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Started by: nanajacqui (3075) 

Tomplum this is on my Facebook page,everyone commenting says it's Kevin?Keith Jones? to WiganNow
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I think his name is Dennis, but not sure. Anyway, he is the homeless chap who usually hangs around the Peking Palace Takeaway on Poolstock Lane. Tonight, he has almost killed himself acting like the fool on a scooter type vehicle, has gone into the road and has been knocked down. I have seen him at the side of the road being attended to by paramedics with a blooded bandage around his head. Looks very nasty and will probably be taken into hospital for a few days. So if anybody is wondering where he is, that's your answer!

Started: 19th Jul 2020 at 07:40

Posted by: tomplum (6487) 

I'll go check it out nana, I do know he won't go in hospital by choice, So if he is in there, it must be bad, I'll let you know later,

Replied: 19th Jul 2020 at 09:04

Posted by: nanajacqui (3075) 

Tom they're saying he ran into the back of a stationary van

Replied: 19th Jul 2020 at 09:26

Posted by: tomplum (6487) 

that sounds like him. grown old but not grown up, I've just been to his camp, he's not been there all night so. he's probably admitted in A+E, .
Will this learn him ? no i don't think so

Replied: 19th Jul 2020 at 10:06

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Replied: 19th Jul 2020 at 17:47

Posted by: nanajacqui (3075) 

So he's back with a bandage round his head

Replied: 19th Jul 2020 at 18:02

Posted by: nanajacqui (3075) 

From FacebookLindsay just read on a neighbourhood watch page that someone’s been speaking to him at the shops. He has got a bandaged head and apparently he needs an op. Poster suspected he’d discharged himself because he couldn’t drink on the ward. Who knows!

Replied: 19th Jul 2020 at 18:10

Posted by: PeterP (7862)

Did not know Kevin had a family local

Replied: 19th Jul 2020 at 21:20

Posted by: tomplum (6487) 

yes he has family local, he is Wigan Born and bred, He was a 'bugger' at skool, mischievous but, not malicious, clever and not pretentious , a good athlete and daring, He joined the army and achieved the status to deliver , Black magic boxes of chocolates to all the fancy pants rich b*tches around the world, after his discharge, he was left to do what the army trained him to do, stay alive,
I'm pleased to report, he is still alive and well, ( or maybe not too well) recovering in his tent in the woods,

Replied: 19th Jul 2020 at 21:47

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (5303)

I think he should have been sectioned by a psychiatrist, and sedated, and handcuffed to the bed (SECTIONING)

Because he is a danger to himself.

Replied: 20th Jul 2020 at 10:00

Posted by: FAT MICK (1543) 

Hes not only turning out to be a danger to himself, he is also a danger to the NHS staff and he general public.
Just imagine how his behavior could have turned out if he had cause a passing motorist to swerve out of his way , but into the path of a young woman walking along the footpath with her children.
Then there the owner of the scooter, who might have lost his job because he cant travel to work this morning.

Replied: 20th Jul 2020 at 10:50

Posted by: baker boy (15456)

TTS i could not agree more h.e does need help and its not by stupid pepole bunging him a few bob outside the off license at poolstock.

Replied: 20th Jul 2020 at 11:46

Posted by: Pewfall (50)

never met the bloke but if i had a beer with me in my bag passing by he'd be welcome to it with a friendly chat. I get so bored of do-gooders moaning about the homeless wanting a beer. I like a beer

Replied: 21st Jul 2020 at 22:34

Posted by: tomplum (6487) 

Pewfall, of that he would be grateful and believe me, you would enjoy the chat, he tells some good stories, He get loads of free advice about ' how to get help' He's lived in a tent in the woods for 12 years, Winter and Summer without home comforts and never moans about it , he likes it,

I'm having a chat with him here, at his home

Replied: 22nd Jul 2020 at 08:37

Posted by: nanajacqui (3075) 

Bet he looks forward to your visits Tom

Replied: 22nd Jul 2020 at 09:19

Posted by: TerryW (4778)

Pewfall. He isn't just homeless he's an alcoholic and offering him a beer isn't a good idea. Have you not read on this thread that he has almost killed himself on a scooter, fair enough his choice if he wishes to die, but he could have caused another person or persons to die due to his drinking habit. I am far from being a do gooder and have experience with ex service people who are homeless and alcohol and drug dependent, the last one was in April this year who was found dead through drink and drugs, the drink was from people like yourself who thinks it's a good idea to give an alcoholic something they should be avoiding. By all means go and have a chat with him take him some food, I would suggest some compo sausages he'll know what they are and would enjoy them, I'm told B & M sell them but I don't know,they are sausages in a tin of lard.

