Burnham

Has he backed down... Capitulated as he always does.. Failed politician... Only after the knighthood/ Lords.??? Out and out TOSSER...

I seem to recollect that we did not want a GM mayor and that we were told that we had to have one by the Tory government.

You reap what you sow Boris.

Burnham is being backed by our local turncoat Lisa Nandy.

I don't get where yoo two are coming from, Andy Burnham hasn't backed down at all, and all he has done, and all he can doo is openly disagree with the Government policy, he has no power to stop the Government imposing Tier 3 on Greater Manchester, and he and Lisa Nandy want more money for the people who will lose their jobs when the Tier 3 starts, because under the original Furlough Scheme the Government paid 80% of salaries, but after the end of October that will drop to two thirds or 67% and their argument is why has the amount been dropped, when the virus is just has prevalent has it was last March, and folks bills have not dropped since last March, so why the reduction in money, so I cannot see what Andy 'Burnham and Lisa Nandy are doing wrong, they only have the power to skrike about it, and skriking about it is what they are dooing ....

As regards the Government, well if you were Prime Minster, what would you do to get rid of the pandemic and make everything reet again ????

He's a very nice man !

there are some people I just don't like, for instance Jimmy Savile, I never liked him, Well before he got found out, Tony Blair was another i never liked along with the ' Thatch' and many others who just have a way with them that screams, <<< avoid this person >>>>
Andy Burnham is on that list too, I just don't like him, nowt to do with his politics or where he comes from, nor his religion or sexual orientation.

I just don't like him,,,,

Horrid, self righteous man

I get the same vibes from Matt Hancock!

I agree Tonks,

firefox, thee links not working

I know.

It's missing. It's the missing link!

Seems that we have a lot in common tomplumb, in our dislike of the individuals that you've mentioned. Nandy is another of my dislikes.

Well it has not been fashionable not to like Andy Burnham for years now, but if it was not for him and Smiffy, we would not have the Santa Poolstock Raceway in Wigan now, but I don't think it should be a question of whether you like a politician or not, they should be judged on what they doo, and it is very rare that I agree with a Labour Party Politician, but on this one I think that Andy Burnham is right, and I commend him for not agreeing with the Government, but I also agree with the Government in not just imposing Tier 3 in that they are trying to get everyone in agreement on the way to go with defeating the pandemic.

Boss

Yoo see that when yoo have a boss, if no one likes the boss, then that means that the boss is dooing their job correctly, because it is not the job of a boss to be liked, the bosses job is to be the boss

Here's his award.

Well yoo have never liked him ....

They had the whole country shut down for 12 weeks. THAT didn't work!
Spain had the whole country shut down (and, in their case, it really was 'shut down') for 12 weeks, and that didn't work either!

So. A fortnight is not going to work!

Sweden had it right.
But pray tell, where would the Government money come from?

I disagree with yoo tommy on this one, A person in power is a 'salesperson' if you like that salesperson you will buy their product, If you don't, he lets the manufacture down,
In this case the manufacturer being the labour party,

and that point is proven with Boris, I like Boris and i would vote for him, even though there is a strong hatred in me for the tory party,

so you see my point ?

never mind who he or she may be why do we need a mayor and their entourage in the first place .just another tier of bullshit " democracy",

And if they have another lockdown, and get the infections down, when they ease the lockdown, the infection will return, so it's a catch 22 situation

A rock and a hard place?

I agree but I suppose they have to be seen to be doing something. But what I don't agree, is that London has less cases than Manchester or Liverpool.

Tonker said

They had the whole country shut down for 12 weeks. THAT didn't work!
Spain had the whole country shut down (and, in their case, it really was 'shut down') for 12 weeks, and that didn't work either!

So. A fortnight is not going to work!

oh yes it did, it freed up the hospital beds and helped the NHS to help us
and now because its Winter, it might not work because they are going to get over whelmed ,

They've NEVER been 'overwhelmed'. The government were saying they were, but nurses in Warrington and Bolton hospitals said they were empty!

