Something happening at Golborne!

Does anyone know what is going on in the field, corner of East Lanc's Rd and Newton Lane/Rob Lane in Golborne. All the soil has been scraped and the field marked out.

The last planning application submitted for there was by Vodaphone, for a 15 metre high mast.

By the way, it's not Golborne, it's Haydock.

sorry Tonker it's golborne the boundry only changes further down the lanc's The advert for the stoncross pub/Hotel says Haydock but it's not It's Lowton.

The land there is part of Legh Estates (Lord Newton) ...

Dean Dam Farm,
East Lancashire Road,
Haydock,
St Helens,
Merseyside.

The planning applications for the area are on St.Helens Planning Portal.

Dean Dam Farm might be in Haydock but that piece of land is in Golborne.!!!!

Not if it's on the East Lancs / Newton Road junction it ain't!!!!!!
All the land off Newton Road is within Haydock Park Estate.

Do you mean Warrington Road?

FOR GOODNESS SAKE.......


DOES IT MATTER.....

Yes, certainly it does!

newton Lane not newton Rd!!!!

Yes, Newton Lane is what I meant, my mistake. It's in Haydock, not Golborne. Like I said, if you require any information about that area, dlanor, consult St.Helens Council's 'planning portal'.

Wrong again Tonker. When will you ever learn?.

The Americans stationed on Haydock Park racecourse during
the last war referred to it in their military history as
Golborn Park ( no e ).

The main thing is that "something is happening" whether it be in Golborne or Haydock - something is happening !
Which I am sure you will all agree is a rare occurence

Just looked on st helens planning, the mast that Tonker refers to is just off Rob lane near to the M6 and is in Newton not Haydock, the development in question is at the side of the East lanc's and in Golborne Wigan.

http://secure.sthelens.net:8080/CMSWEBNET/whereILive/whereILiveJs.do?uprn=39050532

Dlanor, you're a really stubborn owd bugger!

Let me explain the situation .....

'Rob Lane', which YOU mentioned in your original post, is nowhere near the East Lancs Road. Rob Lane is in Newton le Willows. The development you mention isn't at Rob Lane, is it?.
So, WHY have you gone searching for 'Rob Lane' on the St.Helens site?????

THIS is the application I was meaning .....

St.Helens Council Planning Portal/Newton Lane Haydock

Newton Lane, before it changes to Rob Lane, is in Haydock. The point at which the name changes, is the point where Haydock becomes Newton le Willows.

Now, you DID mention that the development was taking place at the 'juction of Newton Lane and the East Lancs Road'.
The land on either side of that junction is part and parcel of Dean Dam farm. It all belongs to Legh Estates. It is part and parcel of Haydock Park Estate, and it is IN Haydock.

If you've now changed your mind, and the development is off Rob Lane, then OK., it's not in Haydock. If the development is off Warrington Road, near to the traffic island, again, it's not in Haydock.

BUT .... if you are sticking with what you said, that the development you seek information about is alongside the 'Newton Lane and East Lancs Road junction', it is IN Haydock, NOT Golborne.

Here's a link to show you .........

St.Helens Council Planning Portal. (type Dean Dam Farm into the 'address' box, then press 'search').

Dennisd said, '... something is happening !
Which I am sure you will all agree is a rare occurence'.

For something to be 'happening' on that farm, Dennis, isn't at all 'unusual'. It's a 'working farm' adjacent to a large golf course, which happens to be called 'Haydock Park Golf Club'.

Tonker! most people know Newton Hollows as Rob Lane but it only changes to Rob Lane at the bottom near the the M6, and that is the only reason I put.

Does anyone know what is going on in the field, corner of East Lanc's Rd and Newton Lane/Rob Lane in Golborne. All the soil has been scraped and the field marked out.

and Tonker jumped in with both feet.

It's probably something to do with the farm, dlanor. It can't be anything requiring planning permission, can it?, as none has been applied for, has it?

And, By the way, it's not Golborne, it's Haydock.

PS. ... it seems to be YOUR feet, not mine, that are covered in mud!


PS., have you noticed that all the trees have been cut back, all along, towards Haydock Island and also within the woods, around the fishing ponds?
Haydock Park Farm house is being refurbished at the moment, could it be anything to do with that? ie: new access? Possibly to the fishing ponds for Newton Anglers Club?

Tonker! have a look at this, the black line is the boundary.
the top of Newton Lane is in Golborne.

http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?x=361500&y=397500&z=120&sv=golborne&st=3&tl=Map+of+Golborne,+Wigan+[City/Town/Village]&searchp=ids.srf&mapp=map.srf

ps My feet are spotless.

