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Started by: Tommy Two Stroke (5800)

Jeremy Corbyn may have been readmitted as a member of the Labour Party, but Sir Keir Stammer will not be returning the Parliamentary Whip to him

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54986916

This never happened to Harold Wilson, and in a place like Wigan, where you once had rock solid support for the Labour Party, and a topic like this would have had people going at each other throats on here, arguing about politics, but such is the lack of support now for the Labour Party in Wigan, a topic like this will barely raise an eyebrow

Even Whupsy seems to be coming round to the idea that the Labour Party is now nothing but a spent force in this country, run by an unelected nasty group (momentum) I mean I cannot see Whupsy ever voting Conservative, because he is a pit mon, and it doesn't matter if the pits have all closed, because once a pit mon, always a pit mon, even Tonker speaks in a loud voice, using sign language, because he is a pit mon too

Started: 18th Nov 2020 at 13:03

Posted by: tomplum (6724) 

The grim reality is, you don't get to be Party Leader easily, You have to convince Most of the other Party members that, you are up to the job, So Most of the other labour party members must like him, He's not an easy bloke to like, Unlike Boris, The tories shined at the last election because Boris is likeable and Gorbyn is not,
So how did he get to be Leader

Replied: 18th Nov 2020 at 17:41

Posted by: gaffer (6513) 

Tom
It was Ed Miliband pushing through changes to the way the leader was elected. It became one man one vote. Previously MP’s had 30 % of the vote and prior to that MP’s chose the leader.
Added to that some MP’s nominated JC as leader to make it more of a contest. Afterwards one MP Margaret Beckett said ‘I was a moron to nominate Jeremy Corbin.’

Replied: 18th Nov 2020 at 19:33

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (5800)

You know it is not beyond the realm of possibility that Lisa Nandy could be the leader of the Labour Party at the next and quite a long way off General Election, because she is number four in the Shadow Cabinet hierarchy of things, the main mon being leader Keir Starmer, and after the Shadow Chancellor, and the Shadow Home Secretary, the next in line is Shadow Foreign Secretary, which is the position Lisa Nandy holds.

So if Keir Starmer steps down for any reason, Lisa Nandy could win the Leadership of the next Labour Party election and if Labour win the next General Election, then Lisa Nandy will be Prime Minster, and we could have the Prime Minister of Britain living in Wigan, when she is not in Downing Street, so then there would be Mr Speaker who lives in Adlington, Lindsay Hoyle, and Prime Minister Lisa Nandy living in Wigan, Mayor of Greater Manchester living in Leigh


https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/all-about/lisa-nandy-mp


Replied: 20th Nov 2020 at 21:37

Posted by: tomplum (6724) 

I think that is wishful thinking tommy 2 dreams, Lisa Nandy is , In my opinion , another Donna Washername, Keen to get on camera and flirt with the media/press but, little gets done and its never her fault, Similar to Andy (lets fight for gradlyfolks) then ok's the rail pass charge, Northerners get nowhere in Government because, we are outsiders , too poor, too unheard of, too for left and too far away from LaaaaaaDaaarn,

Replied: 20th Nov 2020 at 21:54

Posted by: gaffer (6513) 

Tom

Ian McCartney did a lot of good work for the people of Wigan when he was in Tony Blair’s cabinet. A lot of cash found it’s way into the health service in Wigan that was in the main down to him.
The opencast at a Windy Arbour would have become a refuse tip had he not secured the funds to prevent it.

Replied: 20th Nov 2020 at 22:16

Posted by: tomplum (6724) 

ok but he was a Jock, not a Wiganer and made enemies of a certain Haydock individual who made a business making pubs a safer place to be in ( tonge in cheek grin ), Yes Ian was a hard campaigner and a good MP for Wigan, I agree,

Replied: 20th Nov 2020 at 22:22

Posted by: riocaroni (27)

Boris the buffoon will do well to last another twelve months. When unemployment reaches 3 million we,ll see how many of the fools who were conned into voting Tory will vote for them again!

Replied: 20th Nov 2020 at 22:39

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (5800)

Tom

Don't talk too mee about Passes

Yoo and Pat got them at 60yrs old, but thanks to Tony Blair and David Cameron, I have to wait until I am 66yrs old before I can get a bus/rail pass, the same time as I can become a pensioner

30yrs ago folk were saying to me that when I retire, I would be retiring at 60yrs old, because the retirement would be reduced to that age, but because of the 'immigration' influx of the early 00's and an extra 4 million EU scrounging gits in this country, I had my retirement aged raised by a year to 66yrs old

Replied: 20th Nov 2020 at 22:55
Last edited by Tommy Two Stroke: 20th Nov 2020 at 22:57:52

Posted by: tonker (22309) 

Tom. Ian McCartny was not an MP for Wigan.