Tom

I like Boris

He is going down in my estimation, due to his brexit sphinctering

What about when Boris was Mayor of London, and we had those riots, so he bought some water canons, and Theresa May (Home Secretary then) would not let him use them

What is he doing wrong with Brexiting, he has told the EU to eff off, which is what should have been said to the EU a long time ago ....

The most surprising thing about may is she's been kissed.

I sent you a Nicola Sturgeon video and you've not watched it yet, you fraud!

Look around at the " world leaders" None has handled it well. NZ did OK because it is an island and easy to control ins and outs. No dinghies zipping in all hours of the day. They will be paying the debts off well into the next generation. Will it ever go away??

I watched it, I laughed, I admired your forwarding skills!

I don't have a problem with him or our Lisa.

But Jathbee and Nasty Nana have a problem with yoo

Don't forget the rest of the sheep, tts.

Baaaaa

If he's got 100 million to help people /businesses then fair play to him, that's what I say.

Nandy is moonshine with nowt behind it. She can dribble and swerve her political views better than George Best with a ball.

I found her quite charming when I spoke to her in the central bar.

NHAJ NANDY

wonder what nandy thought of you walshy,you have a bigger paddle than anything ever seen on the mississippi.

burnham has been accused of point scoring.
They aren't wrong

Eyup Tonks... Nicola Sturgeon.. AKA as Seaweed... Cos even the tide won't take her out. ... Lisping Lisa.!! Another labour waste of space.... Another safe seat for the labour nee'r-do-Wells... Does she originate from Wigan. Or did her southern family wealth. "Buy" it.....? Answers on a postcard please to

"Billinge Biker @ Billinge.

She's done well. She got two years worth of knickers out of the parachute she dropped into Wigan with.

That's initiative.

I don't have a problem with her.

"Does she originate from Wigan. Or did her southern family wealth. "Buy" it.....? "

Bury. She's northern, born and bred.

Her father was born in Calcutta. He married his second wife, Lisa’s mother, in Lambeth.
He came to Manchester to work for the Equal Opportunities Commission.

Tonker

Yoo should get your facts right

My facts ARE right. Who cares where her father was born?
Her grandfather was born a Scouser (almost).

Lisa Nandy is a northerner.

So if she was born in Lambeth, then Lisa Nandy is a Cockney Sparrow

https://youtu.be/khJbffN2yGI

She was born in Manchester, next to the River Mersey near Cheadle, and brought up in Bury, by her mum.

So she wasn't born within the sound of Bow Bells .................................

Yoo can say what you like about her, but she is an English lass, and a nice one at that

I listened toBurnham's interview on BBC this morning and I thought he came across very well and is fighting for the livelihoods of people in Gtr Manchester. it's about time somebody stood up to Boris.

If she stands up for us I'm not bothered were she comes from.

Kath, you haven't heard about Chris Green's resignation over the facade?

burnham pays lip service only.

Honestly can't believe how many tories live in Wigan. How can anyone listen to the rubbish they have been spouting every morning on bbc tv is beyond me.and this morning takes the biscuit, running out of ICU beds in 3wks is totally untrue!

Hear hear, but it isn't Tory propoganda, it's politicians propoganda.

Stop watching BBC for your news.

kathpressey:

"I listened toBurnham's interview on BBC this morning and I thought he came across very well and is fighting for the livelihoods of people in Gtr Manchester. it's about time somebody stood up to Boris"

I am self-employed and Andy Burnham wants the Government to give me more money, so on this one me and Andy are in agreement

Next thing which Andy gets involved with I probably will not be in agreement with, because I go with the flow, and the same with Lisa Nandy, as she goes about her political life, I agree and disagree with whatever she is dooing, it is what a none politically aligned person such as me does.

Are yoo listening or should I say reading Whupsy

At the moment I like Boris, because he has been doing things that I like, but if he starts to do things that I don't like, then I will say that I don't like what he is doing, and if he does a few things that I don't like, then I will say that in general I don't like him.

I don't think that you should show the same support to political parties, in the same way that you show support for a football team, and when it comes to football teams, if a team consistently is doing crap, then I would choose to support a different football team, because who wants to support a loser or a consistently losing team.

