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Britain's Foreign Aid

Started by: GOLDEN BEAR (3997) 

For once i have to back our PM Boris Johnson on his stance on cutting aid to these foreign countries. The cut amounts to savings of £ 4 billion pounds ,which at this juncture in time,, and all that we have gone and are still going through with this horrid co-vid is vital for our economy. You hear and read all these do gooder's wanting more and more ,well i for one say it's high time we looked after ourselves ,after all the EU is still battling with us . And as for what i saw in the Sudan the money and food we send is being stolen by the so-called army of pirates ,so very little aid gets given to were it's supposed to go to ... Then we see sir keir Starmer saying """"" This is not the vision of a global Britain, he wants see """" My response to Keir is we need to get our own house in order first , for far too many hundreds' of years we have been these other countries bread basket. If they sort their own countries out then they would not want to flood into europe and our country so it's time to call time on them all and just say enough is enough ..... GB

Started: 14th Jul 2021 at 15:47

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (7813)

Like you say how much of the money finds it's way to the poor of those countries ?

Replied: 14th Jul 2021 at 16:00

Posted by: First Mate (312)
Posted by: Billinge Biker (858) 

Too many sat on their lazy bone idle backsides with outstretched arms. Stop having all those sprogs you can't afford in the first place.... Send condoms and birth control pills first to get the numbers down to a manageable level... THEN.. Think about aid... But don't send it to their bent governments.

Replied: 14th Jul 2021 at 16:41

Posted by: PeterP (8782)

How many of our politicians are on the board of overseas charities and voted against the cut because it could effect the money going into their pockets We have all read the stories about money being wasted on a pop group and even going to the richest countries like China. ALL the overseas funding should be stopped and spent in this country.Its time some of these corrupt countries started looking after their own

Replied: 14th Jul 2021 at 17:46
Last edited by PeterP: 16th Jul 2021 at 13:16:05

Posted by: broady (17185) 

Please continue sending it to Canada as imported Strongbow is quite expensive.

Seriously, even though it isn’t my monies, I agree whole heartedly with what PeterP says.

Replied: 14th Jul 2021 at 18:47

Posted by: Anne (4002) 

One reason so many children are born in corrupt and impoverished countries is because there is no welfare system. Parents of these children will eventually need to depend on them in old age. Think about this country well before the benefits system came into being.

Replied: 14th Jul 2021 at 19:04

Posted by: cheshirecat (204) 

I think it is a United Nations agreement from 50 odd years ago? Its not only the Uk I think there are a lot more other countries involved.
I agree with helping other people who are facing poverty, disease etc overseas regardless of what country they reside.

Replied: 14th Jul 2021 at 20:59

Posted by: tonker (23930) 

"I agree with helping other people who are facing poverty, disease etc overseas regardless of what country they reside."

I don't mind "helping people who are facing poverty, disease etc".

I'm against us giving money to foreign governments, supposedly for "helping people who are facing poverty, disease etc", when the majority of it is squandered on 'fat-cat life styles' for the already wealthy leaders and greed-fuelled military activities.

Replied: 14th Jul 2021 at 21:12

Posted by: albion (290)

why do never hear of black people donating anything. Theres plenty of millionairs who are black and billionairs.Seems only whites do anything.time they got hands in thier pockets and help there own.

Replied: 16th Jul 2021 at 11:16

Posted by: whups (6619) 

alan i,m absolutely aghast at your reply backing johnson . if he stopped millionaires & big businesses sending money out of the country there would be enough to go round . he is trying to sell off the NHS through the back door by re-jigging the health & social care act that landsey put into law in 2012 which invited private companies to take contracts from the NHS of which richard branson took 10 million from it in court & now they want private concerns to sit on the nhs board & make the decisions . the torys never give their own people anything & thats a fact . why cany you get behind the labour party & stop this selling british assets off . remember wot you told me about wot your father thought of torys ? .

Replied: 16th Jul 2021 at 12:03

Posted by: laughing gravy (inactive)

Workshy how much do you pay to help others Not much I wager...

