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Started by: frecky (421)

L/pool in the CL final... game of two halves but played great in second half.... well done.

Started: 3rd May 2022 at 22:13

Posted by: Don GB (632)

Frecky, want to buy a flight to Paris?

Replied: 4th May 2022 at 22:45

Posted by: wnwanderer (45)

@Don GB

Most of them have more chance of finding Paris

Replied: 4th May 2022 at 22:54

Posted by: chatty (8819) 

Really?
Who had your flight to Madrid then?

Replied: 4th May 2022 at 22:54

Posted by: Don GB (632)

Ey up, up pops a bitter has beens "supporter" right on cue.

Who did trafford play in the european knockout trophy tonight then?

Mind the "very large" gap!

Replied: 4th May 2022 at 22:59

Posted by: Don GB (632)

Good luck to Liverpool in the final.

Bring the trophy back.

Replied: 4th May 2022 at 23:01

Posted by: whups (8530) 

oh dear yet again .

Replied: 5th May 2022 at 00:01

Posted by: Owd Codger (807)

For any top class football club to concede three goals in the space of five minutes of added time and lose what was a match winning lead in a cup tie is ridiculous.

And how anyone can gloat that a British club lost on the verge of getting into a final is beyond rational thinking, especially when living on past memories of greatness!

Replied: 5th May 2022 at 07:17

Posted by: chatty (8819) 

Who did trafford play in the european knockout trophy tonight then?

"tonight" wasn't about who we played, it was about you not winning it AGAIN.

Please don't let this knock the stuffing out of you men.
Bring back the League trophy City

Replied: 5th May 2022 at 09:49

Posted by: chatty (8819) 

And how anyone can gloat that a British club lost on the verge of getting into a final is beyond rational thinking,

Don't worry I'll make amends by cheering Liverpool on in the final... yea right.

Replied: 5th May 2022 at 10:28

Posted by: peter g (3093) 

Never laughed as much since Denis Law sent Man U down.

Replied: 5th May 2022 at 10:41

Posted by: Don GB (632)

Agreed OC , two minutes of lost concentration cost us dearly.

The bitter has beens have won nothing of note for a decade now and fortunately they won't be embarrassing themselves and the country again in Europe next season (unless they qualify for the conference).

It's left to the two real football powerhouses in the North West to fly the flag in the latter stages of the european "knockout" trophy (as well as The Premier League). Even though The English Champions have been knocked out.

Go get that knockout trophy Liverpool!

Replied: 5th May 2022 at 10:48
Last edited by Don GB : 5th May 2022 at 10:49:28

Posted by: Don GB (632)

Peter g

I'm not surprised you were laughing, no doubt with relief.

At least you will have a chance of winning it now, you lot were dreading meeting City in the final if social media is anything to go by.

I genuinely hope you win it, it will really annoy the trafford bitters.

Replied: 5th May 2022 at 10:54
Last edited by Don GB : 5th May 2022 at 10:55:26

Posted by: chatty (8819) 

Yea that's the way to go, City not capable of "annoying" United fans so hope somebody else can.



Replied: 5th May 2022 at 11:06

Posted by: peter g (3093) 

Don you are saying City are a better team than Real Madrid than are you I would have preferred to have played City than them look what happened a few weeks ago at Wembley. Real are a different kettle of fish and harder to beat like you found last night.

Replied: 5th May 2022 at 11:14

Posted by: Don GB (632)

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. We were much the better team over both legs and shot ourselves in the foot. Such is life.

At Wembley you played a weakened team who were also battered after the battle of Atletico a few days before. As the second half progressed we took control. If the game was ten minutes longer you would have lost.

Real are a shadow of their former selves and City should have finished them off in both legs but they don't know when they are beaten (fair play to them). We had a ridiculously weakened back line in the first leg and that is why they managed three goals. Yesterday there were no excuses apart from complacency. If you aren't as complacent as we were you will absolutely maul them.

Replied: 5th May 2022 at 11:29

Posted by: whups (8530) 

denis law did,nt send united down it was an accumilation of a seasons bad results . get it right . as for "how can anyone gloat" it,s easy especialy when someone on here keeps throwing down your neck that city are the champions & the best thing since sliced bread it becomes very easy & to make a mockery out of that statement just watch how a "supposed" great team lose a 2-0 lead & go out in 5mins EMPHISISES just how great they really are . just wait till it all comes crashing down the manchester ship canal will have to be dredged of city shirts .

Replied: 5th May 2022 at 11:54
Last edited by whups: 5th May 2022 at 11:56:46

Posted by: Don GB (632)

whups, as you know you are on ignore.

As your previous contributions were somewhat lacking I assume that your latest post is in line with the relevance of the club you "support".

This is a thread about the EKT and as your team were knocked out in the early stages and won't have an interest in next season's either, your comments are inconsequential.

Replied: 5th May 2022 at 12:12

Posted by: whups (8530) 

if i,m "on ignore" then why are you commenting on my posts ? . another lie 0yrs .it look by your reply that my comments are"inconsequential"isnt true , are they .

Replied: 5th May 2022 at 12:17

Posted by: Don GB (632)

On ignore

Replied: 5th May 2022 at 12:28
Last edited by Don GB : 5th May 2022 at 12:28:59

Posted by: whups (8530) 

good i,ll wear it as a badge of honour . you cant take it can you but like dishing it out . wot a fake .