Replied: 22nd Jul 2020 at 10:36
Last edited by TerryW: 22nd Jul 2020 at 10:37:37

Posted by: Pewfall (50)

Hi Terry, why do you presume his accident had owt to do with drink ? Do you know he takes drugs ? If not why mention it? Anyroad loads folk in my job ex forces . i've known 2 die from alcohol but they guzzled spirits. right now i'm sat in a military base. No harm in giving someone 1 tin of weak % carling is there surely and having a chat? i'd say more harm in feeding him that lard. i once bought a scruffy tramp in london a posh cigar and chatted with him. Never seen someone smile so much.

Replied: 22nd Jul 2020 at 17:28
Last edited by Pewfall: 22nd Jul 2020 at 17:49:12

Posted by: nanajacqui (3075) 

More fJack Ainscough deffo not, wouldnt say he abuses peoples at all
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Ryan he really isn’t abusive, pesters but not abusive ????
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Gillian his elderly mum also had a restraining order against him from him being continually violent too her . He’s also been done for exposing himself too young girls . I give him a wide breath now
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Christopher oh that’s good to know, it’s just that I read a post of a lady saying he gave her lots of abuse when she was at the shop ,,, must of been someone else ????
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Christopher A lady here is saying he is a violent man who’s mother has restraint order on him etc ..... are you sure he is a good guy ?????
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Lindsay Yes you’re right. He is abusive at times, depending on how much ale he’s got in him. He shouted and swore at an 80 odd year old woman leaving the hairdressers. He’s also been racially abusive to the lovely shopkeeper too. Not a nice man I’m afraid.rom Facebook

Replied: 22nd Jul 2020 at 18:50

Posted by: Pewfall (50)

Good evening nanajacqui. What is factual in your post? It is just reads to me a stream of badly spelt tittle-tattle keyboard of opinionated conjecture? I go for TomPlums opinion. Tom has gone to speak with the fella and is not judgemental. I 'd visit the chap if i were closer to home to form a real opinion. Have you gone to have a chat with him to form a real opinion of who he actually is?

Replied: 22nd Jul 2020 at 19:24

Posted by: tomplum (6487) 

the flack on nana's post is mixtures of truth and twisted facts,
he does have an elderly Mum and there is a restricting order against Kevin to go to her house But not from his Mum, His brother and he do not get on so his brother and sister got the restricting order put in place,
Yes he did give abuse to a lady at the hairdressers who looked down her nose at him and made a derogatory remark, Yes he swore at the Chinese chippy owner when the Chinese shop owner told him to F''k off home, Kevin has lived in Poolstock and goose Green all his life so he took offense of an Asian telling him to go home, I cannot tell you he's an angel because he is not, he has many faults, as we all do, yes, he's an alcoholic and he has no intention of ever finding work, I'm just an onlooker and giving you the facts I know about him and mostly, he's nice guy,

Replied: 22nd Jul 2020 at 19:58

Posted by: tomplum (6487) 

I spoke to him today and he gave his account of the incident

be warned, he does swear a bit

Replied: 22nd Jul 2020 at 20:59

Posted by: nanajacqui (3075) 

Oh dear me he's in a bad way Tom,thank you for sharing

Replied: 23rd Jul 2020 at 06:31

Posted by: dougie (4421) 

Is Tom having trouble with his youtube link's are is it just me

Replied: 23rd Jul 2020 at 08:11

Posted by: TerryW (4778)

Pewfall. Read my post properly, I stated that I have experience with ex service people who are homeless and alcohol and drug dependent, I know from Tom's posts that he is an alcoholic, I never suggested he took drugs only alcohol. Now I know that an alcoholic on a scooter is not a good idea is it? Giving an alcoholic a tin of beer (weak or not) is also not a good idea, he's worth more than that, as for the compo sausages they were in the military 4 and 10 man ration packs he may remember and with this guy living rough the lard would hardly do as much harm then the alcohol he consumes, I doubt he has much body fat.

