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Started by: admin (941)

Just been given some information that the MARKET HOTEL will be demolished under this re development fiasco. Looked at a plan showing the new development and it does seem to show that the Market Hotel will be demolished. Can anyone confirm this? This is an old Wigan pub and was once a coaching Inn surely it has some historic value to the town. Wgan Concil have demolished practically all of Wigan's Old Pubs The main one being the OLD DOG which dated back to the Civil War era and played a significant part in the Civil War in Wigan.

Started: 20th Jul 2021 at 09:12

Posted by: jo anne (33635) 

Wigan Building Preservation Trust certainly think some historic buildings are in jeopardy, Admin.

Part of their objection to the redevelopment - Wed 14 Jul:

“In the immediate vicinity are a number of original Victorian and Georgian buildings which have lain empty for a number of years … These buildings represent some of our 'heritage at risk' and should be renovated and re-purposed as the first priority.

The Planning Departments Prospectus suggests that the New Market Street properties, some of which are Council owned, are candidates for demolition.

The Council's Planning and Heritage objectives appear to be disconnected.“

Replied: 20th Jul 2021 at 10:11
Last edited by jo anne: 20th Jul 2021 at 10:11:38

Posted by: jo anne (33635) 

From Construction Enquirer (Jun ‘21):



The Market Hotel Building would need to be demolished to make way for Block E.


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Replied: 20th Jul 2021 at 10:49

Posted by: admin (941)

Jo Anne yep that the plan I have seen BLOCK E directly over the MARKET HOTEL

Replied: 20th Jul 2021 at 14:11

Posted by: JR (232)

if you study the application carefully, you will soon see that it is a 'hybrid' application. The full planning application generally focuses on the demolition and prescribed buildings on the footprint of the Galleries. However, the outline application running in tandem appears to be 'testing' the Council into considering a more extensive development, which would of course see the demolition of the historic Market Hotel (if it is granted).
I offer my view on this with regard to the Market Hotel. This is a significant building which was geared to market holders and their horses - the hotel had stables. Perhaps many people just see a former restaurant now closed and boarded up and have no concept of its historical relevance. The idea of regeneration in the town is to create hospitality such as bars, cafes restaurants, etc... so surely the old Market Hotel would be a wonderful historic building that could be integrated into any proposal and be celebrated. We have lost so many important and iconic buildings that if we allow the destruction of more, we would eventually become a new town like Milton Keynes with all visual acknowledgement to history completely erased.
Also, there is a proposal to build a cinema, yet a fabulous art deco style cinema that hosted not just films, but acts such as the Beatles and Stones was bulldozed to make way for the 'Grand Arcade'.

Replied: 20th Jul 2021 at 19:48

Posted by: admin (941)

JR you echo my sentiments exactly
What sort of council would demolish a 17th century pub, which played a significant part in the Civil War in Wigan i.e. the OLD DOG. To replace it with a nondescript building, for no reason???? Other towns would give their right arms to have such a historical building..

Replied: 21st Jul 2021 at 12:12

Posted by: GOLDEN BEAR (3795) 

ADMIN : Can't these clown's at Wigan Clowncil not see they have almost "RIPPED THE HEART OUT WIGAN " On the plan's there is nothing showing any sort of a new public house's why , But on another tack surely should all these plan's /proposal's be put to the good people of the BOROUGH ! By having a vote on the very topic. After all they are quick in sending out things ie CARDS FOR VOTING IN THE COUNCILLORS /GENERAL MPs SO WHY CAN'T WE THE PEOPLE HAVE OUR SAY AND DO NOT MAKE IT A COMPUTER THING WHERE THERE ARE A LOT WHO DON'T HAVE SUCH CONTRAPTIONS I SINCERLY WISH THIS WOULD HAPPEN AS IT'S BEEN FAR TO LONG SINCE WIGANER'S HAD THEIR SAY ,LETS MAKE A STAND AND STAND UP FOR WIGAN TOWN (OUR TOWN) CENTRE BUT MAINLY TO PUT A STOP TO ALL THIS HUGE BORROWING FROM CHINA , AS THEY ARE GOING TO BE FINANCING IT ,, HAVE THEY NOT DONE ENOUGH DAMMAGE TO THE WORLD WITH THEM SPREADING THIS DAMNED CO-VID ,COME ON YER WIGANER'S ...GB AND NOT SORRY FOR CAPITOL LETTERS ......

Replied: 21st Jul 2021 at 16:17
Last edited by GOLDEN BEAR: 23rd Jul 2021 at 16:03:57

Posted by: Stardelta (8201)

GOOD GOD GB!!!
Do us all a favour and get some happy pills!!