Replied: 5th May 2022 at 12:33

Posted by: ianp. (778) 

At times, I just cannot understand such animosity. For me, I am extremely disappointed in Manchester City not reaching the final and extremely delighted in Liverpool reaching the final. I certainly wanted to see a final of two English teams competing for the Cup.
I cannot agree with some of the things that have been said. I do not believe that Liverpool are feeling relieved that they aren't facing Man City in the final. Neither are they feeling relieved that they are going to be facing Real Madrid. Jürgen Klopp and the Liverpool players know what they have to do and they aren't naive nonentities; relief doesn't come into it!
With regard to yesterday's match and which team was the best, it is down to personal opinion and, if you wish, the end result. Man City looked exceptionally good at times and certainly dominated the game during these periods. Sadly, City failed to do what England have failed to do on many occasions, and that is to stick that ball into the back of the net. City had their chances and should have had that ball in the back of the net a number of times. Those two disastrous minutes should have never ocurred and it wasn't due to Real Madrid's players being the best on the pitch, it was due to Man City's players losing concentration and releasing the pressure that they had been applying.
Additionally, and I feel I need to say this, the referee wasn't a help and did no favours for City. Real Madrid's players were up to their usual tricks - like many teams from these parts of Europe - of falling down or diving and rolling in agony trying to get a penalty etc. Many times they succeeded in gaining this advantage and also frustrated the opposition. Sometimes they didn't reap any rewards with their Hollywood acting etc. But, the referee didn't produce the 'Yellow Card' for such behaviour, which is now a rule to try and stop this kind of play. I also saw some of the antics of some of the Real Madrid's players and this is to harass the referee, especially over decisions which hadn't gone their way; this is to place pressure on the referee and possibly some fear. At the end of the first half, some Real Madrid players had surrounded the referee and were strongly complaining about certain decisions. Stupidly, the referee didn't put his foot down and warn them, even to the point of showing a yellow card - which can be shown even at the time.
I am deeply hoping that Liverpool easily beat Real Madrid - 5:0 would be a nice result. Although, I cannot see this happening, but I feel quite sure that Liverpool will pull it off. I will also be behind Liverpool all the way!

Replied: 5th May 2022 at 12:42

Posted by: whups (8530) 

i,ll be behind liverpool , with my size 10 boot .

Replied: 5th May 2022 at 12:44

Posted by: Don GB (632)

A fair, reasoned and accurate post Ianp.

Replied: 5th May 2022 at 12:56

Posted by: ianp. (778) 

Liverpool are a fighting team, we have seen this on many occasions, and Jürgen Klopp is a credit to this. He has great character, a great attitude and a fighting spirit.
I remember watching that match were Liverpool had been written off at half-time: I believe they were losing 3:0 and the commentators were predicting a 5:0 or more as an end result. But, by the sixtieth minute the game had certainly changed - and we know how the match ended.

Replied: 5th May 2022 at 12:58

Posted by: ianp. (778) 

DonGB, Thanks!
I watched the match from start to finish and I can honestly say this, by the 85th minute I believed that City were on their way to the final and nothing was going to stop them!

Replied: 5th May 2022 at 13:01

Posted by: chatty (8819) 

A squad with two full international teams in it and he's still whining about "weakened" teams.

Replied: 5th May 2022 at 13:53

Posted by: GOLDEN BEAR (4819) 

Being a browned off Man Utd Supporter ,I would like to whole heartedly
congratulate Liverpool F.C. on reaching another Champion's League Final Also i wish them the very best of luck you deserve it . GB.

Replied: 5th May 2022 at 14:49

Posted by: whups (8530) 

and wot did you think after 120 mins ? .

Replied: 5th May 2022 at 15:24

Posted by: Tiger cat (657) 

Well done Madrid,

Replied: 5th May 2022 at 15:29

Posted by: grimshaw (3326) 

Just this minute read the post from ianp.
I concur that it is a question of opinion.
Opinions are like arseholes .
Everyone has one .
You make my point ian.
Failure to sign the likes of Harry Kane, who no doubt would have taken the chances created meant when chances were created the likes of jesus failed .
I will predict even now that the berties will not win the C L next season .
After all they are experts at it .

Replied: 5th May 2022 at 16:11

Posted by: frecky (421)

GB is a proper fan......the rest are proper fanatics........so sad.

Replied: 5th May 2022 at 19:18

Posted by: grimshaw (3326) 

You are the sad one pal.
Lighten up why dont you .

Given i have seen utd play on more grounds than i can recall i class myself as a proper fan.

Replied: 5th May 2022 at 19:34

Posted by: frecky (421)

Bullshit.....

Replied: 5th May 2022 at 20:09

Posted by: whups (8530) 

and your no diffrent when it comes to liverpool frecky .

Replied: 6th May 2022 at 00:00

Posted by: Owd Codger (807)

Well said, Golden Bear

The comment of a true football supporter which is more that be said of the four bitter and twisted United supporters who come on here envious of any other club having any success.

They should be more concerned about the present state of their own club under the present ownership than bothering about the success or failure of other clubs.









Replied: 6th May 2022 at 07:06

Posted by: whups (8530) 

you shud know owd codger as you,ve put enough on here in the past .

Replied: 6th May 2022 at 11:02

Posted by: Don GB (632)

I echo the wise words of those complimenting ianP and GB.

I am am understandably disappointed that The Champions went out in the manner they did and that we will not have a trip to the Stade de France.

However prestigious the european knockout trophy is perceived, it is exactly that, a knockout lottery.

I will be far more disappointed if we don't win the Premier League having attended the majority of those games come rain, shine or snow.

The Premier League is the test of true champions and if Liverpool win that too they will be very worthy champions.

Hopefully they will make it 7 EKT's and still 1 Premier League, but who knows!

Replied: 6th May 2022 at 11:16

Posted by: chatty (8819) 

Which is more that be said of the four bitter and twisted United supporters...

They should be more concerned about the present state of their own club under the present ownership than bothering about the success or failure of other clubs...


