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Lisa And The Chinese State

Started by: TerryW (6276)

Call for Wigan MP to speak on Chinese firm's involvement in town centre masterplan.

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Make your own minds up on this, she really is very concerned about the "appalling Chinese human rights record"...isn't she?

Started: 20th Jan 2021 at 11:33

Posted by: PeterP (8306)

Who needs a third world war, It is alleged the Chinese released a virus which has decimated the world business and human deaths wise. The only country which is booming is China There must be building firms besides from China who could do the redevelopment of Wigan town centre

Replied: 20th Jan 2021 at 14:21

Posted by: tonker (23048) 

The Chinese knew about the capabilities of this virus ten years ago, and said nowt!

Replied: 20th Jan 2021 at 15:48

Posted by: gaffer (6627) 

Replied: 20th Jan 2021 at 21:00

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (6581)

They don't like it up um



Replied: 20th Jan 2021 at 21:17

Posted by: TerryW (6276)

Not a very trustworthy person is our Lisa. She changes direction like the wind and if it isn't blowing her way she'll start tacking.

Replied: 21st Jan 2021 at 13:41

Posted by: fossil (6781)

I like Lisa Nandy,but I suppose it all boils down to which side you support.

Replied: 21st Jan 2021 at 15:13

Posted by: peter israel (1039) 

it's great having a big plan but what about to day and now .. wigan has been going downhill the last few years and that's Lisa Nandy job !!

Replied: 22nd Jan 2021 at 07:13

Posted by: TerryW (6276)

As bad as Wigan may seem I still wouldn't want a company from the Chinese state building in Wigan.

The Chinese state is very oppressive and that is a good enough reason for me, not forgetting what they have done to the world recently.

Replied: 22nd Jan 2021 at 13:25

Posted by: GOLDEN BEAR (3327) 

THIS just shows to me what a UTTERLY WASTE OF SPACE nandy is i have no particular party views but in this she is WRONG and whilst on the subject of her being WIGAN'S mp ,i beg the question what has she achieved for the town ,the people of this great borough ??????????I do really think it's about time the people of WIGAN gave someone else or different party because in my view this proud town of ours is going down the tubes and fast so lets have ago .....by getting shut of her and her other buddy FOVARGUE she must not have a computer for i am still awaitng several e-mails going back months lets have a change ......

Replied: 22nd Jan 2021 at 14:27

Posted by: tonker (23048) 

Golden Bear said, "whilst on the subject of her being WIGAN'S mp ,i beg the question what has she achieved for the town ,the people of this great borough ??????????"

She's the MP for Wigan Parliamentary Constituency. Not just the town and not for the borough.

Replied: 22nd Jan 2021 at 17:38

Posted by: WN1 Standisher (139)

Tonker said : The chinese knew about the capabilities of this virus 10 years ago and said nowt. I agree. Has anyone seen the film/read the book, The Stand by Stephen King ? Great book. Basically, a virus escapes from a lab facility which wipes out half the earths population. Called the super flu, Captain Trips or Tube neck due to the fatal symptoms, its deduced that this is the easiest way to assume control rather than dropping the bomb. The book doesn't go into the developement of a vacinne, but becomes a good v evil match up. In the end the good make a ' stand '. I won't spoil the ending for those who havn't read it yet. Back to topic, I'd give the contract to a local / British company after listening to the needs and desires of local people / businesses in Wigan.

Replied: 23rd Jan 2021 at 10:40

Posted by: TerryW (6276)

I agree, WN1. The contract should go to a British company. Nandy should stop contradicting herself at every turn.

Replied: 23rd Jan 2021 at 12:45

Posted by: tonker (23048) 

The government is pushing for more trade deals with China, after brexit. The UK's trade with China is worth about £76 billion a year, which makes China one of the UK's largest trading partners.

From gov.uk - "We promote UK interests through a strong, effective relationship with China. We work to promote international security, increase mutual prosperity, and support China’s process of modernisation and reform".

It follows that, if the UK government tells Wigan council, "give work to Chinese companies", then Wigan council are going to give work to Chinese companies.

Replied: 23rd Jan 2021 at 13:12

Posted by: Stardelta (8000)

If the Chinese can provide the best deal why should they be used? No company in this country seems interested in investing in the way they do.