Replied: 21st Jul 2021 at 18:35

Posted by: JR (232)

The full application will (I expect) go ahead. My great worry is that the 'running in tandem' outline application may not be picked up by the 'layperson' - so it is essential that those who wish to preserve what little is left of historic Wigan should send letters of objection... based on the worrying historic assets we have lost and the the remaining icons at serious risk. Perhaps a few quick messages to 'Historic England' may secure listed status (on at least the old Market Hotel alone).

Replied: 21st Jul 2021 at 19:36

Posted by: Axcroft (202)

The logo for the "proposed" development is "Wigan's New Beating Heart"!
There is a new photo-graphic on the - stripped out - consultation site and the Market Hotel is indeed shown as being replaced by apartments. Done deal?
It will be a sad day indeed if the Market Hotel is demolished.
Best follow JR's advice. I will be writing to Historic England.

Replied: 21st Jul 2021 at 19:47

Posted by: JR (232)

Thanks Axcroft. I would express urgency. There was an attempt to save the Ritz due to the unique history and classic art deco architecture. Back then it was English Heritage who looked at it. However, the contractor must have got wind of it and took down the gable end just before the official visit. Subsequently the building was then in an unstable state and couldn't be rescued.

Replied: 21st Jul 2021 at 20:06

Posted by: Axcroft (202)

E-mail sent.
But, I think, a lost cause.
Millions have been spent thus far.
Lots of vested interest.

Replied: 21st Jul 2021 at 20:30

Posted by: jo anne (33635) 

JR, thanks for your advice.

From historicengland.org.uk:



Email: Listing.Enquiries@HistoricEngland.org.uk

Replied: 21st Jul 2021 at 22:20

Posted by: basil brush (16657)

Absolutely disgusting.

Replied: 22nd Jul 2021 at 08:46

Posted by: jo anne (33635) 

Further historic buildings under threat (info from Twitter, 20th Jul):



Replied: 23rd Jul 2021 at 18:11
Last edited by jo anne: 23rd Jul 2021 at 18:31:13

Posted by: broady (17033) 

From I'm from Wigan web page today

It's not being demolished, their are workmen in now turning the upstairs into apartments, and a sign as gone up to let the ground floor.

Not sure how true it is.

Replied: 23rd Jul 2021 at 19:01

Posted by: baker boy (15565)

jo anne i love your comment about the planning and heritage dept being disconnected. with the demise of wigan town centre over the past thirty odd years ,i question were the ever connected.
the peoples party labour, who never ever listen to the people.
i am still smarting about the non consultation that occurred in 2019 about the great new planned improvements to poolstock lane.no one i know as ever heard about this so called peoples involvement.
last week i went to tesco's in wigan using poolstock lane, a mile long car conga travelling at 18 miles per hour. maybe the folk back in the 1820's may have been impressed by 18mph but the conga trail where most definitely not.

Replied: 23rd Jul 2021 at 19:21

Posted by: jo anne (33635) 

Baker Boy, the comment was from a quote by Wigan Building Preservation Trust (Wed 14 Jul), but I agree they’ve put it brilliantly.

Replied: 23rd Jul 2021 at 20:54

Posted by: Axcroft (202)

admin, JR, Dylan, jo anne and all,
Historic England have made (named) contact, via email.
I have passed on relevant links, so, hopefully, they will investigate and provide input.

Replied: 23rd Jul 2021 at 21:54
Last edited by Axcroft: 23rd Jul 2021 at 21:55:53

Posted by: AngelWood (580)

Excellent news.

Replied: 23rd Jul 2021 at 23:46

Posted by: JR (232)

Any particularly significant historic buildings, structures, monuments, etc that you feel are at risk should be indicated to Historic England. Just explain the history/heritage with any other knowledge you have on associated famous people, unique architecture type, etc.

Replied: 25th Jul 2021 at 12:25

Posted by: Axcroft (202)

Historic England has responded to my email enquiry as follows:

"We were consulted on this application but as the site is outside the conservation area and the Market Tavern isn’t a listed building our inspector considered we didn’t need to offer any detailed comments. We can only comment on applications that affect listed buildings or conservation areas, there’s more information on when we become involved at https://historicengland.org.uk/services-skills/our-planning-services/charter/when-we-are-consulted/proposals-for-development-management/

The only way the Market Tavern could be protected is by applying for listing, there are more details on how to do this at https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/apply-for-listing/

I hope this information is of some help to you and explains Historic England’s involvement in this case."

Replied: 26th Jul 2021 at 18:22

Posted by: JR (232)

Yes, it needs as many people as possible to apply for listed status.

Replied: 26th Jul 2021 at 19:29

 

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