Replied: 16th Jul 2021 at 14:51

Posted by: broady (17185) 

Why did Labour get trounced in the last election?

Replied: 16th Jul 2021 at 15:27

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (7813)

Whupsy

But the Labour Party, you, Golden Bear and his dad supported, does not exist anymore, the rank and file members of todays Labour Party, are the middle class, London centric people, who YOU refer to as being Tories, and who yoo despise.

Replied: 16th Jul 2021 at 15:38

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (7813)

Yoo also used the word "AGHAST" now in anyone's 'language' that is a Tory word

Don't forget your roots Whuspy, and by that I don't mean your anything too doo with your hair.

As a Labour mon, yoo don't say "Aghast" yoo say "By the Crin"

Replied: 16th Jul 2021 at 15:46

Posted by: whups (6619) 

why dont you concern yourself with canadian issues broady & leave us to ponder our issues seeing you did a runner.

Replied: 16th Jul 2021 at 16:48

Posted by: whups (6619) 

workshy your still creaming the system arnt you & i do my bit for charity as iv,e just donated to wigan infirmay,s still birth charity. your charity doesent exits.

Replied: 16th Jul 2021 at 16:50

Posted by: whups (6619) 

1stroke which dictionary did you look that up as it,s well above your intelligence & for your information the labour party will ALWAYS exist

Replied: 16th Jul 2021 at 16:51
Last edited by whups: 16th Jul 2021 at 16:53:04

Posted by: broady (17185) 

Usual answer eh Paddy. British Citizen and don't you forget it. Paid more into the system than you ever did. Did you ever tell us your work record after Golborne??? Probably doesn't exist.

Replied: 16th Jul 2021 at 16:59

Posted by: whups (6619) 

listen wideboy you decided to run so i care not on wot you paid in & i think your so called "work" record is based on falling asleep in those pipes you were supposed to be laying . you cant call anyone & i,m still paying in because there taking half of my pension fund so your a million miles behing me & you stopped paying in years ago.

Replied: 16th Jul 2021 at 17:06

Posted by: broady (17185) 

More trash. The more you post the more your Irish background is evident. You don’t need to worry about the NHS you can’t have much left to be done. As a goodwill gesture you can use my share. Have a good day and try to get some fresh air instead of being on your computer all day.

Replied: 16th Jul 2021 at 17:13

Posted by: gaffer (6840) 

During the next few months we’ll see the government’s tax raising plans to enable care for the elderly to be combined with the NHS and cater for a properly funded system. It’s been on the cards for donkeys years. Several £ billions will be required and new taxes will be explored. A hot favourite is that all pensioners will have to pay National Insurance. No doubt it will be seen by Whups as another Tory plot.

GB. You’re entitled to your opinion re foreign aid. There is a majority in the country agreeing with you.
Care workers here in the UK have had a raw deal for ages. A couple of £ billion transferred to the care system from the overseas aid budget each year would give them better pay and conditions and provide a good service to more of our deserving pensioners who currently struggle through each day without assistance.

Replied: 16th Jul 2021 at 17:24

Posted by: retep1949 (698)

Every resident in the UK pays tax in some form and this money should stay in the UK.If people want to donate to other countries that's ok with me,it is their choice.Nearly seventy years ago as a child I remember our school and church collecting money for some charity,I think it was Oxfam,but after all these years there is still the same problem.Where has all the billions and billions of pounds gone?I think we all know the answer.Money is not the answer.

Replied: 16th Jul 2021 at 19:28

Posted by: cheshirecat (204) 

Posted by: gaffer (6747) [View gaffer's page]

"During the next few months we’ll see the government’s tax raising plans to enable care for the elderly to be combined with the NHS and cater for a properly funded system. It’s been on the cards for donkeys years. Several £ billions will be required and new taxes will be explored."

Its a tory plot to claw the billions (150 plus billion and still rising!) back from leaving the European Union. Now that is a waste of British taxpayers money.