Replied: 23rd Jul 2020 at 09:05

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (5303)

Can anyone tell me why when he walked out of Salford Royal only wearing a blanket, suffering from serious injuries, the police were not called to take him into protective custody, where he could have been sectioned under the mental health act ?

Replied: 23rd Jul 2020 at 10:14

Posted by: firefox (2158)

Dougie, It's just you. Video plays fine.

Replied: 23rd Jul 2020 at 10:35

Posted by: tuddy (1086)

Got to agree with Terry, it's not a good idea to give alcohol to an alcoholic, would we give a tin of Evo Stick to someone who was addicted to glue sniffing? As for Kevin not being a drug addict, is alcohol not classed as a drug?

Replied: 23rd Jul 2020 at 10:44

Posted by: dougie (4421) 

Thank's, Firefox for your reply will look into it

Replied: 23rd Jul 2020 at 11:51

Posted by: FAT MICK (1543) 

Im just wondering how much money was wasted trying to save Kevin life last week, maybe £10,000 maybe £20,000, and just imagine the upset he caused to the other sick and suffering people in the A&E last week when they brought him shouting his head off.
Yes hes not only turning out to be a danger to himself, he is also a danger to the NHS staff and he general public.
Just imagine how his behavior could have turned out if he had cause a passing motorist to swerve out of his way , but into the path of a young woman walking along the footpath with her children.
Then there the owner of the scooter, and the damaged car who might have lost his job because he cant travel to work now.

All this just because hes was in the army.

Replied: 23rd Jul 2020 at 14:56

Posted by: FAT MICK (1543) 

Can anyone tell me why when he walked out of Salford Royal only wearing a blanket, suffering from serious injuries, the police were not called to take him into protective custody, where he could have been sectioned under the mental health act ?

Maybe the police were busy sorting other out at the time.
I remember patient walking out of Wigan infirmary a few years ago and jumping into the river Dougie but he drowned.

Replied: 23rd Jul 2020 at 15:00

Posted by: jack52 (101)

Unfortunately till Kevin admits he has got a substance misuse problem and wants any help there is nothing much people can do to help him.


Replied: 23rd Jul 2020 at 15:31

Posted by: Pewfall (50)

TerryW, i respectfully read your post properly. You please read my post properly too : I say again you are assuming he was under influence of alcohol when the accident happened? Where is evidence of this ? I say again why did you spout on about drugs in your post? - Also who are you to judge the amount of body fat this chap has? You warble on about compo ration packs - We had last compo rations in the 1980's. I fondly remember the Spangles sweets.. I reassert I am in a military base right now. I spent all yesterday afternoon on a blunt harrowing course dealing with ethics and moral responsibilities in a non-civilian environment. Not much power point but what was shown on power point and the real dits of things that have happened in the likes of Afghanistan was sobering.
Please don't judge others and know what they've been through by your own opinion. I maintain i'd give Kev a 3 % tin of carling anytime and look forward to his story / ies anytime - that is if i were closer to home.

Replied: 24th Jul 2020 at 00:44

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (5303)

Some folk on here are up their own bottoms with self-importance

Replied: 24th Jul 2020 at 07:50

Posted by: TerryW (4778)

"you are assuming he was under influence of alcohol when the accident happened? "

He's an alcoholic need I say more? As I stated in my first post about a homeless ex serviceman "the last one was in April this year who was found dead through drink and drugs" that was the only time I mentioned drugs, I see no problem in that statement neither is there any accusation of the person discussed of him being a user.

So you are in a military base just now pray tell what that has that to do with this thread or indeed the person under discussion? Was there really a need to "reassert" or warble on about this in a second post?

By the way I never assume it's a bad habit and 80% of the time you get it wrong just as you have done assuming about my comments on drug use or the body fat he has on him, I watched the videos Tom kindly posted and noticed how he looked. If you are an ex serviceman you seem to have lost your attention to detail. Well do carry on with your irresponsible acts of giving alcoholic drinks of any strength to an alcoholic I'm sure you will feel you are doing him a favour. I'll leave that with you, have a nice day.

Replied: 24th Jul 2020 at 10:51

Posted by: Pewfall (50)

Hi Terry , you seem quite angry.