Dlanor, the black 'dash-dot' line on that map is showing the boundary between 'local authority areas', not places.
There is a distinct difference between a 'place', which has a name, and a 'local authority' or 'council' area.
Some 'places' ie: Ashton in Makerfield, Appley Bridge, Billinge, to name but three, are split between councils, but there is no change to the names of the actual places.

Did you not know that?

A large part of Ashton in Makerfield is in St.Helens, but it hasn't stopped being Ashton in Makerfield. Part of Billinge is in the Metropolitan Borough of Wigan, most of it is in St.Helens, but it's still Billinge.
Haydock Park Golf Club is in Haydock, but it's in the Metropolitan Borough of Wigan for local government purposes.
Here's another one, the three houses built opposite the racecourse entrance, called Chelwood Park, are in Haydock, even though they've got an Ashton telephone code, a Wigan postal address and the people who live there know they are in Haydock, but say it's Ashton, because 'We can see Ashton from the front of the house'.

Folk are just, generally, daft. The closer to Wigan, the worse they get!

PS. ... Your feet aren't as clear as you thought. Your general knowledge is quite murky too!

it's golborne admit it

I've nothing to admit, because it's in Haydock. Haydock Park is part of Haydock, otherwise it would be called Golborne Park, which it's not!

Did you know that part of the 'Haydock' family after who Haydock was named, live here in New Zealand.

Dennis, you'll find that the family took the name of the place, not the other way round. The name started as 'de Haydock', meaning 'of Haydock', the 'de' eventually being dropped.

nobody said anything about Haydock Park!!! you are on the wrong side of the crossing, do you even know where the field is??? you come from Ashton!!do you ever come to Golborne? seems to me you just like to argue about anything.

instead of just arguing that you know best put your money on the line and prove that this is Haydock and not Golborne. prove it.

Regardless of which side of the crossing is referred to, if it's in a field, and it's adjacent to the Newton Lane / East Lancs Road junction, then it belongs to Dean Dam Farm, it's within Haydock Park Estate, and it's in Haydock.

so you mean to say that a farm cannot have land in side two boundaries,!we'll say the land on park Rd Golborne belongs to Dean Dam Farm ok! so now that land is now in Haydock!?????.
There are many farms who pay rates to two Authorities. and another question do you know for certain this particular field belongs Dean Dam Farm, it possibly belongs to Boydells!

It belongs to Legh Estates, it's within Haydock Park, Haydock. That is regardless of whatever local authority area its in.

so all along the east lanc's from Golborne Island to Newton road belongs to Legh estates!! you got a copy of the deeds in front of you??? I believe they own a piece of land in the centre of Golborne does that mean it's actually Haydock,!!?

I think by now everyone who has looked at this thread is fed up with this stupid bantering, Tonker will never admit he's wrong.??? I rest my case. just to remind everyone this started with a request to find out what was happening on a piece of land in Golborne/haydock/Newton

Dlanor, you don't know much about your surroundings, do you?

You ask, 'so all along the east lanc's from Golborne Island to Newton road belongs to Legh estates!! you got a copy of the deeds in front of you'???

Dlanor, ALL land belongs to the crown. Legh Estates (Lord Newton) holds all that area for the crown.

Who did you think 'owned' it? Wigan Council? Ha, Haaaa!

Tonker I don't give a S***t end of story

NOT END OF STORY AT ALL!

'Cos, I've found out what's going on, for YOU of course!

It's United Utilities. They are laying a £125 million, 1.2 metre bore water pipeline, 54 milometres long, part buried and part overland, from Woodgate Hill (Bury) to Prescot (Knowsley).

DO I GET AN ORANGE?

PS. Apparently, it won't be going through Wigan Council Area (metropolitan borough of wigan).

You could, at least, say 'thanks' for finding out for you!

Golborne has more going for it than Haydock

How do you make that out, Kerry?

Match this lot ....
Haydock Park Racecourse, Haydock Park Golf Club, The transport hub of the north west region title, busiest petrol station site in the north of England, Haydock industrial estates, Tesco, Aldi, Iceland, Lymewood Farm pub/restaurant, an unmatched history of coal mining ........ er. ....... hmmmm., only one murder in the last ten years, ... and the streets ued to be paved with gold (but not now, because it's all been nicked) ........