Replied: 16th Jul 2021 at 21:53
Last edited by cheshirecat: 16th Jul 2021 at 21:55:02

Posted by: whups (6619) 

yes i do gaffer & you never put anything on here about money being syphoned out of the country . you have just read cheshire cats responce on your "assessment " of tory policy on the care sector which they hav,nt done a blind thing to help . maybe you shud put down the spectator & pick up the daily mirror which has a full double page spread on this very issue & i suppose you will also turn a blind eye on the tory plan on removing the triple lock policy too.

Replied: 16th Jul 2021 at 23:53

Posted by: broady (17185) 

So I presume Labour are a walk in at the next election with all these poor Tory policies Paddy.

Replied: 17th Jul 2021 at 05:09

Posted by: sonlyme (2876)

Tony Blair started the sell off when labour was in power.

Replied: 17th Jul 2021 at 08:24

Posted by: bluesfan (1599)

How much better off will you all be because of this in a financial sense? Will you get a nice rebate? Just wondering

Replied: 17th Jul 2021 at 08:49

Posted by: retep1949 (698)

It would have very little impact financially on most people but you cannot keep throwing money at a dead duck there must be other ways,it has gone on too long.

Replied: 17th Jul 2021 at 10:01

Posted by: PeterP (8782)

The more money we throw away on foreign aid the more some politians get richer by being part of the charities involvedCharities are a multi billion pound industry and billions get syphoned off ever year. If we stop sending aid to the war torn countries then the people will see how much is spent on everything but the people it should be used for.No more military use no more palaces no more space race to Mars the list is endless

Replied: 17th Jul 2021 at 11:34

Posted by: whups (6619) 

who knows abram jerk.

Replied: 17th Jul 2021 at 12:05

Posted by: whups (6619) 

so peterp you dont mind the rich & big businesses sending their money out of the country & paying no tax ? . netflix are doing exactly that & getting your tax money too boot ? .

Replied: 17th Jul 2021 at 12:08

Posted by: grimshaw (2879) 

Well said whups .

Replied: 17th Jul 2021 at 12:17

Posted by: frecky (248)

Wonder what would happen if all these big businesses pulled out of this country......

Replied: 17th Jul 2021 at 14:05

Posted by: PeterP (8782)

Whups that is up to the powers that be to make the rich and big business pay what is due We are being screwed left and right and it is up to the high paid lawyers/accountants to sort that mess out. Just like our illegal immigrants who are crossing the channel or the grooming gangs ,we has joe public know its wrong but there are clever people who we would love to book out of the country also who say its against their human rights to get rid of them

Replied: 17th Jul 2021 at 14:31

Posted by: cheshirecat (204) 

Biggest culprit of tax avoidence loopholes in the UK is Amazon. The glorified £1 shop.
I would not buy a pack of pork scratchings off that company.

Replied: 17th Jul 2021 at 18:25

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (7813)

Poppycock!

Replied: 17th Jul 2021 at 18:33

Posted by: retep1949 (698)

I bet there are few on here who fiddle their taxes !

Replied: 18th Jul 2021 at 08:17

Posted by: whups (6619) 

the powers that be are the torys who brought it out in the 1st place so can you see them overturning their very own law peterp . it,s designed soley for the rich of which david cameron,s father made an absolute fortune on adviseing the rich on where to send it & in fact when PM cameron berated jimmy carr on moral grounds then we suddenly found out he had some stashed away ? .

Replied: 18th Jul 2021 at 12:43

Posted by: GOLDEN BEAR (3997) 

WHUPS ;; I only supported johnson for hi stopping the aid going to all these countries where its being intercepted by the thieving politicians and corrupt army junta's that's all ,as for giving him any other sort of support he can whistle dixie GB

Replied: 18th Jul 2021 at 14:53

Posted by: GOLDEN BEAR (3997) 

GAFFER;; Why thank you for your comment GAFF it is not rocket science is it ,instead of giving it year on year on year give to our own people ,
AFTER ALL THEY DO SAY CHARITY BEGINS AT HOME ,DON'T THEY ??? GB

Replied: 18th Jul 2021 at 14:59

Posted by: cheshirecat (204) 

Don't support him too much and get excited about it, Goldenbear
He's not stopped it, he's only reduced it slightly.
And that is only a temporary measure as it will be back to normal contributions in a few months

Replied: 18th Jul 2021 at 16:07

Posted by: whups (6619) 

alan when the likes of bernie & tamara eccleston who dont pay a buck bean into our system get a fire at their muti million pound home in london they expect the fire service to show up & put it out . when they get robbed as in tamara eccleston,s case they expect the police to turn up . is this fair ? .