You mean like you seem to be more concernced with United and the comments of their supporters on here than anything else?

Replied: 6th May 2022 at 11:49

Posted by: whups (8530) 

backtracking again 0yrs just because your team is hopeless in the champs league . trying to say your not bothered about winning it when the real truth is that your craving for it . it just goes to show the kind of character you have & will get into bed with ANYONE who sides with you . a true fake if ever i saw one .

Replied: 6th May 2022 at 11:51

Posted by: chatty (8819) 

O years I know where you are coming from
When I was a kid and all my mates had Chopper bikes I used to convince myself I didn't want one

Replied: 6th May 2022 at 11:53

Posted by: Don GB (632)

On ignore chuckle brothers, as well you know it!

Replied: 6th May 2022 at 12:12

Posted by: chatty (8819) 

And the fact you go to the trouble to inform folk that you have them on "ignore" means you are not actually "ignoring" them.

Replied: 6th May 2022 at 12:35

Posted by: grimshaw (3326) 

The reply from frecky to my most recent post just about sums him up .
But no surprise.
Its a clear reflection of his intellect .

Replied: 6th May 2022 at 13:31

Posted by: ianp. (778) 

As I said when I first typed on this particular thread: 'At times, I just cannot understand such animosity.'

I really cannot understand why a person (and I assume the person is English) would type: 'Well done Madrid'
For me, the only reason to type those words would be down to being a Madrid fan or Spanish - under these circumstances.
I am certainly not happy that Real Madrid won and especially under the circumstances.
So, I may need to ask this question: Tiger cat, why did you type those words and ended it with a grinning 'Smiley'?

Also, why was this question typed: 'and wot did you think after 120 mins ?'
In my second sentence of my first post to this thread, I typed: 'For me, I am extremely disappointed in Manchester City not reaching the final...'
It is clearly obvious what I was thinking and how I was feeling. I also felt frustrated and quite sad at Man City's lack of keeping up the pressure and the quality play that had been shown so many times during that match.

I would have preferred a Manchester City vs Liverpool final.
For one, it would have been two English teams.
Next, I would have felt that there would have been a fairer match; less diving and rolling around, less complaining to the referee etc.
It would have also been a strong positiveness for English soccer (although, many players aren't English) and a possible motivation for the England team.
It would have also shown the rest of Europe and possibly the World that we (English soccer and English teams/England) are back with strength. Although we didn't win any of the two Cups, we were there in 2018 and 2021, and we certainly made our mark. I watched some of those matches in other countries and I heard a lot of positive remarks about the England team - those remarks came from people who were not English; not even British.
I watched the England vs Germany match on Majorca and I was surrounded by Germans, which wasn't a problem as they were friendly and courteous. Before the kick-off, I told them, in a friendly way, that Germany had no chance of winning and I gave many reasons. After the match, many of them stayed chatting to me and told me that England was the far better team and deserved to win. They also wished the best for England and hoped that England would win the Cup.

So, why are there words being typed to support Real Madrid and words to condemn Liverpool?

Are we not all English and lovers of the game?

I definitely want Liverpool to win and the more goals they score, the better!

Also, I really hope that the referee is from a country where they play physical soccer. I hope that the referee isn't going to blow the whistle every minute of the match. I also hope that the referee won't be fooled by the antics of certain (Real Madrid) players and the 'Hollywood acting'. I have the feeling that some Liverpool players - and we know which players, are going to face a lot of grief (pulling shirts, cutting/chopping down, dangerous tackles, off the camera remarks et al) from some of the Real Madrid players. Real Madrid players are going to set out to annoy and frustrate the Liverpool players, possibly even out to cause some injuries and Yellow/Red Cards.

Good luck! Liverpool.

Replied: 6th May 2022 at 13:45

Posted by: frecky (421)

Gimshaw, I replied to you with one word.....read the post....the reason for that is no matter which team is doing well or have lost out in a semi or final you lot just come on to denigrate.........has the sporting bit gone from sport....so sad.

Replied: 6th May 2022 at 14:46

Posted by: Don GB (632)

Every poster on this site is magnanimous and sporting, irrespective of their Liverpool/City/Latics/Bolton/Wolves/other allegiances (bitter rivalries aside).

Apart from trafford "supporters" (GB excepted).

Quite telling is that.

Replied: 6th May 2022 at 14:59
Last edited by Don GB : 6th May 2022 at 15:01:21

Posted by: Don GB (632)

On a lighter note,

Well done Rangers, it is magnificent to see Scotland represented on the European stage.

Good luck for the final to our neighbours north of the border.

Replied: 6th May 2022 at 15:16

Posted by: Tiger cat (657) 

Ian, I typed it because I wanted Madrid to win, are you not clued up to the rivalry between united, City, and Liverpool.

I hope Madrid beat Liverpool and I hope Chelsea beat Liverpool in the fa Cup,

I am entitled to support any team I wish, and no long winded post will change my mind
Both those teams openly make comments about the Munich disaster every time they play so don't expect me to want city or Liverpool win any game.

Replied: 6th May 2022 at 15:16

Posted by: ianp. (778) 

Don GB, I believe that some posters (not referring to you) do not fully read what is being posted. Some posters are sometimes typing to belittle other posters and/or to belittle what has been typed.

Also, some posters fail to accept 'Guidelines': Abusive language, racism etc will not be tolerated.

Replied: 6th May 2022 at 15:21
Last edited by ianp.: 6th May 2022 at 15:22:52

Posted by: whups (8530) 

if we had to read your posts we,ll be here all day . most of it is hogwash & anyone of a club is bound to be fanatical about them & that,s where the name "fan" comes from . once you nail your colours to the mast that,s it .