You can bang on about their human rights record but that is a different issue altogether. If we shun them because of it, we ourselves may well loose out.....noses and spite etc.

As for all the negativity and criticism aimed at this proposal.........you need to consider 2 things.....Town centre shopping is in its death throes, and not just in Wigan. It wont be coming back, the areas need a new purpose to benefit local economies. Secondly and it stands out a mile the scheme is for the future, it is not really intended for or to be of much benefit for the more elderly amongst us, rather the younger generations.

Replied: 23rd Jan 2021 at 14:02

Posted by: Anne (3869) 

S D..... I would consider myself elderly but have NEVER shopped in the town centre for groceries. Clothing was bought from various outlets in the town but then my favourite shops closed about thirty years ago, if not more. That was when town shopping began its death throes for me.

Replied: 23rd Jan 2021 at 14:51

Posted by: jo anne (33386) 

SD: “If the Chinese can provide the best deal why shouldn’t they be used? No company in this country seems interested in investing in the way they do.

Four companies made the shortlist - Link (Feb 2020)

• Muse Developments - UK ‘leading name’
• Cityheart with BCEGI - ’China state-owned’
• Eric Wright Group - ’Leader in UK’
• Queensberry - ?

It’d be interesting to see how much better a deal BCEGI did offer Wigan.

Replied: 23rd Jan 2021 at 15:42

Posted by: tonker (23048) 

Buildings that pre-date the civil war will bite the dust to make way for thisdevelopment!

The council should be reminded of their 2010 conservation proposals!

Replied: 23rd Jan 2021 at 17:21

Posted by: jo anne (33386) 

Lisa’s recent tweet:



Has she tried to intervene in Wigan’s Galleries25?

Replied: 24th Jan 2021 at 13:10
Last edited by jo anne: 25th Jan 2021 at 10:04:12

Posted by: TerryW (6276)

Like I said above she really should stop contradicting herself at every turn. Foolish woman.

Replied: 24th Jan 2021 at 16:32

Posted by: Platty (375)

Lisa is supporting a report suggesting replacing the armed forces with a "gender-balanced human security" corps. The main job of the forces should be "to dampen down violence rather than intervene on one side or the other." And she then goes on to say we are a small island punching above our weight.
Who votes for these people?

Btw, where's Burnham? In the bunker or on his escape route?

Replied: 24th Jan 2021 at 20:10

Posted by: cheshirecat (65) 

Posted by: tonker (22777) [View tonker's page]

"The government is pushing for more trade deals with China, after brexit. The UK's trade with China is worth about £76 billion a year, which makes China one of the UK's largest trading partners. "

That is true, Tonker.
Good luck to any company that gets contracts in the town.
It can only be good for the local economy. I'm sure there will employment for local workers. I don't think there will be a building site full of Chinese hod carriers, flaggers and kerbers etc

Replied: 24th Jan 2021 at 20:51
Last edited by cheshirecat: 24th Jan 2021 at 20:53:28

Posted by: tonker (23048) 

Exactly, cheshirecat. I doubt there'll be any Chinese workers at all. It'll be headed by the Chinese government. However, the Chinese government will do nothing, apart from put their name to the project. They'll simply be investors. but what will they actually 'invest'? I'd suggest nothing at all. They'll just leave everything to others, they'll just 'take a cut'.
When you see how many 'projects' the UK government are allowing the Chinese government to 'oversee', it's clear that all they're doing is taking revenue from the UK into China. For nothing.

It happens a lot. It's called 'corruption'.

What's up with the UK government 'overseeing' the projects while doing 'nothing at all' and investing 'nothing at all', simply taking a cut?
Why can't they say, "right, this project will be overseen by ..... errrr., .... the NHS"! then let the NHS take the cut?

Replied: 24th Jan 2021 at 21:58
Last edited by tonker: 24th Jan 2021 at 22:02:55

Posted by: fossil (6781)

Jo Anne,the tweet she made is still there.

Replied: 25th Jan 2021 at 09:41

Posted by: jo anne (33386) 

Thanks, Fossil, I’ll edit the post above.

(My post was 1.10pm and Lisa’s existing tweet is 1.15pm - Link, so Lisa reposted her original comment).

Replied: 25th Jan 2021 at 10:03

Posted by: gaffer (6627) 

Replied: 25th Jan 2021 at 10:31

 

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