You are putting 2 +2 together and getting 12. Many alcoholics no longer dirnk and abstain foreverThey will remain alcoholics. .just like a smoker gives up cigs but will always remain a smoker. How do you know Kev's BAC at time of his accident caused his accident? You don't , you are making assumptions. The reason i mention i am in an military base is becaue the modern MOD is changing for better and reversing anthesis outdated opinions like yours for the better. We don't do anger any more in the military. I am sorry to upset you.

Replied: 27th Jul 2020 at 00:27

Posted by: TerryW (4778)

I never assume and certainly never get upset about foolish and incorrect statements like yours on a screen. There you go again with your military base and MoD remarks, am I supposed to be impressed by this?, I'm afraid you are posting to the wrong person on these matters but I don't feel the need boast on this as you seem to do.

"The reason i mention i am in an military base is becaue the modern MOD is changing for better"

I'm sure your influence on the base will be greatly received and changes to service life put into immediate effect by said MoD, maybe add a few more points you have thought up to the army leadership code. By the way your rules of engagement leave a lot to be desired, very poor!

Goodbye.




Replied: 27th Jul 2020 at 11:45
Last edited by TerryW: 27th Jul 2020 at 11:59:09

Posted by: firefox (2158)

Pewfall, Kevin isn't a recovering alcoholic, but if he was, it makes your suggestion that you would offer him alcohol even more ridiculous.
Kevin is an alcoholic. He drinks whenever he is able.

Replied: 27th Jul 2020 at 12:30

Posted by: TerryW (4778)

Firefox. I thought that was obvious with all the posts and videos about the chap by Tom and others. This Pewfall is more concerned with letting us all know he's on a "military base" and due to that fact anything I say about giving an alcoholic a tin of beer is wrong and outdated. Moronic comments really i.e. " the modern MOD is changing for better and reversing anthesis outdated opinions like yours for the better".

I take it from that remark any serviceman/woman for whatever reasons and is drinking to excess should be given more alcohol of any strength.


Replied: 27th Jul 2020 at 13:57

Posted by: firefox (2158)

Feed the habit, that's the modern way?

Replied: 27th Jul 2020 at 14:22

Posted by: tomplum (6487) 

Pewfall, I'm intrigued with your responses towards Kevin and curious to know what your connection with the MoD is, also your username is Pewfall,
there is a district near Ashton in Makerfield called Pewfall, Do you come from there ?

Thanks,

Replied: 27th Jul 2020 at 20:20

Posted by: Pewfall (50)

Reet, deep breath - Yep Tom these days i work for MOD in a specialised function. No i don't live in Pewfall, I was born in Kent but don't tell Tonker.
Yes i am on a military base now but don't need to salute anyone these days.
Terry asks why i keep mentioning forces / MOD etc. Very fair point.
This post is about homeless Kevin.
Terry first broached the words "ex services" folk on his post on 22nd July. I presumed Terry knew that Kevin had served in the forces hence why i subsequently mentioned MOD. I may be incorrect.

Ex-forces historically are often not the best at smoothly blending back into civilian society hence why many end up on the streets. Perhaps this may explain why Kevin happily lives in the unorthodox way he does? I don't know.
Terry. I am quite happy for you to mock me with your smiley faces when I say the MOD is changing for the better.
When a young serviceman with a good career and long life ahead of him tragically shoots himself and his sticky brains are all over your desk you might have a bit more compassion and find your internet smiley faces aren't quite so amusing.
This is why i shamelessly reiterate the MOD is changing for the better - I am not proud to work for the MOD. I I am however proud that it is an organisation that has started to seriously recognise and support people serving, often many miles isolated away from home. This new focused attitude may well minimise future tragedy of your family or mine ? I will neither never take back the learnings on my recent course on suicide awareness. Best regards to you.

Replied: 29th Jul 2020 at 00:17

Posted by: FAT MICK (1543) 

Pewfall, its good to have somebody like yourself who can smart talk back to these rejects who keep coming back onto Wiganworld.

Replied: 29th Jul 2020 at 07:14

Posted by: TerryW (4778)

I agree Mat Fick it's just 'smart talk' with no real substance other than to promote ones self in the eyes of WW readers. As for the comment about the "young serviceman with a good career and long life ahead of him tragically shoots himself and his 'sticky brains' are all over your desk" I find that you have done this young man a great disservice if it's true by posting the details which is rather disturbing, posted for affect I think. Compassion?, words fail really.

I really don't care what reply you post after that as it won't be reciprocated.