Replied: 6th May 2022 at 15:26

Posted by: GOLDEN BEAR (4819) 

Commiserations to West Ham and Leicester City i honestly thought they could have got thro i think MOYES has done a good job with them , also i wish to congratulate RNAGERS for booking their place in the final i really want them to win it now ,So we are almost getting ready to close down on another year of football ,my one GLORIOUS moment is that my home town team Wigan Athletic came back from the jaws of death to win handsomely and claim top spot to be the Division 1 CHAMPIONS ,all the best to them.

Replied: 6th May 2022 at 15:33

Posted by: ianp. (778) 

'I am entitled to support any team I wish, and no long winded post will change my mind'

So, with regards to your words, you are a Real Madrid supporter.

Of course, every person is free to support any team he or she wishes, especially in our English society.

By the way, the adjective 'long-winded' is used to express an individual's opinion of something they have seen or heard and it is commonly used to express a negative opinion. It is possible, some people think in a totally different way to you.
I did not set out to change your mind.

Replied: 6th May 2022 at 15:36

Posted by: ianp. (778) 

Sorry, I had no idea that you had difficulty in reading at a speed which would be considered reasonable. Additionally, my words would never be regarded as a means of deception.

Actually, you may feel the need to check that word 'fan'.

Replied: 6th May 2022 at 15:41
Last edited by ianp.: 6th May 2022 at 15:44:26

Posted by: Tiger cat (657) 

Long winded adjective

( of speech or writing )

Continuing at tedious length.

Have a nice day.

Replied: 6th May 2022 at 15:52

Posted by: broady (18206) 

I understand the rivalry between PL sides but no English supporter should be wanting an English team to lose a semi final and worse than that glorifying in it afterwards. Disgraceful.

Replied: 6th May 2022 at 16:17

Posted by: chatty (8819) 

Football is steeped in tribalism and anyone with a rudimentry knowledge of the game would surely grasp that.
And anyway isn't nationalism also a form of tribalism?

Replied: 6th May 2022 at 16:21

Posted by: ianp. (778) 

Goodness gracious! We are in agreement, broady. We better be careful or we are going to end up 'supporting' each other instead of having a type of 'slanging match'.

Replied: 6th May 2022 at 16:22

Posted by: chatty (8819) 

Every poster on this site is magnanimous and sporting, irrespective of their Liverpool/City/Latics/Bolton/Wolves/other allegiances (bitter rivalries aside).

Apart from trafford "supporters" (GB excepted).

Quite telling is that.


I thought Tc was very "sporting".....to Madrid.

And when was you last "sporting" to United?

Replied: 6th May 2022 at 16:23
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Posted by: bluesfan (1636)

Remember when football fans wanted British teams to do well in Europe? Seems an awful long time ago but social media must take a lot of the blame for the animosity that exists today. I wanted City and Liverpool in the final and the best side to win. I know I'm in the minority so no problem

Replied: 6th May 2022 at 18:32

Posted by: grimshaw (3326) 

Well said .
T C.
CHATTY.
WHUPS

Replied: 6th May 2022 at 19:18

Posted by: ianp. (778) 

bluesfan, I have been trying to show this. As I stated, I just cannot understand any English supporter of sport wanting an English club to lose against a foreign club.
I am with you on this topic and agree with your words.
Are we a minority or is it possible that some people won't post because of the animosity?

Replied: 6th May 2022 at 19:48

Posted by: chatty (8819) 

It's quite easy to say you want English teams to reach the final when you don't have any particular angle on the teams involved.
Had it been say Bolton or Preston or whoever you consider to be Latics rivals in one of those European Semis last night bluesfan would you have been as keen to see them reach the final?
Had it been United in the Semis the other night the token City and Liverpool fan on here would have been cheering the opposition on even if Putin had been managing them.

Replied: 6th May 2022 at 20:49

Posted by: ianp. (778) 

chatty, I would be keen to have either of those two teams reach the final when the opposition is not an English club.
But, it is down to the individual and the way they wish to be.
Please understand that I have no wish to begin an argument.
I have and probably always will lean towards the English team.
By the way, I was not born in Bolton and I was not born in Preston; I have always wanted and will always want Wigan Athletic to beat those two teams.

Replied: 6th May 2022 at 21:43

Posted by: whups (8530) 

funny that as i remember 0yrs "glorifying" himself every time united lost & still does ? .as far as when fans wanted english teams to do well in europe that went out of the door over 40yrs ago . just ask ANY liverpool fan if they wanted united to "do well in europe" & see wot answer you get .

Replied: 7th May 2022 at 00:01

Posted by: Owd Codger (807)

The game of football is indeed full of tribalism, but when it is a case of a British club against a foreign club, you support the British club irrespective of which British club it is.

If it had been United against Real Madrid, I would have been supporting United even though where domestic football is concerned, I am not a supporter of them.

The best of luck to both Liverpool and Rangers in their respective finals!

Replied: 7th May 2022 at 06:59

Posted by: chatty (8819) 

The game of football is indeed full of tribalism, but when it is a case of a British club against a foreign club, you support the British club irrespective of which British club it is.

Perhaps you should be preaching that to the fans of the clubs who still 60 years after the event sing songs about an air crash that decimated a "British club" who had been playing a "foreign club" then instead of having your nose put out of joint because a few fans on here find it funny that another club got knocked out of a European competition in highly amusing circumstances.

Replied: 7th May 2022 at 07:18
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Posted by: Owd Codger (807)

Chatty,

Surely, you will agreed that the same applies to the cretins in your own support regarding Hillsborough.

And what happened in 1958 was a sad day for United and English football as I well remember as a schoolboy at the time.

Their deaths and those at Hillsborough should never be forgotten and treated with respect, no matter what club you support!