Replied: 20th Nov 2020 at 23:11

Posted by: First Mate (153)

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Replied: 20th Nov 2020 at 23:34
Last edited by First Mate: 20th Nov 2020 at 23:40:32

Posted by: tomplum (6724) 

tommy 2 strokes. I remember falling for David Cameron Speech when, He said, We are making the pension scheme fair for all the people who have worked ALL their lives and contributed into the scheme, we will raise the base rate to £159 for everyone who has paid in so that no one will need to get benefit top ups,
I was watching that speech and shouting, good lad David well done son, you get my vote, As usual that was total lies, he reformed it and I got less than his promised amount, as did many more, Women being the biggest lossers ,
I did get my bus pass but I had to wait till 63, he put that on a sliding scale to put women in line with men,, Lesson there learned was,

When a tories mouth is moving he/she is telling lies,

Replied: 21st Nov 2020 at 08:38

Posted by: jathbee (10556)

Lisa Nandy is a career politician, no more, no less.
I have no respect for her whatsoever.

Replied: 21st Nov 2020 at 08:54

Posted by: TerryW (5527)

I agree, Jathbee. Moonshine with nowt behind her.

That means she's a bit of a glowing light but without substance.

Replied: 21st Nov 2020 at 09:43

Posted by: Platty (286)

Well said, Jathbee.

Replied: 21st Nov 2020 at 09:56

Posted by: Platty (286)

The problem with this country is that we have a Liberal government and a Liberal opposition so there is no debate and it is not what the people want.
Years ago, the Liberals realised they would never achieve power and slowly but surely they have infiltrated both main parties and brought their views with them. So we get sorrow for the illegal immigrants overrunning Council resources now, the poor hoodie type who had a sad upbringing, Liberal Judges, etc....

Replied: 21st Nov 2020 at 11:33

Posted by: jarvo (29849) 

It's that Pritti Patel you want to be wary of...

One bullying b---h that!

Replied: 21st Nov 2020 at 11:58

Posted by: Brasstoff (151)

Years ago, the Liberals realised they would never achieve power and slowly but surely they have infiltrated both main parties and brought their views with them. So we get sorrow for the illegal immigrants overrunning Council resources now, the poor hoodie type who had a sad upbringing, Liberal Judges, etc.... Platty

Too many Liberal laws in this country and the criminals are loving it.

Replied: 21st Nov 2020 at 12:06

Posted by: TerryW (5527)

Going off the evidence provided against her she should have been sacked. Boris as the final arbiter failed to do the right thing, I get the feeling that he always needs to be told what to do or say by others, just look at the mess he's made over Covid.

Replied: 21st Nov 2020 at 12:18

Posted by: Platty (286)

I tnink the thing with Patel is that she likes to get things done and the snivel service are used to doing what they want and not taking orders from their masters.
However, swearing at people in the work place and shouting is not acceptable.

Replied: 21st Nov 2020 at 12:43

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (5800)

Yoo shouldn't like a boss, if folk don't like the boss, then that probably means that the boss is doing their job properly

Replied: 21st Nov 2020 at 13:02

Posted by: tomplum (6724) 

I dissagree Tommy, If your Boss is a likable chap, I would do the extra mile for him, If he balls and shouts, he gets just short of what he asks and, I've never had a woman Boss, Not many women understand how a toilet works or which way water runs,

Replied: 21st Nov 2020 at 13:54

Posted by: sonlyme (2664)

"Never had a woman boss" i hope your missus doesn't read your posts Tom.

Replied: 21st Nov 2020 at 14:16

Posted by: Platty (286)

Bet Tom thinks his wife is a chattel.

Replied: 21st Nov 2020 at 14:35

Posted by: tomplum (6724) 

I stating a fact, not making a political stand, In a way, I have worked for women because they have hired me to do work for them but. that is not a boss because if she says, I want the toilet on the door so no one can come in while I'm having a wee, I would explain to her why this can not happen,

savy ?

Replied: 21st Nov 2020 at 14:58

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (5800)

Tom

Yoo work better with a boss who motivates through praise and goodwill, and some employees can be motivated only by inducements, higher reward in the form of higher wages and inducements such as company benefits, such has company cars etc, but some folk can only be motivated by giving them a kick up the backside

Replied: 21st Nov 2020 at 15:47

Posted by: gaffer (6513) 

Fourteen years ago,

Making his first appearance in front of the home affairs select committee since he took over the reins from Charles Clarke in this month's reshuffle, Dr Reid, Labour Home Secretary, admitted his department was failing to deliver as he refused to rule out the dismissal of immigration officials in light of a "tidal wave" of scandals.
"Our system is not fit for purpose. It is inadequate in terms of its scope, it is inadequate in terms of its information technology, leadership, management systems and processes," he told MPs.
In a written answer released simultaneously with his appearance, Dr Reid revealed that that 85 serious foreign offenders, released from prison without being considered for deportation since 1999, were still on the run.
Dr Reid explained he had had ordered a "fundamental overhaul" of the Home Office Immigration and Nationality Directorate (IND).
Asked if the review meant that no one would lose their job in the IND, Dr Reid said: "Don't count on it." He added: "If there are people culpable, they will have to bear responsibility."

I suspect not much has changed since then.
The author of the Priti Patel report stated that some civil servants had not been as flexible as they could have been.
Translated ' carried on as normal instead of doing what they were asked to do.'
The complaints of swearing and shouting probably left out one of the phrases used. No doubt she may have said to one or two you're f****** useless'.

