

Replied: 24th Jan 2022 at 17:41

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (9449)

Can mopeds use cycle lanes now, because many years yoo could use a moped in a cycle lane.

Replied: 24th Jan 2022 at 17:45

Posted by: broady (18048) 

A potential £1000 fine for the driver if he opens the door with the wrong hand. You now have to open it with the hand farthest from the road. This makes you twist and hopefully see Tomplum passing you.

Replied: 24th Jan 2022 at 18:29

Posted by: sonlyme (3149)

Anyone who doesn't look behind when opening a door shouldn't be driving anyway.

Replied: 24th Jan 2022 at 18:30

Posted by: broady (18048) 

Do they still have the Cycling Proficiency Test? I think we did ours in the school yard back in the day.

Replied: 24th Jan 2022 at 18:37

Posted by: lectriclegs (4816)

I don't think so
They just change the rules of the road to protect them from themselves.

Replied: 24th Jan 2022 at 18:47

Posted by: sonlyme (3149)

I very much doubt it.I remember that and the 50 mtrs swimming certificate.

Replied: 24th Jan 2022 at 18:47

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (9449)

Replied: 24th Jan 2022 at 19:05

Posted by: broady (18048) 

Cheers TTS. I don’t think it is compulsory though. Just reading that a car passenger has to use the ‘ Dutch Method’ to leave the car also. Open the door with the hand farthest from the door. Who is going to police all this?

Replied: 24th Jan 2022 at 19:41

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (9449)

Well yoo are going to be buggered if you only have one arm

Replied: 24th Jan 2022 at 19:56

Posted by: admin (1170)

I can never understand in this day and age, why do cyclists not have to be insured? If they damage your car, and they are at fault, who pays?

Replied: 24th Jan 2022 at 21:18

Posted by: tomplum (8991) 

well if you are running and you run in a car, you could scratch/dint a car or some kid skate boarding , a big dog running in the road, an asda trolley blowing in the wind, a un manned wheelie bin, where do you stop ??
Cars are the menace, 1 ton of solid metal doing 30 mph is lethal, a bike rode by a cyclist is a none threatening instrument of good health , clean air , quiet and jolly good fun, If the gov't taxed us, they would be cutting their own throat in the attempt to make wigan a 'clean Air Zone,
thats why,

Replied: 24th Jan 2022 at 21:34

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (9449)

In years to come, I believe that cyclists will have to be insured, mainly so that pedestrians can claim from them, has well as vehicle owners, and I believe that the electric assisted bikes will be taxed, I agree that cars are lethal weapons in regard to pedestrians and cyclists, and I am encouraged that some of these cycle lanes, have been placed away from vehicular roads, that is good

Replied: 24th Jan 2022 at 22:01

Posted by: tomplum (8991) 

Tommy Tee, I've PM'd you from thuther place, I tried first from your talk talk acc but its no longer working,

Replied: 24th Jan 2022 at 22:26

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (9449)

I have replied Tom

I got a good deal from Virgin on Ethnic Friday, so I sacked TalkTalk

Replied: 24th Jan 2022 at 23:16

Posted by: broady (18048) 

ETHNIC FRIDAY!!! Very PC there TTS. Should please some of the readers.

Replied: 24th Jan 2022 at 23:20

Posted by: PeterP (9290)

TTS to true about having the use of only one arm, My wife cannot use her right arm/hand due to a stroke so as to open the passenger door with her left hand. I have not read the wording of the new rule but may be things like this are covered

Replied: 25th Jan 2022 at 08:32

Posted by: tomplum (8991) 

Thank yoo for the reply Tommy Tee, good luck with R.S training. Are they they doing green environment friendly ones now ?

Replied: 25th Jan 2022 at 08:51

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (9449)

Not really Tom, the best and most powerful engines burn hydrogen and oxygen, and that only produces water, but it takes energy to make hydrogen and oxygen, so they are not carbon neutral, and also engines which run on hydrogen and oxygen are expensive to build.

A popular design is to use kerosene (paraffin) and oxygen, the old Saturn Five used that fuel and oxidiser combination.

What we need Tom, is for scientits to find out how these UFOs are powered, although it appears to be an ant gravity propulsion system, it is obvious that these UFOs are not really there in a physical sense, because they don't interact with the surrounding atmosphere, but sometimes they appear on radar, which suggests that they are there in a physical sense, but we just don't know, and it is about time we did know how they work.