Replied: 7th May 2022 at 08:42
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Posted by: chatty (8819) 

Well you will fully understand "rivalries" then.
So all the more reason that your indignation because a few fans on here are amused that a rival club has been dumped out of a European competition in farcical circumstances can be viewed with almost as much glee.

Replied: 7th May 2022 at 09:42
Last edited by chatty: 7th May 2022 at 09:46:55

Posted by: bluesfan (1636)

Yes I can understand it from the point of view of the rival supporters. It's easy being a neutral and wanting clubs to do well. Good discussion anyway!

Replied: 7th May 2022 at 09:53

Posted by: ianp. (778) 

Owd Codger, I totally agree with your second and third paragraph.

Chatty, I slightly disagree, because it isn't all supporters. But, you are right with some of the words, there are a number of supporters of every club who bitterly condemn other supporters and other clubs.

Whups, you are wrong, because a member of my family is a Liverpool supporter and he would totally disagree with what you typed about not wishing United the best in Europe.

Replied: 7th May 2022 at 10:03

Posted by: WN1 Standisher (450)

As a Latics fan it's probably not my place to comment, but i'm rather sad that it's not only an All England final, it's not an all NW Final which would really have sent out a message of where the power in English football lies. I really rate Klopp, and bet that City and United wish he was at the helm at their Clubs. Records are made to be broken and if Liverpool win all 4, it couldn't happen to a nicer chap. As it stands, we've got the League run in on a knife edge and a couple of finals that could go either way. In a footballing sense, what's not to like !!

Replied: 7th May 2022 at 11:39

Posted by: ianp. (778) 

'As a Latics fan it's probably not my place to comment...'

WN1 Standisher, you have as much right as anyone else and, after reading those words you posted above the's words of mine, possibly more to contribute than certain others.

Jürgen Kopp is a nice bloke and not only is he respected by many, he is extremely well liked.
I would like to take this opportunity to wish him and the Liverpool team the very best and really hope that they bring that Cup back to England.

Replied: 7th May 2022 at 20:51

Posted by: whups (8530) 

i very much doubt it & i know loads of l/pool fans & not 1 wants united to do well in fact they want them to lose at every corner . as far as hillsborough is concerned it took that to make them realise wot lose was & until then it was nothing but munich chants & mock plane crashes & iv,e seen it 1st hand .

Replied: 7th May 2022 at 21:54

Posted by: chatty (8819) 

..but i'm rather sad that it's not only an All England final, it's not an all NW Final which would really have sent out a message of where the power..

No need to feel too sad, the only connection the clubs have got to the NW these days is that is where the stadiums happen to be, the owners/managers and 98% of the players aren't from this country so certainly not a region of it.

Replied: 7th May 2022 at 22:34

Posted by: ianp. (778) 

So, you are under the illusion that I am making the whole thing up. We (members of the family) have sat together and watched many matches and have discussed them in a way that you seem unable to do, without prejudice and without bias.
It doesn't matter if you have seen it first hand or any other way. What matters is the type of person you are and the type of people you are with.
To introduce you to the concerning issues of our world and how we perceive it, we need to recognise the following:
A racist is more comfortable with people who are of similar character and this allows that particular racist and the similar minded people to feel stronger and to project the image of superiority and therefore a self-indulgent glorification of dismissing other cultures as lesser human beings.

Replied: 7th May 2022 at 22:44

Posted by: ianp. (778) 

Chatty, it is what I slipped into my typing. The top teams are now international teams due to having players from all over the world. But, we try not to shout this fact out from the top of the stadiums.
Probably, one of the craziest things is, a foreign player is glorified when playing for 'our' club, but criticised when playing for their country.

Replied: 7th May 2022 at 22:58

Posted by: chatty (8819) 

ianp it was actually WN1 Standisher I quoted, but I agree wholeheartedly with your comment, sometimes they are "ours" and other times they're from "elsewhere"

Replied: 7th May 2022 at 23:07

Posted by: ianp. (778) 

Chatty, thanks for pointing that out. I did know you were referring to what WN1 Standisher had written, but I wanted to show you that my previous post was not aimed at you. Also, I wanted to show support and agreement with your post.

Replied: 7th May 2022 at 23:17

Posted by: Owd Codger (807)

Perhaps the problem at Old Trafford is that the club has not got the right blend of British and Foreign players like Liverpool and Manchester City and also had when Alex Ferguson was Manager.

As Ian Wright said after a game where Liverpool easily beat United, both clubs have good players, but the difference is that at Liverpool, they play as a team whereas at United they play as individuals.

Replied: 8th May 2022 at 08:22
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Posted by: WN1 Standisher (450)

Thanks IanP and Chatty. Kind words. It's true that when club's get bought by over sea's investment, a bit of the club's identity changes. The fan's are happy to go along with the security and potential success the new dollar brings and quite right too. If, like what happened to us, you get an owner who's intentions aren't what it says on the tin, then it all falls apart, badly. Big money investment is good and can take you to places you've never dreamed of, but have it pulled from under you and it's a very long way down. I think United have a massive job to get back to anywhere near where they were. This is also fueled by expectation. They were so good for so long, the benchmark, that anything less is un acceptable. I think its the old " you never miss your water ... " with SAF, he was that good and they've struggled to replace him. City, the ' noisy neigbours ' on the other hand have a great Manager, a squad to rival any in the World and can win any competition they are in. When they finally bag the CL Cup, then they'll feel it's job done. All I'll say to them is don't forget where you came from, before the bank book rode into town. Success comes in cycles and it's prudent to remember you'll not always be the big dog, whoever you are. Enjoy it whilst it's there !!