So, go on then, what's Golborne got, eh.? Even the United Utilities new pipeline has by-passed it!

oooh,first of all Haydock Park Racecourse may begin at Haydock but does go over the boundaries into Golborne via Keepers.
Golborne does just as well as Haydock in amenities.Its not the back end of nowhere you know.
We have industrial estates with some thriving business located on them.We also have a nature reserve.We have an Asda,Lidl and some lovely little shops.We also have two new shops that have opened recently.We have the best pie shop around.We have a number of restaurants,hairdressers,and a cobbler,newsagents,opticians and a late night chemist as well that as just opened up.
We have an original Roman path and Golborne is mentioned in the Doomsday Book.The Queen Anne pub has lots of history to it with Cromwell stopping over one night there on route to battle.
We have a fantastic mining history and a Golf Course.We also have a town square and until recently a carnival every May.
See,tonker,Golborne has got alot to offer and i would say slightly more than Haydock going off my calculations!

Oh., Kerry, what a load of twaddle ....

Non of Haydock Racecourse is in Golborne.
Golborne has NO golf course.
Golborne's mining history is overshadowed by Haydock's.
Golborne is NOT listed in the Domesday Book.
Roman path? The M6 motorway runs through Haydock!

Golborne industrial estate? Thriving business? Do me a favour!
How can it compare with Booker, Sainsbury, Asda, Shell, Costco, Pataks, Vimto, TNT, Tufnells, Transitional Rehabilitation Unit (TRU), Manheim Auctions, Bookpeople, KapaK Foods ... the list is endless.

In actual fact, both Haydock and Golborne are crap, but Golborne is far more crap than Haydock will ever be!

Cheeeeeeeese and Dog Meeeeeeeat!

You really need to brush up on your Golborne facts, tonker.I have walked through Keepers in Golborne on many a Saturday afternoon when the races have been on and part of the race course leads out onto Keepers in Golborne.The officials usually open the gates at the bottom end where the horses run and its definately on the Golborne side.We have the Sycamores golf range on Ashton Road.We are also mentioned in the Doomesday Book.
Golborne

I do wish that folks would stick to the request for info. We have a very slow internet and by the time it is all loaded all I get is arguments as to boarders / towns etc..... it's not big and it's not clever!

Kerry, don't be misled by what you read in Wikipedia. It's all 5hite!
You'll find that the Golborne which gets mentioned in the Domesday Book is Golborne near Chester. The reason Golborne isn't mentioned in the Domesday Book is the same reason as Wigan isn't mentioned, because they were parts of Newton and only Newton gets listed.

Back to Haydock Park. The racecourse is 'entirely' within Haydock Park Estate. Keepers Wood is within Haydock Park Estate as well, not in Golborne.

You can hardly call a golf 'driving range' in the same league as an 18 hole course! Ooooooh, Kerry!

Boarders, Carol? Boarders? Do you mean 'Borders'? Your a proper Wiganer you are, Carol!

ooooo you are a clever boy Tonk

am i bovvered

hehe! awww c'mon! tonker is just being tonker.lighten up everyone.
The race course does however stretch into Golborne.oh yes it does! and i didnt know that there was a Golborne near to Chester.See i have been enlightened!

neither did i kerry and i live near chester.....

What is "an Ashton telephone code"? How can you tell it from a Wigan one?

01942 7..... i think

Watch it, you, Fred RAWBottom!

Well done Trixie for answering the question!

I'm not sure that's the answer, Trixie.
What if you wanted to phone, say, the Cross Keys pub (on your mobile, for the sake of argument)? However you want to describe its exact location, it's in Ashton, quite a long way from any potential 'boundary' pedantry. The number is 274630. What's the code?
Me, I'd be using the code 01942. Same as for Wigan.
Perhaps Tonker can explain?

Come on you lot - stay focussed! Stop points scoring! What is the answer to the question .... I have to wait for ~ 5 mins for this down load - could not give a toss about boundaries - it's bout a piece of land!!

gerr away with yer botherjackdog

Carol .... Your head is, quite rightly, so battered after waiting 5 minutes for your link-up that you've missed the answer, which I gave about four days ago.
Here it is again .....

'It's United Utilities. They are laying a £125 million, 1.2 metre bore water pipeline, 54 milometres long, part buried and part overland, from Woodgate Hill (Bury) to Prescot (Knowsley)'

Don't be getting ratty, Trixie
Just 'copying' the antics of another rather finickity poster...

hey i.m not ratty and "another fineckity poster"

I'm very placid me...i'll have you know...