Replied: 18th Jul 2021 at 23:56

Posted by: broady (17185) 

In October 2019 it was reported in the Sun that he was ready to pay ONE billion in back taxes after he lost a case to HMRC. Did he never pay that amount?

Replied: 19th Jul 2021 at 00:23

Posted by: whups (6619) 

i think not.

Replied: 19th Jul 2021 at 01:37

Posted by: broady (17185) 

Yes or no. You implied he didn’t pay tax.

Replied: 19th Jul 2021 at 02:31

Posted by: gaffer (6840) 

Broady

Ecclestone paid his tax on earnings normally. The back tax referred to an overseas trust fund the ownership of which was disputed. If he owned it he would have to pay tax on money earned from investments held by the trust. If it was owned by a family member based overseas there would be no liability for UK tax. It sounds like his advisers didn’t brief him fully or made a mistake in drawing up the trust deed.

Tax

Replied: 19th Jul 2021 at 08:26

Posted by: broady (17185) 

So he had paid a “ buck bean” into the system and probably a bit more. Keep the fire engine rolling.

Replied: 19th Jul 2021 at 08:36

Posted by: whups (6619) 

no he dosnt . but maybe you can convince yourself with gaffers false data .

Replied: 19th Jul 2021 at 12:22

Posted by: gaffer (6840) 

The world can show you the truth but, alas, no one can force you to accept it.

Replied: 19th Jul 2021 at 12:28

Posted by: whups (6619) 

still getting your info from "the spectator" gaffer.

Replied: 19th Jul 2021 at 12:58

Posted by: cheshirecat (204) 

Posted by: gaffer
" It sounds like his advisers didn’t brief him fully or made a mistake in drawing up the trust deed."

Are you serious!
It sounds like to me ( and the HMRC) like his advisors and possibly himself were blatantly trying to avoid paying tax But they got found out

Replied: 19th Jul 2021 at 14:56

Posted by: GOLDEN BEAR (3997) 

WHUPS : Alan here of course mate it is utterly immoral fairness does not come into it. If the like of the ecclestone's and other's of that ilk are doing that well how's about this for starter's 1st say to them look if you dont pay your taxes that is acrued in the uk then quite simply we will take your british passport of you and you can go live in the likes of Morrocco eg . That is my view and opinion stop pandering to these sorts and do something meaningful ....GB

Replied: 19th Jul 2021 at 15:13

Posted by: gaffer (6840) 

It took almost 200 years for the uk tax legislation to reach 4,555 pages by 1997. In 8 years Gordon Brown doubled it to 9,050 pages. The current issue of Tolley’s yellow tax handbook is over 18,000 pages. It is so complex that London tax barristers can charge up to £10,000 per hour to offer advice.
Invariably there is no yes or no answer to complex tax disputes. In the case of Bernie Ecclestone’ s overseas trust deed it was originally under the control of his ex wife who was based in the same country where the trust deed was lodged. In that case there would not have been any liability for uk tax

Replied: 19th Jul 2021 at 15:37

Posted by: broady (17185) 

“ Gaffer’s false data” You can of course produce proof he hasn’t paid any tax. I look forward to you disproving Gaffer. However I won’t hold my breath.

Replied: 19th Jul 2021 at 15:47

Posted by: cheshirecat (204) 

Posted by: gaffer
"London tax barristers can charge up to £10,000 per hour to offer advice."