Replied: 8th May 2022 at 10:22

Posted by: grimshaw (3326) 

In the 1999 C L final in Barcelona v Bayern utd started the game with 4 home grown players.
They had 3 more on the bench .
Seven home grown players involved .
In 2008 they had two who started and 3 on the bench.
Perhaps this is one reason why the berties have never won the C L .
One single home grown player involved .
Or was the tie lost in the first leg in M C when Carlo out thought Guardiola..?

Replied: 8th May 2022 at 11:34

Posted by: whups (8530) 

"the ' noisy neigbours ' on the other hand have a great Manager, a squad to rival any in the World and can win any competition they are in."yet they cant win the champoins league . but this isnt unusual for guardiola he failed at bayern munich did,nt he . am i right in thinking he,s only won it at barca ? .

Replied: 8th May 2022 at 12:03

Posted by: WN1 Standisher (450)

I think it's only a matter of time Whups, he'll win another

Replied: 8th May 2022 at 18:09

Posted by: whups (8530) 

maybe but not with city .

Replied: 9th May 2022 at 00:04

Posted by: Owd Codger (807)

Talk about childish sour grapes!

Replied: 9th May 2022 at 07:36

Posted by: whups (8530) 

talk about childish sour grapes how come you only berate just 1 club & no other ? .

Replied: 9th May 2022 at 11:06
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Posted by: whups (8530) 

owd codger you wrote about hillsbrough never shud be forgotten . do you hold the same veiw when it comes to heysel & wot liverpool fans did to juventus fans & the 39 deaths they created ? .

Replied: 9th May 2022 at 12:15

Posted by: Tiger cat (657) 

Whups,

It never gets talked about,

Swept under the carpet by the media,

Replied: 9th May 2022 at 12:25

Posted by: whups (8530) 

it,s always the same tiger .

Replied: 9th May 2022 at 14:52

Posted by: whups (8530) 

it looks like it,s swept under the carpet by the fans too tiger

Replied: 9th May 2022 at 17:18

Posted by: whups (8530) 

funny there,s no replies to my post chatty ? .looks like the owd codger cant back up his posts .

Replied: 10th May 2022 at 12:53
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Posted by: whups (8530) 

wot no reply back todger ? .

Replied: 12th May 2022 at 11:41

Posted by: whups (8530) 

still no reply back from todger ? . i wonder why ? .

Replied: 13th May 2022 at 14:35

Posted by: whups (8530) 

is this guy todger a coward as well ? .

Replied: 16th May 2022 at 12:22

Posted by: GOLDEN BEAR (4819) 

This post is for a friend of mine (I HOPE ) I regards you as my friend i sincerely hope i have not offended you by any posts i have written ,as i respect your comments ................GB

Replied: 16th May 2022 at 14:31

Posted by: whups (8530) 

who is it you dont want to offend alan ? .

Replied: 16th May 2022 at 14:56

Posted by: GOLDEN BEAR (4819) 

What a complete idiot i am !! in my last post ( This post for a friend of mine )) Whups i was referring to of course our Grimshaw !!! You too have been kind towards me whups . sorry for the cock-up !!! By the way are keeping well ? GB.

Replied: 17th May 2022 at 15:24

Posted by: whups (8530) 

i,m ok alan . have you read the question i posed to owd todger & he,s still to reply . wot a fake he is .

Replied: 17th May 2022 at 17:26

Posted by: peter g (3093) 

Disappointed by last nights result, Real deserved their win but at least Wigan winning the cup softened the blow. Been a great season Y.N.W.A.

Replied: 29th May 2022 at 10:53

Posted by: Owd Codger (807)

peter g

Me too, as two of my grandchildren went to Paris without match tickets.

Must have been heartbreaking for them, but Liverpool have not been at their best with a lot of chances missed in end of season games when it mattered.

Replied: 29th May 2022 at 11:14

Posted by: grimshaw (3326) 

3 finals re the Dippers.
Over 300 minutes .
Not one single goal .
Pathetic.

Replied: 29th May 2022 at 11:25

Posted by: whups (8530) 

trouble yet again with tear gas being used . trying to get over barriers again ? . maybe they shud have left the bars an hour earlier knowing there was so many there ? .

Replied: 29th May 2022 at 12:37

Posted by: peter g (3093) 

I agree with you there whups no excuse for turning up at the last minute but 3 of the 4 turnstiles were shut on that side where have we heard that before.

Replied: 29th May 2022 at 13:03

Posted by: frecky (421)

3 finals re the dippers................at least they got there......how many.... nah it doesn't matter...

Replied: 29th May 2022 at 13:48

Posted by: riocaroni (321)

Absolutely disgraceful reaction by French police. Liverpool fans not at fault!

Replied: 29th May 2022 at 14:02

Posted by: grimshaw (3326) 

It never is.
Always the fault of others.

Fake tickets .
No tickets .
Scaling the walls trying to get in .
I have yet to hear of Real fans being tear gassed or trying to get in without tickets.

Klopp blaming the pitch .
Pathetic.

Replied: 29th May 2022 at 14:51

Posted by: Tiger cat (657) 

If fans turn up with fake tickets, then blocked the turnstiles arguing who's fault is it , real fans could not get near,

Blame the idiots who tried to sneak in not the stewards who are only doing their jobs,

It always seems to be liverpool, past history tells you that.

Replied: 29th May 2022 at 14:57

Posted by: whups (8530) 

how many turned up at hillsbrough without tickets peterg & how many tried to get in without 1 ? . did this play a part in the outcome ? . as we saw last night that there were thousands there without tickets & those false tickets were made in liverpool . wot about those who had legit tickets who were season ticket holders & tried to flog them on the "open market" . the tale of the tape always seems to come down on your club & fans peterg . and lets not forget heysel as your lot conveniently seem to forget . or brush under the carpet ? .