Replied: 25th Jan 2022 at 13:45

Posted by: tomplum (8991) 

according to my expert who used to live in the woods, He watched them UFO's and his studies show that, where ever there is a nuclear dump, the UFO's hover over for a while, they somehow 'suck' it up from the wayyyy down and get it out of its concrete pit without any noise, They are truly remarkable, Don't tell anyone they will think you are crazy and, that is another reason they don't get detected,

Replied: 25th Jan 2022 at 14:45

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (9449)

Well I am wondering if at the moment, there is a lot UAP (Unexplained Aerial Phenomena) activity, which is how the UFO thing is described as now, because just because yoo don't know what has just flew over your head, so to you, it is a UFO, an Unidentified Flying Object, but it does not necessarily mean that it is an alien spaceship, it could be a Ryanair on its way to Ringway airport.

But I am thinking more along the lines of the Ukraine thing, because before there is a war, UAP activity normally increases, as though they know something we don't know

Because they might not be alien spaceships, but time travellers from our own future, who know about history, because yoo never know, because that could be true

Replied: 25th Jan 2022 at 15:27
Last edited by Tommy Two Stroke: 25th Jan 2022 at 15:31:08

Posted by: tomplum (8991) 

I think Alien life form is considerably more likely than time travel because , If you imagine the Universe as a large beach and planet Earth is a grain of sand on the beach, As you know that is very much in perspective,So thinking that only our grain of sand is the ONLY one with life on it,Is very very unlikely yet, Bringing time gone or time not yet made is an outside bet compared to my beach life race,

Replied: 25th Jan 2022 at 15:41

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (9449)

Well it is inconceivable that we are the only life in the universe, but travel between the stars in a conventional sense is probably impossible, it would have to be done using wormholes, and such things, which we have no understanding of yet, and it has been proved that there is a link between time and relative velocity, as Einstein predicted, but we need 'eureka' moment from a scientist, who can move us on to the next level of the knowledge of physics

Replied: 25th Jan 2022 at 16:18

Posted by: tomplum (8991) 

My theory is, Its the aliens who gives us the 'eurika ' moments, lik in the Pyramids being an old 'nudge' in the right direction and more recently the
iphone, and many inbetween, Without their help we would still have square wheels

Replied: 25th Jan 2022 at 16:49

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (9449)

Well there is all that and more besides Tom, but at least the authorities have now admitted in a very low key way, that there are such things as UAP, but they don't know what they are,

But doooooo they know what they are, but they won't tell us.

Replied: 25th Jan 2022 at 17:34

Posted by: basil brush (18168)

looks like cyclists are getting better treated than the paying motorist

Replied: 27th Jan 2022 at 08:59

Posted by: mortarmillbill (775)

Cyclists can now ride in the centre of the road on quiet roads and in slow moving traffic they can stay in the centre of their lane instead of hugging the kerb.

Replied: 27th Jan 2022 at 14:19

Posted by: Domin0 (321)

I'm afraid there will be an increase in accidents, due to these new rules.

Replied: 27th Jan 2022 at 16:22

Posted by: bentlegs (4784)

I totaly agree with you domino.

Replied: 28th Jan 2022 at 11:05

Posted by: mortarmillbill (775)

You are probably right as not many drivers are aware of the changes.

I think there is 2 weeks grace before the police start issuing fines.

Replied: 28th Jan 2022 at 15:44

Posted by: ena malcup (936)

If you have to leave 1,5M clearance when overtaking a cyclist, and the cyclist is in middle of lane, that will often mean you can only overtake the cyclist when there is a gap in oncoming traffic. In peak hour traffic in urban areas, it is going to mean traffic simply cannot legally overtake cyclists.

So, are we going to see total congestion, or motorists just ignoring the law?

I do cycle, and I am quite happy if motorist give me 1 M clearance. I think 1.5 is excessive, and will create problems.

Replied: 28th Jan 2022 at 15:56

Posted by: broady (18048) 

Are cyclists not advised to cycle two abreast as well. They would be almost impossible to overtake. Another disaster in the making.

Replied: 28th Jan 2022 at 16:26

Posted by: tomplum (8991) 

The Smiling cyclists annoy the moaning motorists, You can't beat us so, join us by, travelling free , cleaning the pollution and enjoying a new found healthy way to get about,
You know it makes sense,

Replied: 28th Jan 2022 at 20:43
Last edited by tomplum: 28th Jan 2022 at 20:48:03

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (9449)


Suppose yoo only have one leg ?