If you intend paying tax ( not avoiding it ) and doing everything above board a simple phone call to HMRC or your local tax office will offer advice and believe it or not they wont charge you 10 Grand per hour

Replied: 19th Jul 2021 at 16:05

Posted by: broady (17185) 

Cheshirecat,
It is called market demand. They aren't after family credit or similar. They are looking for legal ways to save figures we can't write. If there are 18,000 pages there must be a loophole. Quite often the schemes fail and they have to pay up as was the case with Bernie whatever. Once the case has been to the highest appeal court I don't think HMRC will sit back waiting for payment. They will pursue.

Replied: 19th Jul 2021 at 17:24
Last edited by broady: 19th Jul 2021 at 17:25:13

Posted by: cheshirecat (204) 

Thanks for explaining that, Broady
I don't think it will affect me!
But if I paid a London barrister £10,000 for advice, I would expect a return. Pardon the pun

Replied: 19th Jul 2021 at 18:22
Last edited by cheshirecat: 19th Jul 2021 at 18:23:26

Posted by: whups (6619) 

maybe it,s because they are sending their money out of the country & not liable to pay any tax ? . i named bernie & tamara ecclestone as examples but they are all doin it . maybe gaffer can tell you wot netflix are doing ?

Replied: 20th Jul 2021 at 14:32

Posted by: basil brush (16819)

And then shitty patel goes and gives the frogs 54 million pound.

Replied: 22nd Jul 2021 at 08:54

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (7813)

And there is no garlic to be had anywhere

Replied: 22nd Jul 2021 at 10:04

Posted by: whups (6619) 

i see gaffer is reluctant to answer my question ? .

Replied: 22nd Jul 2021 at 12:07

Posted by: whups (6619) 

still no answer ? .

Replied: 25th Jul 2021 at 11:59

Posted by: Stardelta (8358)

"when the likes of bernie & tamara eccleston who dont pay a buck bean into our system get a fire at their muti million pound home in london they expect the fire service to show up & put it out . when they get robbed as in tamara eccleston,s case they expect the police to turn up . is this fair ?".

If council tax is being paid on the property I cant see how anyone could claim otherwise!!!

Replied: 25th Jul 2021 at 16:27

Posted by: frecky (248)

I asked if all these firms took there business out of the country what would happen , no one answered.....well, in my opinion unemployment would rocket, tax from the ex-workforce would diminish, this would cost a fortune in benefits and rents wouldn't be paid causing evictions and a rise in homelessness ..... I don't like the way these big firms get away with not paying what we think is their fare share of tax, but this country and it's population would be a lot worse off if they all buggered off....btw, I am retired and still pay income tax....

Replied: 25th Jul 2021 at 19:04

Posted by: broady (17185) 

Well put frecky. Sadly not everyone can see the big picture. Warts and all.

Replied: 25th Jul 2021 at 19:18
Last edited by broady: 25th Jul 2021 at 19:19:20

Posted by: gaffer (6840) 

Freaky,

The driving force for Inward investment is the need to provide long term good quality employment. The investment also brings substantial revenues for the exchequer from business rates and employer national insurance.
Global employers can obtain corporation tax relief on such as intellectual property rights held by the company head office.For example the Irish corporation tax rate is 12.5% but extra allowances can bring it down to 7%. This low level has given Ireland a solid employment base of skilled and well paid jobs provided by mainly US tech companies. Those jobs wouldn’t exist without the low level of corporate taxation.
You’re spot on with your observation that the UK would be a much diminished economy if our overseas investors departed.

Replied: 25th Jul 2021 at 19:53

Posted by: frecky (248)

At last some common sense prevails....

Replied: 25th Jul 2021 at 21:55

Posted by: whups (6619) 

so show me when council tax is being paid on those properties . i think you may find that they are rented from a shell company owned by themselves .

Replied: 26th Jul 2021 at 00:02

Posted by: broady (17185) 

Even IF you are correct you still have to pay council tax on the properties.

Replied: 26th Jul 2021 at 04:33

Posted by: Anne (4002) 

Is it tax avoidance or tax evasion being cited, there is a difference?
How many on these boards have ISAs? I have. No tax to pay on a certain amount each year. Is that tax fiddling?
There are many, many ways to avoid a tax bill, even a simpleton such as myself has been advised of a few.