You are better off being a floating voter, and look at all sides of an argument

Dr Indeewar Kapila, a consultant in anaesthesia and intensive care medicine in Manchester, said the situation in hospitals was "very concerning" as admissions rise and limited bed spaces are filled.

The situation could look very different in a week, Dr Kapila said as around one-third of ICU beds are currently filled but Manchester’s rising number of coronavirus cases threatens to fill wards to capacity

“We have about 440 cases per 100,000, which is extremely high, we are very concerned that we may reach a situation very soon where intensive care beds are beginning to run out," Dr Kapila told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme.

Dr Kapila’s warning follows a leaked NHS document that showed some hospitals in Greater Manchester were already at capacity

The document showed hospitals in Salford, Stockport and Bolton were already full by last Friday, according to The Guardian

Not long to deadline now.

As i have said before ive no problem with him.

I'm fearful of the outcome of a forced lock down.
Will they put police on the streets, I wonder. And I fear for the outcome of that too. I just hope it can be solved without the need for an enforced lock down.

Everyone on here think they are a politician, you don,t know your arse from your elbow, You aint got a clue what is going to happen, HAPPEN

I don't think im a politician, not enough police to put on the streets

bentlegs

So what is going to happen

People are.allowed to express an opinion, Just like you. It's called democracy. And you don't have a clue what will happen either.
But people are allowed to speculate.

@tts

If things go pear shaped, they will find enough police. But let's hope that doesn't happen.

unless there having a two hour break

asking for 75 million, offered 22.4 million

going off postcodes.........please dont let mine come out

Moaned and skryked about politics saying you was taking a break from it all when I was posting on Corbyn etc. What a bloody hypocritical tosser you are.

how rude

Is that your only answer. Wally.

i wished theyd hurry up

Posted by: basil brush (14879)

asking for 75 million, offered 22.4 million

Where do you think the money would come from?

I won't expect a reply asd the lights very dim.

A month ago, I was 'unfortunate' to visit the Infirmary in Wigan.

After a three hour wait for an ambulance, I was then taken to a triage nurse for further examination. I was then told to sit in a draughty waiting room, in my pyjamas, to wait a further three hours.

I was then examined by a junior doctor and given a note to collect Aspirin.

All the time that I was in A and E, there was little going on and no one was stretched or over stressed. I did notice one nurse who looked as if she'd fallen asleep. There were no queues in corridors.

I then left the hospital, still in my pyjamas, and was picked up by my daughter, who had hurriedly left the class she was teaching, to pick me up.

At no time during my stay was I offered a drink or asked if I was hungry. TWO MORE HOURS PASSED before I was picked up.

Seven days later after my son phoned the vascular dept and demanded to see a consultant; I was then given a doppler scan at the Christopher Home.

14 days later (14 DAYS) my son demanded that the results should be made known to me, and my family, and an appointment made to see the consultant.

I have been offered a review this Thursday to see a 'health advisor' to discuss what the next plan is...if there is one.

Let's all give a clap to the NHS...'Hard Pressed' by Covid...(HARDLY) on its way to inevitable privatisation.

So the World conspires to make the NHS private?

osted by: basil brush (14879)

asking for 75 million, offered 22.4 million

Where do you think the money would come from?

I won't expect a reply asd the lights very dim.


who cares, as long it helps people who have no jobs and businesses, because of the lockdown.

i dont believe we have to wait untill 5pm

I have changed me mind about Andy, after hearing his press conference in Manchester, and Boris's press conference in Downing Street, and Boris said they could not offer Greater Manchester more money, than what they have given to Merseyside and Lancashire, which sounds fair enough to me, and Andy came across in that press conference as a stupid soft childish baby, he's a knob ....

Good ol' Andy has lost GM a lot of cash that was on the table, the pillock!

Johnson was the one who lost.

Burnham exposed him as the lying toe rag that he really is.

Another four years of this?

God help ALL of us.

Towd thi he wuz a TOSSER

He should’ve accepted the 60 million on offer, he ended up with 22 million. Stupidity through playing politics that he isn't up to and the people will suffer.

I get the impression most people dont like Andy Burnham. However he was a good M P when he represented Leigh. Since then he has proved to be a good Mayor of Manchester !