Replied: 29th Jul 2020 at 08:56

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (5303)

Young people of today and yesterday know what doing a job like being a police officer, or soldier is going to be like, it is no secret what sort of situations they will have to deal with, as is the case with all front line workers in this world, and this is explained to prospective candidates at the interview stage of the job selection, so no one can start a job like that and say that they did not know what they would have be dealing with.

If a person who starts such a job feels that they are not cut out for that type of job, then finish and go and do another type of job.

Replied: 29th Jul 2020 at 09:18

Posted by: TerryW (4778)

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (4979)

"Some folk on here are up their own bottoms with self-importance"

I can only agree.

Replied: 29th Jul 2020 at 09:26

Posted by: TerryW (4778)

Getting back on track about Kevin. I hope he is getting the medical help he needs now to sort his injuries, maybe help with his drinking at another time if and when he takes the step to get the help. I wish him well.

Replied: 29th Jul 2020 at 09:37

Posted by: tomplum (6487) 

Hello Pewfall , thank you for that info, Although your description of that young soldier was a bit graphic I'm sure you meant it hypothetically, Anyways Kevin is not in anyway suicidal, He is happy living in the woods, If you know the area, its in the woods in the Westwood area, I can't be too descriptive because, He lives in a tent and he is vulnerable alone,
He's feral, like a fox living in the woods but comes out to areas where there is food/drink and to socialize , then goes back in the woods to sleep,
He won't accept help from the British Legion because, the first thing they want him to do is, Detox,
He is now 53 years old, he's got underlying conditions and if that wound on his head gets infected, he's in real trouble,
how would you or your dept deal with him, ?

Replied: 29th Jul 2020 at 09:57

Posted by: tonker (21856) 

Demotion by one rank?

Replied: 29th Jul 2020 at 10:36

Posted by: firefox (2158)

Have a drink withg the alcohol dependant, that's the answer.

Replied: 29th Jul 2020 at 11:21

Posted by: Pewfall (50)

Hiya Tom, i regret i am not talking hypothetically about the person who blew his brains out. There was a mad dash to contact this poor soul's family so they did not firstly learn of his sad tragedy by Social Media. Terry. I haven't done him any disrespect. I did not mention his name, age, service, place or time - i could post all here in one local newspaper link. You say what i posted was "disturbing". I totall agree. You said i posted it "for affect i think". I totally agree it was an unpleasant situation we all wish would never happen again. Back to original post...........Kevin... I'm a long way from home but when closer to Wigan i reaffirm i'd like to go spins some non-judgemental dits with Kevin........ also my wife's a belting cook.

Replied: 30th Jul 2020 at 00:38

Posted by: tonker (21856) 

" Back to original post...........Kevin... I'm a long way from home but when closer to Wigan i reaffirm i'd like to go spins some non-judgemental dits with Kevin........ also my wife's a belting cook."


So. You're going to invite Kev round to your house for his tea on Sunday?

Replied: 30th Jul 2020 at 18:06

Posted by: firefox (2158)

With tins of weak lager a-plenty

Replied: 30th Jul 2020 at 18:17

Posted by: tomplum (6487) 

and if you do bring tins of beer, I'll have a couple too,

Replied: 30th Jul 2020 at 20:56

Posted by: Pewfall (50)

Hi Tonker, Very much yes would invite Kevin if I were to be at home Sunday afternoon. You would be most welcome to call around too. I'm quite proud of my home-made Yorkshire puddings. My wife does best sunday roast potatoes anyone has ever seen.

Replied: 31st Jul 2020 at 00:07

Posted by: tonker (21856) 

Would we have to wear facemasks?

Replied: 31st Jul 2020 at 18:44

Posted by: Pewfall (50)

Surprise Greater Manchester lockdown since midnight Tonker - oh ek! , folk can't now visit other folk. Do you happen to know if Wigan is in Greater Manchester ?

Replied: 1st Aug 2020 at 21:08

Posted by: tomplum (6487) 

yes it is but, its not recognized by anyone in wigan only Tonker , We are still in Lancashire in my book,

Replied: 1st Aug 2020 at 21:12

Posted by: tomplum (6487) 

forgot to say, although tonks knows the borderlines, he does not recognize the lockdown rules, so he would still come for Sunday Lunch

Replied: 1st Aug 2020 at 21:27

 

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