Replied: 28th Jan 2022 at 21:05

Posted by: tonker (25112) 

This morning, on my way to Westhoughton, I got as far as Castle Hill, Hindley, before coming up against a slow moving tanker.
In front of the tanker was a cyclist.
He wasn’t a TomPlum cyclist, he was on a racing bike, full Lycra suit, helmet etc. and he was all over the road, standing up on the pedals, snaking left, right, left, right, so much so the tanker couldn’t get past, nor could I, nor could the long queue of traffic that built up behind us!
This was up to the traffic lights at Cricketers Way in Westhoughton where the cyclist went through the lights on red, stood , balancing on his pedals, in the middle of the junction until he spied a gap before carrying on, on his merry way, totally regardless of the lights still on red.
You couldn’t make it up!

These dickheads make cyclists enemies!

Replied: 28th Jan 2022 at 21:06

Posted by: ena malcup (936)

Yuu'd need one of these new self balancing bikes.

Replied: 28th Jan 2022 at 21:07
Last edited by ena malcup: 28th Jan 2022 at 21:09:33

Posted by: broady (18048) 

Do you not use electric to charge your batteries which, by the way, will never decompose and are toxic to the environment? The chemicals leach into the soil and end up in our water supply. I agree with your point about getting out in the fresh air. Lots pass me on their " electric" bikes but I see very few actually using pedal power. I am sure you are the exception.

Replied: 28th Jan 2022 at 21:12

Posted by: ena malcup (936)


Boris regularly ran red lights when he was mayor of London.

You can see much video of it on YouTube if you google it.

He did attempt to get the law changed to make it legal for cyclists to ignore red lights.

Replied: 28th Jan 2022 at 21:12

Posted by: tomplum (8991) 

I'm Appling for a , cyclist hate card, We really are at the brunt of moaning motorists who blame us for slow traffic, just imagine how a Black cyclist feels who's , fat , red haired, female ,wearing glasses , using her fone , going through red lights , putting her make up on and lives on a council estate,
Then if you thought she could't be hated anymore,
She lays her bike in the Asda entrance sideways on the floor while, she picks up a bottle of orange and gets in the queue and doesn't wear a mask,
Is there anyone on the planet more hated ??

Replied: 28th Jan 2022 at 21:37

Posted by: tomplum (8991) 


Bikers lives Matter too,

Replied: 28th Jan 2022 at 21:38

Posted by: broady (18048) 

A toss up I think. Only joking Tom. I know how much you enjoy your cycling. Keep pedalling.

Replied: 28th Jan 2022 at 21:40

Posted by: tomplum (8991) 

Thanks Bill, as you know, its all banter with me,

Replied: 28th Jan 2022 at 21:42
Last edited by tomplum: 28th Jan 2022 at 21:43:24

Posted by: ena malcup (936)

Roads are dangerous places.

ALL users should exercise care towards EVERY other user, whatever their category.

Anyone not doing, should be afforded a minimum of leeway, and receive a lifetime ban if they fail to check their behaviour which endangers others.

Should they be pedestrians causing danger, they should only be allowed out under supervision!

I think this divisiveness, and setting one category of road user against another is counterproductive, and merely results in roads being even more dangerous!

Replied: 28th Jan 2022 at 22:20

Posted by: Owd Codger (586)

The standard of driving today is appalling, especially where speeding is concerned.

My Wife and I live on a street which is like living at the side of Brands Hatch or Silverstone.

The worse offenders being those who drive the petrol guzzling 4 x 4's and high perfrormance German cars.

I blame the TV programme 'Top Gear' where the muppets like Paddy McGuiness and Freddie Flintoff educate the idiots to drive badly.

Replied: 29th Jan 2022 at 07:58
Last edited by Owd Codger: 29th Jan 2022 at 08:14:56

Posted by: tonker (25112) 

“The standard of driving today is appalling”

Actually, the cars today are much faster than they were in the past. However, they are much safer.
There are much more cars on the roads now than there ever was.
The roads are in much worse condition than they ever were.
Yet, there are far less accidents than there used to be and less than 20% of fatal accidents than 50 years ago.

Does it not follow, that driving standards today are far better than they used to be?

Replied: 29th Jan 2022 at 12:58

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (9449)

I tend to agree with that, and new drivers are taught to a much higher standard than they were years ago.

Replied: 29th Jan 2022 at 13:25

Posted by: tonker (25112) 

I disagree!
Driver training is appalling.
The high standard I refer to is developed through experience.
ie: a driver who does 20,000 miles a year, in all weathers, day and night, is going to be better than one who has “passed their advanced driving test” but only takes the car out for a Sunday drive to Southport, if the weather’s nice.