If Andy Burnham wanted an extra £20 million or so he cold have asked the 10 local authorities to chip in from their financial reserves. It would represent less than 1% of the reserves.
Anybody watching the news conference earlier must be concerned at the rapid spread of the virus in GM.
Wigan was used as one of the comparisons and on the basis of the figures the virus is virtually out of control here. There are more confirmed cases in GM than the whole of the South East and South West.
Nobody in government or the PM have caused the surge in infections in GM. It’s down to the people here not complying with the basics to prevent it spreading. One can only hope and pray they get the message now

Enjoyed seeing our Lisa on BBC 1 breakfast

How about what she had to say. Or were you just looking.

never had a problem with Lisa

Obviously

dont care were she came from.

Obviously

as long as she sticks up for us

I will refrain from answering that one

would probably be nasty anyway

Oh for gawds sake

gaffer

I agree, and I know someone who is in an at risk group with underlying health problems, and she is over 60 and in the first wave she self-isolated, and spoke to her kids and grandkids on a tablet over the internet, but this time round the whole family isn't giving a damn, the whole family covers just about every age range, from infant through primary school, high school and her children will be in their early to late thirties, and they are coming and going as though the Covid thing had never happened, and without any regard for the rules we have been under for the last few weeks, and from Friday when Tier 3 kicks in, I would be very surprised if they take any notice of that either, but as they say "yoo reap what you sow" and as President Trump found out, that Covid does not discriminate, any idiot can catch it ....

True. TTS.
Because of my age and under lying health problems I stayed home for 12weeks. Daughter bringing me supplies and chatting to family via social media.
I have never broken the rules.
I'm currently in a bubble with daughter as I live alone.
Been going to daughters and she has been coming here.
And food shopping.
Found out last week that I have been in contact with some one who has tested positive. So back to isolation for another two weeks and then facing more restrictions with the new rules.
So yes any one can get it, no matter how careful.
There are many, many people in a worse position than me, so I count myself lucky.
Been in isolation for six days now and showing no symptoms yet thankfully.

jathbee

I am glad to hear that, I hope you don't catch it

Take care Jathbee hope you don't catch it

Don't be kidded by those figures from Johnson and Co.

I spoke to a nurse in A and E on Monday and she told me that it's very quiet there at the moment.
She doesn't tell fibs.

The North South divide widens, eh?
Lyin' b------s!

Jathbee read this. A couple of friends have had this on their phone.

Link

Thank you first mate.
But the contact with a person who treated positive is confirmed.
So I will carry on with the rest of my isolation and hope for the best

Thank you Nana and tts for your good wishes

My neighbour next door is a doctor at Wigan infirmary and this morning she's told me and my wife that it's been hectic lately, she explained that a symptom of covid is sickness and diarrhea so folk with these symptoms have been turning up in droves, all needing to be tested and sorted. She's had to work late hours and all weekend.

Boris Johnson insisted he would honour the £60million package of business support for Greater Manchester. But Mr Johnson said the money would now be 'distributed to the boroughs' instead of going through the mayor's office.

DM

Stay safe, Jathbee.

Thank you Terryw

Posted by: jarvo (29765) View jarvo's page

Don't be kidded by those figures from Johnson and Co.

I spoke to a nurse in A and E on Monday and she told me that it's very quiet there at the moment.
She doesn't tell fibs.

The North South divide widens, eh?
Lyin' b------s!

Replied: 21st Oct 2020 at 11:21

I was speaking to a nurse from the MAU today who says the numbers on general wards, MAU, HDU and ICU are high. A&E is quiet due to people staying away again.

You are right AngelWood.
My sister works at the hospital and she says the same. It was the same during the first outbreak. A&E empty, while wards full of covid patients and it's the same this time.

“The north gets pushed around by Westminster...but on this occasion it was a step too far. A decision was being imposed from miles away...and sometimes you have to take a stand.”

@AndyBurnhamGM tells me he has “no regrets” over his handling of talks with the government.

jarvo i have been waiting three months for a heart scan,just had it done .
witing for my results from over a wek ago.when i rang up the lady said there is a delay with test results,could be dead before they send me something.

walshy you have spoken with nandy and now burnham,how come.