Replied: 26th Jul 2021 at 09:50

Posted by: whups (6619) 

if all they have to worry about is council tax ecclestone & his cohorts are laughing all the way to the bank.

Replied: 26th Jul 2021 at 12:06

Posted by: bentlegs (4669)

All this has become aload of rubish, Not one of you know what you are talking about, bring it back to the family site like it used to be, No wonder the old posters have stopped posting.I blame Tommy two

Replied: 6th Aug 2021 at 13:25

Posted by: bentlegs (4669)

All this has become aload of rubish, Not one of you know what you are talking about, bring it back to the family site like it used to be, No wonder the old posters have stopped posting.I blame Tommy two stroke.

Replied: 6th Aug 2021 at 13:27

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (7813)

Me

Wot have I done wrong

Replied: 6th Aug 2021 at 13:27

Posted by: whups (6619) 

your quite right bentlegs but dont expect him to accept it because he never does.

Replied: 6th Aug 2021 at 15:48

Posted by: broady (17185) 

Plenty worse than TOMMY.

Replied: 6th Aug 2021 at 16:17

Posted by: gaffer (6840) 

TTS

Carry on as normal, as Corporal Jones would say, ‘they don’t like it up ‘em’.

Replied: 6th Aug 2021 at 16:30

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (7813)

Will doo sir

Replied: 6th Aug 2021 at 17:01

Posted by: broady (17185) 

Interesting post on the thread that us " mere mortals" aren't allowed to post on earlier:

"hi *** ha,vnt heard from you for a while . hows it going mate. "

Didn't he do " a runner" overseas? Seems as though there are double standards applied on here. Sorry to digress. Have a good day.

Replied: 6th Aug 2021 at 17:05

Posted by: whups (6619) 

your just a cheap shot charlie broady & gaffer you failed on answering my question on netflix so you dont carry on as your false anyway .

Replied: 6th Aug 2021 at 17:13

Posted by: broady (17185) 

" a cheap shot Charlie" Right then. You are the most repetitive boring poster on here who appears to be inherently jealous of anyone that you perceive to have something you haven't. Lots of your statements are total bollox. This us and them mentality went out with the Ark. Now rouse yourself from your computer chair and go and sample some fresh air instead of being on here all day and night. Have a nice day Paddy.

Replied: 6th Aug 2021 at 17:30

Posted by: grimshaw (2879) 

" Us and them mentality went out with the Ark " he says .
This site is full of brexiteers who practiced the us and them mentality.You are having a laugh i presume . .

Replied: 6th Aug 2021 at 18:12

Posted by: broady (17185) 

I am not concerned about Brexit. Nowt to do with me. Are you another that would deny your fellow citizens the right to cast a vote in a democratic society? ( unless of course they agreed with you) The people spoke. Accept it and move on.

Acute shortage of HGV drivers over here also.

Replied: 6th Aug 2021 at 18:17

Posted by: broady (17185) 

I see a bunch of celebs, including David B have been successful in having a “ tax avoidance” scheme declared legal and HMRC refused leave to appeal. Some quite large figures being quoted.

Replied: 6th Aug 2021 at 23:03

Posted by: whups (6619) 

well there,s a suprise (not) seems iv,e been banging on & it maybe repedative but it seems it,s been the truth all along .and yes broady you are a cheap shot charlie because of your incessant looking up for my posts just to have a dig . also you team up with the likes of laughing boy who snipes at you but you ignore it because he,s having a go at me . as far as being democratic there,s nothing democratic on a vote that affects all of us here in the UK thats based on a pack of lies by the likes of reese-mogg , tim martin ,nigel farrage & chris grayling .have a nice day .

Replied: 6th Aug 2021 at 23:58
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Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (7813)

It's 'Bent like Beckham' there is a film title there

Replied: 7th Aug 2021 at 00:21

Posted by: broady (17185) 

Comment withdrawn. Can’t be bothered.

Replied: 7th Aug 2021 at 05:45
Last edited by broady: 7th Aug 2021 at 09:17:52

Posted by: frecky (248)

Replied: 7th Aug 2021 at 11:21

 

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