Replied: 29th May 2022 at 15:47

Posted by: Handsomeminer (1860)

I've no interest in football but it's pretty clear the British will be policed differently to people from Europe union countries I can't stick the french and truth is they can't stick us

Replied: 29th May 2022 at 18:51

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (9750)

Well I thought that Liverpool played well, they bashed away at the Real Madrid goal, in both halves of the match, but they just couldn't get past that goalie of theirs, he is a big bugger and quick, he was just punching away every single ball on goal

Replied: 29th May 2022 at 21:25

Posted by: whups (8530) 

that goalie played for chelsea & got a lot of bad press & as a result they sold him to real madrid . not only did he play well so did the defence & blocked everything thrown at them . but that,s wot they get paid for ? . maybe if liverpool get to another final they could ask the opposition to play without their goalie ? .

Replied: 29th May 2022 at 23:51

Posted by: Owd Codger (807)

Talk about Kettle calling Pan!

Replied: 30th May 2022 at 07:24

Posted by: fossil (7326)

My daughters friend from work and her son,season ticket holders,got to the ground two hours before kick of and got on the ground after half time with genuine tickets. The worst part was coming away from the ground and gangs of French were attacking and robbing people while the police watched! She also told of a man being sprayed and having an allergic reaction and being hospitalised.
I have seen the tv pictures and my response is that FIFA and the French authorities need investigating,as no football fan should have to put up with that.

Replied: 30th May 2022 at 09:50

Posted by: whups (8530) 

so lets blame the french for everything then . 40,000 fans without tickets , forged tickets made in liverpool , selling of match tickets by season ticket holders for profit, climbing barriers , heysel , hillsbough , getting every english team banned from europe & uncle tom cobbly & all . and at the heart of all this is 1 club , LFC .

Replied: 30th May 2022 at 11:47

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (9750)

I agree, the Real Madrid defence was good too.

Replied: 30th May 2022 at 11:52

Posted by: whups (8530) 

there,s a rarety 1stroke agreeing with me ? .

Replied: 30th May 2022 at 12:06

Posted by: fossil (7326)


I agree, the Real Madrid defence was good too.

not as good as the Gendarmes attack ,going off the reports and scenes on tv.

Replied: 30th May 2022 at 12:38

Posted by: whups (8530) 

how many were there without tickets & how many with fake tickets ? .

Replied: 30th May 2022 at 12:43

Posted by: fossil (7326)

I just saw your comment whups before I logged in and noticed they were your normal whataboutery shite. No more response from me as you are still on ignore so do me a favour and leave me out of your comments by not responding to mine ,thank you.

Replied: 30th May 2022 at 12:56

Posted by: fossil (7326)

Just a general comment about what I heard on Talksport is that a lot of fake tickets were held by french people.
And in all my years as a season ticket holder at the latics,the only time I ever considered myself to be in danger was the day United won the premier league at Wigan when I was nearly knocked over by their fans who broke in just as I was leaving the ground.
They definitely didn't have tickets!!

Replied: 30th May 2022 at 13:05

Posted by: broady (18206) 

It’s like an episode of “ All our yesterday’s” almost every time he posts. Same on general. What ever the subject it is Margaret Thatchers fault. Have a good day.

Replied: 30th May 2022 at 15:09

Posted by: fossil (7326)

Absolutely spot on broady

Replied: 30th May 2022 at 15:35

Posted by: whups (8530) 

more rubbish from billy bullshit still canvasing for support & yes it was thatchers fault as everyone who still lives in this country are now finding out, unlike you . i see you hav,nt addressed the issue fossil . LFC always the victims & never the purpetrator . just take a look at the facts , if you can open your eyes ? .

Replied: 30th May 2022 at 15:41

Posted by: whups (8530) 

and your wrong on the tickets too . most of the fake tickets were made in liverpool .

Replied: 30th May 2022 at 15:45

Posted by: broady (18206) 

The electorate seemed confident in the said woman. Elected with quite a majority. What am I canvassing for support for PADDY. I see you never mentioned a former LABOUR Prime Ministers son managing to get on the housing ladder. A mere £22m home as a starter home. Go for a walk and get some fresh air. Have a good day. Sorry to digress to the sensible posters.

Replied: 30th May 2022 at 16:01

Posted by: whups (8530) 

which labour pm are you on about ? . or do you mean the tory cabinet minister ian gow who told his son to get a massive bank loan & buy up council houses ? .

Replied: 30th May 2022 at 16:35

Posted by: broady (18206) 

Google it. Get some practice.

Replied: 30th May 2022 at 16:40

Posted by: grimshaw (3326) 

Describing him as a bullshitter is spot on whups.
A classic closet bertie who probably watches utd hoping they get beat just so he can have a pop .

Replied: 30th May 2022 at 19:32

Posted by: broady (18206) 

Yes Whups, Yes Dim, how pathetic. Grown men.

Replied: 30th May 2022 at 20:07

Posted by: whups (8530) 

your absolutely right grim . you got it spot-on with "just to have a pop" , that,s bullshit billy all over .

Replied: 31st May 2022 at 00:07

Posted by: broady (18206) 

Bang on cue. The Midnight Moron.

Replied: 31st May 2022 at 00:09

Posted by: broady (18206) 

I predicted there would be a reply between 23.56 and 00.07. Spot on.

Replied: 31st May 2022 at 00:28

Posted by: whups (8530) 

you could,nt predict going to the bog bullshit billy .

Replied: 31st May 2022 at 01:11

Posted by: broady (18206) 

Peculiar to hear someone whose ancestors came from Ireland talking about the bog.