Replied: 21st Nov 2020 at 16:21

Posted by: jarvo (29849) 

As a Union official, I'm sorry, but language like that is totally unacceptable, at any level.

Replied: 21st Nov 2020 at 17:54

Posted by: broady (16251) 

Jarvo,
If I remember correctly your Father worked for Tarmac or similar and that language would have been commonplace. Certainly my time spent in construction was littered with the eff word.

Replied: 21st Nov 2020 at 18:27

Posted by: frecky (82)

As a union official.......that says a lot to me...

Replied: 21st Nov 2020 at 18:47

Posted by: tomplum (6724) 

I can't think of any job where that word is not used, even top chefs use it a lot, although they should not in public, its used often in a ' telling off' situation, It adds sincerity and earnest and is easily understood, so much that even a dog knows it means that, its time to get out of here,

Replied: 21st Nov 2020 at 18:48

Posted by: sonlyme (2664)

It is understood in any country in the world as well.

Replied: 21st Nov 2020 at 19:55

Posted by: jathbee (10556)

I agree, the word is commonplace in a lot of male work environments. In fact commonplace in a lot of people's normal vocabulary these days.
I suppose it depends on the circumstances and the context in which it is used.
My late husband was a pitmon and never, ever used the word at home or within any social gathering.

Replied: 22nd Nov 2020 at 08:57

Posted by: TerryW (5527)

No reason for it to be used in social situations, I can honestly say I have never used it in the company of females or elderly people. Oh I can come out with some right stuff, I'm no angel, my parents never heard me nor me them it just wasn't done. Now it seems everyone uses it just to communicate, parents to their children and vice versa, that goggle box programme, even the celeb one, seem to promote the use. I can't think of anything worse than using the 'F' word to a parent or child. A sad state of affairs.

Replied: 22nd Nov 2020 at 09:45

Posted by: jathbee (10556)

Using that word in general conversation, or speaking to children in particular shows a distinct lack of expressive vocabulary.
In other words, ignorance of the English language.

Replied: 22nd Nov 2020 at 10:52

Posted by: gaffer (6513) 

Priti Patel faces axe in reshuffle over ‘competence’
Home secretary Priti Patel is under pressure after failing to stem the flow of asylum seekers across the Channel
HENRY NICHOLLS
Tim Shipman, Caroline Wheeler and Gabriel Pogrund
Sunday November 22 2020, 12.01am, The Sunday Times
Boris Johnson is set to axe Priti Patel as home secretary in his next reshuffle amid questions in Downing Street over her “competence” — as it emerged that a report into her conduct found that she told civil servants they were “f***ing useless”.

Replied: 22nd Nov 2020 at 11:11

Posted by: jarvo (29849) 

Unacceptable for any supervisor to use it to any employee.

Replied: 22nd Nov 2020 at 11:21

Posted by: broady (16251) 

Stick to poems and karaoke. OR refuse to drive on any stretch of road where someone has blasphemed. Are you seriously saying no one swears in the factory you worked at in Skem?

Replied: 22nd Nov 2020 at 11:32

Posted by: whups (5057) 

whats it telling you about this government ? .

Replied: 22nd Nov 2020 at 11:35

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (5800)

Whupsy

The Government is full of potty gobs, whooo swear a lot

Replied: 22nd Nov 2020 at 11:39

Posted by: jarvo (29849) 

You miss the point, Bill.

Yes, it is used everywhere. But NOT in the context of a superior to another colleague in derogatory terms.

You know what I mean, Bill. If a foreman tells to F---K Off to your face, he is asking for a knuckle sandwich. Or, the grievance policy is put into motion.

I suggest that' Petty' Patel should be suspended pending further investigation. And, this matter SHOULD be discussed in Parliament.

Replied: 22nd Nov 2020 at 11:51
Last edited by jarvo: 22nd Nov 2020 at 11:52:14

Posted by: firefox (2883)

Fully agree, broady.

Replied: 22nd Nov 2020 at 12:13

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (5800)

In political terms the Home Secretaries job is known to be a 'poisoned chalice' because most Home Secretaries get sacked, that is both Labour and Conservative, and Theresa May was unique in being able to serve the full term of a Parliament as a Home Secretary under David Cameron.

I think that the reason that most Home Secretaries get sacked, is probably because the Civil Servants who run the Home Office are effin useless

Replied: 22nd Nov 2020 at 12:16

Posted by: firefox (2883)

Replied: 22nd Nov 2020 at 12:27

Posted by: gaffer (6513) 

TTS
There’s a piece in today’s Telegraph that gives the other side of the coin. If I get time today I’ll post it.
It’s no surprise so many Home Secretaries have failed through no fault of their own.

Replied: 22nd Nov 2020 at 12:31

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (5800)

Thank you gaffer.

Replied: 22nd Nov 2020 at 12:33

Posted by: gaffer (6513) 

Keir Starmer is determined to rid the Labour party of antisemitism. He is married to a Jewish lady and their children are being brought up in the Jewish faith.


Replied: 22nd Nov 2020 at 17:49

 

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