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Started by: tonker (24621) 

....... that, historically, Wigan was a part of Newton le Willows?

Started: 13th Mar 2013 at 19:37

Posted by: Pam (454) 

No . . and nothing against Newton le Willows . . . but why?

BTW Tonker I'm a Platt Wazzer . . . is that Wigan or what is it? Please, not St Helens

Replied: 13th Mar 2013 at 19:55

Posted by: jono1568 (413)

That's not quite correct. Wigan was not part of newton le Willows, but it was in the same manor as Newton le Willows. Being in the same manor did not mean any towns or villages within that manor were part of each other, especially if there was several miles of open countryside between them.

Replied: 13th Mar 2013 at 20:58

Posted by: tonker (24621) 

Ah! You mean rather like Pemberton, Ince, Hindley etc., etc., etc., are NOT parts of Wigan, even though they're under the same local government authority?

Er., by the way jono, is this the five minute argument or the full half hour?

Replied: 13th Mar 2013 at 22:20

Posted by: i-spy (15034) 

I'm still trying to work out why Lowton is in Warrington.Or is it.

Replied: 13th Mar 2013 at 22:36

Posted by: tonker (24621) 

No. It's always been in Lowton.

Replied: 13th Mar 2013 at 22:37

Posted by: i-spy (15034) 

and where does St Helens end and Widnes begin. (both are near Wigan by the way if you believe what you read).

Replied: 13th Mar 2013 at 22:39

Posted by: tonker (24621) 

To answer your question, I have to say Widnes isn't next to St.Helens.
You see, Widnes is a town in it's own right, under the authority of Halton Borough Council, along with other towns. St.Helens is nothing but an authority area.

St.Helens ends and Halton begins where Sutton ends and Lunts Heath / Farnworth / Cronton begin.

Of course, St,Helens and Widnes are near to Wigan, although I wouldn't like to walk it with a stone in my shoe!

Replied: 13th Mar 2013 at 23:00
Last edited by tonker: 13th Mar 2013 at 23:03:24

Posted by: lizziedownunder (7277) 

So here comes my question Tonker........if I was born in Billinge Hospital and my birth certificate was registered in the sub-district of Orrell.....in the District of Ince in the county of Lancaster in 1949.......what would I call myself.....just for the record in the 1949 boundaries.....Thankyou for your time in advance........

Replied: 14th Mar 2013 at 01:01

Posted by: Mac (inactive)

Hundred reasons!

Replied: 14th Mar 2013 at 10:48

Posted by: erontquay (inactive)

Lizzie, dont get him started

Replied: 14th Mar 2013 at 13:26

Posted by: tonker (24621) 

Lizzie, you were born in Billinge Hospital, in Billinge, in the Ince in Makerfield registration subdistrict of Orrell, in the Liverpool ecclesiastical diocese, in Lancashire, in England, in the United Kingdom.

But, the bottom line is, the place you were born in is 'BILLINGE' and it's boundaries have never changed.

You may call yourself Elizabeth. Lizzie for short!

Replied: 14th Mar 2013 at 13:30

Posted by: Pam (454) 

I think I get it. Wigan is a town but it is also an authority. So I am from Platt Bridge, not Wigan, but the authority area of Wigan.

Replied: 14th Mar 2013 at 13:38

Posted by: tonker (24621) 

Keeeeeeerchiiiiiiing!

Finally, the penny drops!

Actually, Wigan isn't an authority. Wigan COUNCIL is the authority. It's the government, and the area they have authority over is the Wigan borough.

Replied: 14th Mar 2013 at 13:44
Last edited by tonker: 14th Mar 2013 at 13:46:22

Posted by: Pam (454) 

I do get it.

Thanks Tonker.

Its obvious now - doh!

Replied: 14th Mar 2013 at 14:02

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)



Now, Pam, sit back and watch how folk get aeriated (sp) when Tonker tells them they aren't Wiganers.

Pedantic, but he don't half get some going.

Replied: 14th Mar 2013 at 14:39

Posted by: Pam (454) 

I will now I understand

Replied: 14th Mar 2013 at 16:24

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)

I really enjoy it.

The arguments he gets about post codes etc.

Folk from Pem are usually the first to bite.

I really do think it's an envy thing with him.

Replied: 14th Mar 2013 at 16:55

Posted by: lizziedownunder (7277) 

As we don't have pennies here our smallest coin is a 5cent piece, I am going to throw it up in the air and let it drop.......I too with Pam can see the light at the end of the tunnel finally ......thank you.....from me ....Lizzie.....short for Elizabeth........

Replied: 14th Mar 2013 at 17:53

Posted by: tonker (24621) 

Replied: 14th Mar 2013 at 19:45

Posted by: lizziedownunder (7277) 

I get a bit peed off when things won't play on my iPad ......message across the screen....add to your play list and watch later on a PC......hooohummmm.......

