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National Mining Museum (Overton)

Started by: ena malcup (1541) 

(Former Caphouse Colliery)

Any of you been to visit?

I promised to take a group of neighbours for a day out visit to the place.

Covid restrictions put paid to that plan, but as we begin to return to normal, I guess I should sound out resurrecting the idea.

Grateful for any advice from anyone familiar with the place.

Best times
what to wear
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best stuff to see etc etc

Started: 9th Apr 2022 at 08:59

Posted by: Owd Codger (1003)

Ena Malcup

Well worth the visit above and below surface.

The pit yard is full of former underground locomotives and also the normal size steam locomotives and there is a exhibition about the mining industry. They even have a former underground locomotive with coaches running along a track in the pit yard.

For those more daring, you can also go down in the pit cage to view the conditions that miners endured.

Suggest that you look at their website which tells you all you need to know.

Enjoy!


Replied: 9th Apr 2022 at 09:20
Last edited by Owd Codger: 9th Apr 2022 at 09:26:31

Posted by: chris southworth (631)

I would recommend it ena. I was a mine surveyor and can say that it is very realistic. It is the only mining museum that actually has an authentic underground visit. Although 500 ft or so beneath the surface it is totally safe and the tours are guided by former miners. You will need to wear stout footwear, boots preferably but strong trainers are ok. It is all walking, no crawling about and is fairly even ground. There are also other attractions like an excellent mining museum and library, stables with pit ponies and a shire horse, and a very good restaurant. well worth a visit.

Replied: 9th Apr 2022 at 09:20

Posted by: Owd Codger (1003)

The National Mining Museums of Scotland and Wales at Newtowngrange (Lady Victoria Colliery) and Blaenarvon ( The Big Pit) are also worth a visit with the latter also having the former pit railway (now preserved) leading to the museum.

Replied: 9th Apr 2022 at 09:44

Posted by: ena malcup (1541) 

Thanks for replies, will show them to neighbours when I sound them out.

Also said I would drive us up to Gaping Gill, but, alas, I am gerrin a bit old for caving.



Cave rescue had to extract folk two years back.

We shall see.

Replied: 9th Apr 2022 at 10:13

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (10207)

I wish I had gone down't pit

Replied: 9th Apr 2022 at 10:35

Posted by: dougie (4853) 

The reality of mining in the 50s, It's not for me again, even for a look,

Replied: 9th Apr 2022 at 10:35

Posted by: PeterP (9504)

Promised to take grandkids now they are old enough

Replied: 9th Apr 2022 at 10:47

Posted by: Owd Codger (1003)

Tommy Two Stroke

I had three Uncle's who worked down pits in conditions which were terrible prior to the mining industry being nationalise and there was more concern about miner's safety underground.

Imagine what it was like in all the years prior to nationalisation when pit owners could not care less about safety in the knowledge that if one was killed or badly injured, there was always a man ready to replace them.

All three of them together with my father who was a engine driver on the surface, told me never to even think about it.

My Uncle's started being miners in the bad days of the thirties when because of the then depression, jobs were scarce and the only alternative to feeding your family was to go and stand outside a factory gate and hope you would be selected for a day's work, even go on slag heaps for coal waste to keep your self and your family warm.

Neither was there a benefit system like today to provide a income!

Replied: 9th Apr 2022 at 11:41
Last edited by Owd Codger: 9th Apr 2022 at 12:05:02

Posted by: tuddy (1204)

If you want to use the library for any research it's only open a couple of days a week, so it's worth emailing the librarian first.

Replied: 9th Apr 2022 at 20:37

Posted by: dougie (4853) 

Tuddy ? have you or any ex-miner the need to go down a pit ever again, they have seen it once and that should last for ever, I do understand PeterP taking his grandkids ( good on him) so should ever Dad that's not seen a pit take them self and their children and have a look

Replied: 10th Apr 2022 at 11:15

Posted by: tuddy (1204)

I've ben to the museum but I didn't do the underground tour, I was at a loose end one day and had a ride there just to see what it was about. Some good displays and a good library there, also the best pit canteen I've ever eaten in.

Replied: 12th Apr 2022 at 21:32

Posted by: Owd Codger (1003)

Schools today do not teach kids enough about working class history and the struggle to achieve the living standards of the today.

My Wife and I have been appalled at how little they know about the standard of living endured by our parents, grandparents etc or events like the Peterloo Massacre where ordinary people where killed for holding a peaceful gathering, living conditions, working conditions down the mines and factories, pit disasters , the two world wars etc, etc.

Things, which we were taught about when we were at school.

They no longer teach them right from wrong, manners or even common sense!