Replied: 31st May 2022 at 01:44

Posted by: peter g (3093) 

Broady The Midnight Moron Ha Ha Ha Love it

Replied: 31st May 2022 at 11:48

Posted by: whups (8530) 

peterg g the heysel hypocrite , love it .

Replied: 31st May 2022 at 12:36

Posted by: peter g (3093) 

I never mentioned Heysel or Munich anywhere MM

Replied: 31st May 2022 at 12:39
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Posted by: whups (8530) 

and that,s your problem along with others on here who conveniently forget about heysel ? . but your all hypocrites where that,s concerned arnt you & always swept under the carpet at it,s very mention.you can see further up this blog where owd codger mentions hillsbrough & when asked does he still hold the same veiw about heysel he refuses to reply . lets take a look at some facts , which team got all english teams banned from europe, which team,s fans killed 39 juventus fans , who had their own disaster & never mentioned fans who went without tickets trying to get in by any means possible ? . who,s fans are now in the headlines for similar antics in france ? . forged tickets made in liverpool , season ticket holders trying to sell their final tickets to make a vast profit ? . LIVERPOOL FC. it took your disaster to make you realise what it means of loss & only then did the mock airplane crashes & chants of munich & illustrations on a plane going down with munich scrawled on it stopped . i,ve been in the anfield rd end & witnessed this so dont come back & say it did,nt happen .

Replied: 31st May 2022 at 13:04

Posted by: peter g (3093) 

Grow up and dont try drag me into you arguments with Owd Codger see you at 12am, Midnight Moron

Replied: 31st May 2022 at 14:47

Posted by: whups (8530) 

listen shithead i,m not dragging you into anything only the truth & as usual your evading the issue yet again . typical heysel hypocrite .

Replied: 31st May 2022 at 15:09

Posted by: peter g (3093) 

Prick why should i answer to a person who has just wished Broady dead

Replied: 31st May 2022 at 15:16

Posted by: grimshaw (3326) 

I see they conveniently forget to mention that klopp openly encouraged the dipper fans to travel without tickets .
Hypocrites just about sums them up whups ..

Replied: 31st May 2022 at 15:35

Posted by: riocaroni (321)

Why do they have Fan Sites in the cities were the final is held? All major European finals expect thousands of fans.If you can remember when utd used to get to finals, thousands of Londoners used to go to the host cities along with a few from the north west!

Replied: 31st May 2022 at 16:36

Posted by: whups (8530) 

show me where peterg . and if you mean lester piggots blog i never wished anyone dead . that,s broady for you trying to get me banned .

Replied: 31st May 2022 at 17:20
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Posted by: whups (8530) 

if you look at the facts in all of them there,s 1 recuring theme . liverpool fc.

Replied: 31st May 2022 at 17:25

Posted by: whups (8530) 

always the victims & never the purpetrators grim.

Replied: 31st May 2022 at 17:29

Posted by: fossil (7326)

The deputy mayor of Paris has now apologised for the chaos around the final exonerating Liverpool fans and pointing the finger at the culprits for it.
A bit different to the bias and bigotry from the United clan on here!

Replied: 31st May 2022 at 20:19

Posted by: whups (8530) 

a bit different my eye.

Replied: 31st May 2022 at 23:44

Posted by: chatty (8819) 

...bias from the United clan on here
As if.

Which reminds me my mate asked my if I had watched the game the other night?
I replied "yea it's a such a shame to see them run out of gas like that".
He said "I thought you couldn't stand Liverpool"?
I said "I can't I meant the French riot police".

Replied: 1st Jun 2022 at 07:20

Posted by: Owd Codger (807)

The behavior of many football fan's, especially when playing away makes you wonder if that it the reason why some main Police stations like for example, the one's at Wigan and nearby Bolton are now situated at Robin Park and Middlebrook.

And in some places, where the main Police stations are still in the town and city centres, new sub stations have again been built near football stadiums.

An observation I have noticed while travelling all over England!

And to think that years ago, you could go to a football game, stand anywhere with rival fan's and with no trouble and bad atmosphere like there is at many games today.

No wonder, many people now prefer to watch other sports and just watch football on television.

Replied: 1st Jun 2022 at 08:45

Posted by: riocaroni (321)

Owd codger believe it or not things were much worse in the 70s and 80s. Even going to watch Wigan rugby we got in many a scrape, never more so than going to Warrington!

Replied: 1st Jun 2022 at 09:14

Posted by: Owd Codger (807)

riocaroni

You are indeed correct about Rugby League in the 70's and 80's as I also encountered on occasions at games on both sides of the Pennines, but it was also during the time that there was the massive amount of football hooligan behavior and violence, which sadly spread to some Rugby League games, especially at Warrington.

Replied: 1st Jun 2022 at 09:56
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Posted by: whups (8530) 

why wont you answer my question owd codger ? .

Replied: 1st Jun 2022 at 11:32

Posted by: Don GB (632)

Attended the funeral of a family friend on Saturday afternoon just off the Champs Elysees, Paris. Plenty Liverpool fans mulling around, all respectful and well behaved, as were the Real Madrid fans.

On the flight back on Monday night I was listening to a group of scousers talking between themselves, matter of factly about the events at the SDF. One said that out of their party of 16 (including kids and women) all had either been attacked by locals or sprayed by the police.

Now, I am the last person to defend Liverpool fans but these were not trying to garner sympathy to outsiders and seemed respectable middle aged supporters.

No doubt there were scallies present at the game.......but every club has scallies.

Replied: 1st Jun 2022 at 20:38
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Posted by: whups (8530) 

i see mendy has another rape charge added ? .

Replied: 1st Jun 2022 at 23:41

 

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