Replied: 14th Mar 2013 at 20:14

Posted by: jono1568 (413)

Er., by the way jono, is this the five minute argument or the full half hour?

I've told you once

Replied: 14th Mar 2013 at 21:11

Posted by: Cadfael (inactive)

by dosthingy...
Now, Pam, sit back and watch how folk get aeriated (sp) when Tonker tells them they aren't Wiganers.

Pedantic, but he don't half get some going.


Actually... I look at it the other way. I like watching the Tonk bust his blood vessels telling Wiganers they are not Wiganers. It is like tuning up an 'owd fiddle with him.

For instance... I also come from Platt Bridge and I AM A WIGANER.

Replied: 2nd Apr 2013 at 07:54
Last edited by Cadfael: 2nd Apr 2013 at 07:56:07

Posted by: lizziedownunder (7277) 

I was born in Billinge Hospital....I am a Wiganer!!!!!!

Replied: 2nd Apr 2013 at 11:43

Posted by: dustaf (inactive)

'It is like tuning up an 'owd fiddle with him.'


Learning can of course be fun, can't it, Cadfael?



Replied: 2nd Apr 2013 at 14:27

Posted by: johnlythg (inactive)

I was born in Billinge Hospital as well, I am also a Wiganer. Tonker, who comes from somewhere else, has nothing to do with Wigan

Replied: 13th Apr 2013 at 16:31

Posted by: ©art© (6154)

Wigan is a (chartered) Market town listed in the Magna Carta.

yickerville is a dot on the map, somewhere approximately to the south of Wigan, ( colloquially "in the sticks")..

I believe they now have hot & cold running water these days

They also have (black & White)television, believe it or not

Replied: 14th Apr 2013 at 01:14
Last edited by ©art©: 14th Apr 2013 at 01:14:59

Posted by: dosco (inactive)

I was born in our front (best room) room in Belle Green Lane so I guess I'm well and truly an Incer

Replied: 14th Apr 2013 at 14:57

Posted by: baker boy (15586)

thought the m62 was near enough the st helens /widnes border.

Replied: 22nd Apr 2013 at 10:56

Posted by: atlas (164) 


me thinks a lie down in a dark room is in order

Replied: 22nd Apr 2013 at 13:13

Posted by: tonker (24621) 

BB, St.Helens is an authority area, a 'borough' if you like, whereas Widnes is a town of that name in another 'borough' called Halton.
St.Helens meets with Warrington and Halton, not far from the M62, but it doesn't touch Widnes.

Replied: 22nd Apr 2013 at 20:14

Posted by: i-spy (15034) 

I like Widnes.

Replied: 8th May 2013 at 20:28

Posted by: vera howarth (2584) 

The Newton-le-Willows connection to Wigan was an ecclesiastical one.Both areas were part of the West Derby Hundred.

Replied: 10th May 2013 at 09:17

Posted by: tonker (24621) 

Wigan was a berwick of the Manor of Newton. It is so written, by a pen made out of a feather, in the historical records. It cannot be denied!

And, using 'Wigan Logic', laaaaike, Newton le Willows is in St.Helens, so you're all St.Helensers. It's also in Merseyside, so you're all Scousers an'all !

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Replied: 13th Jun 2013 at 00:58
Last edited by tonker: 13th Jun 2013 at 13:06:09

Posted by: Mac (inactive)

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Replied: 13th Jun 2013 at 13:12
Last edited by Mac: 13th Jun 2013 at 13:13:08

Posted by: phred (349) 

I read somewhere that anybody born between the river Mersey and the river Douglas is a scouser!

Replied: 13th Jun 2013 at 19:09

Posted by: tonker (24621) 

But Manchester is between the River Mersey and the River Douglas, Phred! Are all the Mancs Scousers as well?

Replied: 16th Jun 2013 at 00:14

Posted by: nannysodoff (390)

I were a proud Athertonian(or Benter),then we got put under Wigan Council. Nothing at all wrong with Wigan,but things got done quicker when Leyth,Bent and Bongs had their own Councils,and Wigan could concentrate on Wigan,and not have to stretch their finances to cover extra areas!

Replied: 10th Jul 2013 at 15:10

Posted by: tonker (24621) 

"Wigan could concentrate on Wigan, and not have to stretch their finances to cover extra areas!"

Hang on a minute!!!! It's all the 'extra areas' that are stretching their finances to support Wigan, because it certainly can't support itself!

It's about time we returned to Urban District Councils. It would be better for all of us (except Wigan, of course, but who's bothered about that place? )


Replied: 10th Jul 2013 at 17:54

Posted by: wizzerwin (1573)

I'm lost, mi yed's gone after all that.

Replied: 10th Jul 2013 at 21:15

Posted by: Mac (inactive)

Simple answer to that, Tonkles, is You!

Replied: 11th Jul 2013 at 08:18

Posted by: baker boy (15586)

another ted heath Horlicks circa 1974

Replied: 4th Sep 2013 at 19:54

 

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