Replied: 13th Apr 2022 at 07:54
Last edited by Owd Codger: 13th Apr 2022 at 08:01:06

Posted by: GOLDEN BEAR (4969) 

TOMMY .T.S ..the BEAR here just what are you smoking or taking??? I'LL have a bag or two of that ! ARE you taking the p**s ,((I Wish I HAD GONE DOWN PIT)))????? Take it from me who lived with my father who went down Blundell's at age 13 ,he was born 1910 worked all his life down pit , had to finish working in 1968 ,age 58 yrs with 100% PNEUMOCONIOSIS . could only walk 10 feet then was completely out of breath . Then died in 1974 ,,, age 64 ,, Please tell me t.t.s. you were jesting???????GB

Replied: 13th Apr 2022 at 15:25
Last edited by GOLDEN BEAR: 13th Apr 2022 at 15:26:48

Posted by: Platty (1492)

I took my boys and 2 of their friends to Blaenarvon when they were young. We went down in the cage and came back on a railway, (I think it's a funicular). They took all our phones off us before we went down. We were all impressed, little eyes popping out of heads. The pit was propped but there was a massive yellow digger type thing there, presumably to bore through the rock, dunno. How would they get that down there? They were good, did ask questions and got answers. They were interested in the noise and vibration of this yellow thing which they weren't allowed to go on. It had tracks, not wheels.

And at the museum, they were fasinated by the miners in the 19th century having to provide their own candles and walk miles to work and back.

Do schools do these day trips any more?

Replied: 13th Apr 2022 at 16:11

Posted by: PeterP (9504)

Platty if a M/c had to go underground they would strip it down on the surface and get it into the cage then transport it to site and rebuild the M/c on site or sling it under the cage and get it down the shaft that way.

Replied: 13th Apr 2022 at 16:24

Posted by: Platty (1492)

Thanks V.much PP. I often thought about that. That machine was massive. It must have taken many lifts to go down.

Replied: 13th Apr 2022 at 16:59

Posted by: ena malcup (1541) 

For many years, I wondered how they managed to build the brickwork which constituted the shaft lining, as you can only build upwards, you can't build downwards.

Of course, I now know that they do build upwards upon a supporting ring, a section at a time. ie they prop the brickwork, lower the ring, and then build up another section to meet the one above.

I suppose it is obvious when you think about it, but for some time, I had wondered.

Replied: 13th Apr 2022 at 17:50

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (10207)

Golden Bear

I am sorry to hear about what happened to your father.

I first grew up in Bamfurlong, and then we moved, but me mates in Bamfurlong who I left behind, they all went to Ashton Secondary, which is Cansfield High School now, and then they went down't pit.

Now if we hadn't had moved from Bamfurlong, that is where I would have gone, I would have no doubt been working with Whupsy, and voting Labour, and by that time in the 1970s the pitmen were on a bloody good screw, they had pockets full of money, but me, myself, and I, was struggling to keep the wolf from the door, because I was a very poorly paid shop assistant, and I was working twice has many hours as a pitmon, in Pemberton pitmen my age were going buying full length leather coats from tailors in Manchester, they had the full service, being measured for it, and having it made by a tailor, costing them hundreds of pounds, they had all the nice gear on, and they were walking away with all the women, because women love pitmen, especially if they have a few bob in their pocket.

Yes so damn right I would have gone down't pit.

Replied: 13th Apr 2022 at 18:02

Posted by: tonker (25559) 

Platty, that pit you visited was a drift mine, hence you coming out on a railway. The machine would have gone in on the railway, probably in parts, like Peter said.

Ena Malcup, the brickwork in the old shafts was also tied into the walls. This supported the brickwork when the ring was removed, or moved down.

Replied: 13th Apr 2022 at 18:05

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (10207)

Fred Dibnah dug a pit shaft in his garden, showing how that ring was used, and how metal rods were driven into the surrounding rock to support the brickwork, that shaft was going superbly, until Bolton Council found out what he was doing, and made him stop, because he was going to dig a shaft down the level of the river which flows past his house, and then he was going to tunnel through to the river, and put in a railway, but Council said no

Replied: 13th Apr 2022 at 18:24

Posted by: ashpad (92)

well worth a visit took my son he found it very interesting years back i took my wife down the first underground one to open at burslem near stoke it had to shut after due to flooding and the danger of methane the interesting thing was the winding engine was made in worsely mesnes engineering

Replied: 14th Apr 2022 at 11:44

Posted by: GOLDEN BEAR (4969) 

TTS / BEAR here thank you for that piece, I can truly understand why and what you were going through ,for myself i was in a similar situation ,left school got a butcher's job boning out /serving in a shop and a mobile shop, believe me or not my wage at 15 years was £2..twelve and six nett ,take home . I have lately tried to work out how much an hour i was on..
Mon; 7.30 am - 6.00pm
Tues ; 7.30 am - 6.30 pm
Wed ; 7.30 am -2.00 pm
Thur ; 7.30 am -6.00pm
Fri ; 7.30 am - 7.00 pm
Sat ; 7.30 - 5.30 pm EACH DAY MINUS 1 HOUR FOR DINNER .
55 HOUR WEEK AND BROWT WOM 2 POUND TWELVE SHILLINGS AND SIXPENCE . But TOMMY i do get your reasons for saying that my mates got better paid jobs and it was bloody hard watching them going up Wiggin boozing and i was nearly skint , my mother bless gave me money from my first wage ,which was 10 bob note or 10 shillings. By the way that was in 1961 . I WUZ TOO BLEEDING KNACKERED TO GO OUT ANYWAY AFTER DOING ALL THOSE HOURS . I hope yoo enjoyed this TOMMY i know i can talk to yoo take care .......GB

Replied: 14th Apr 2022 at 15:13

 

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