Replied: 29th Jan 2022 at 13:47

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (9449)


In the 1970s when I learned to drive, I was taught to pass a driving test, and there were plenty of folk who passed that driving test who could not drive properly, and there is no way that you can say that driving test standards are worse than they were back then, young people today have to learn a hell of a lot more than what they did 50yrs ago.
But that does not mean there are no young idiots on the road, or older idiots for that matter.

Replied: 29th Jan 2022 at 14:25

Posted by: tonker (25112) 

I referred to ‘training’, not ‘test’.
Many people pass a driving ‘test’ today but they are terrible drivers.

I know an electrical engineer, with a masters degree, on £60,000 a year salary, who doesn’t know how to re-wire a house.

Sir Christopher Wren couldn’t lay bricks!

Think about it!

Replied: 29th Jan 2022 at 14:37

Posted by: tomplum (8991) 

I know a similar type, he joined my forum and learned what colour the wires are, now he proclaims to earn more in an hour than I get for a year,
talk is cheap, I found out quickly that, If he says good morning, I put my PJ's on and go to bed,

Replied: 29th Jan 2022 at 15:40

Posted by: lectriclegs (4816)

Good morning Tom.

More exaggeration/lies I see.
What I said is "I make more in a day than you get in a week "
Now, you wouldn't know if I know anything about leccy because you have no idea who I am.
I've tried to stay out of your way lately,but you can't help having a pop can you?

Why not nip into your shed and do another video on how to make a fire trap out of a cable reel, you sad little troll.

Replied: 29th Jan 2022 at 16:25

Posted by: tomplum (8991) 

at staying out of my way you are not doing good, have I mentioned your name ?? like you say, I don't know you and you don't know me so how can you form an opinion, you are the sad one just because platty as put you on ignore, don't think you can come here, be gone back to the lunney bin,

Replied: 29th Jan 2022 at 16:48

Posted by: basil brush (18168)

when there are accidents, which there will be, it will be the motorist's fault.

Replied: 30th Jan 2022 at 11:20

Posted by: Stardelta (9654)

"I know an electrical engineer, with a masters degree, on £60,000 a year salary, who doesn’t know how to re-wire a house"

Does he need to know how to rewire a house?

And...... how much more does he know about electrical engineering than you?

Replied: 30th Jan 2022 at 11:32

Posted by: tomplum (8991) 

wiring lesson number 1,
there are three wires,,,,,,,end of lesson,

Replied: 30th Jan 2022 at 12:04
Last edited by tomplum: 30th Jan 2022 at 12:05:19

Posted by: basil brush (18168)

he certainly knows a lot of people you know.

Replied: 30th Jan 2022 at 12:05

Posted by: tomplum (8991) 

there is an old saying,
give a thousand monkeys type writers and eventually they will write a book,

here's another one,

give a monkey a plug to wire, he's probably do it in a minute,

Replied: 30th Jan 2022 at 12:17

Posted by: lectriclegs (4816)

"wiring lesson number 1,
there are three wires,,,,,,,end of lesson,"

Stick to plumbing lad, you obviously aren't clever enough to understand electricity.

Replied: 30th Jan 2022 at 12:19

Posted by: Owd Codger (586)

Tommy Two Stroke

Driving standards are better today than they used to be?

What kind of metality has a driver who does 40-60 mph in a residental area where there are 20-30mph speed limits and the many other examples of bad driving you see on the roads today.

It only needs a child to run out of a garden, but how many would be able to brake in time when exceeding the speed limit.

Judging by what I see on the roads, more brains in a rocking horse than what exsists in many drivers today!

Replied: 30th Jan 2022 at 12:20

Posted by: tomplum (8991) 

tick to plumbing lad, you obviously aren't clever enough to understand electricity.

Ha Ha ha, says the chap that came to my forum to learn what colours the wires are,
you could't make it up,

Replied: 30th Jan 2022 at 12:40

Posted by: lectriclegs (4816)

Do you ever stop telling lies,Tom?
Or do you just do it to impress others?

Replied: 30th Jan 2022 at 13:02

Posted by: tomplum (8991) 

there's no lies there, I've no desire to impress folks but, I do help people and you're not fit to tie my boots, So unless you want to join me in helping others, Find someone else to stalk,

Replied: 30th Jan 2022 at 14:22


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