I know this is a long shot but here goes!!! I am trying to find out some info on my granddad John Johnson born 1924/5 in the Wigan area.My dad thinks he may of lived in Charles street kit Green, he has looked on a map.He remembers the street being about 4 or 6 houses and down a dirt track and faced some fields .He remembers living with his widowed grandmother there in the 60s i am going to try and look him up on the 1939 register ,thanks
Started: 19th Nov 2015 at 21:33
Last edited by winnie: 19th Nov 2015 at 21:46:27
Ive looked on the 1939 register and there is no Johnson family living in Charles street does anyone recognise the description of the street
Replied: 19th Nov 2015 at 23:35
if someone lived in Kit Green were would they be buried
Replied: 20th Nov 2015 at 11:37
Winnie, I have been trying to find your grandfather, but there's not much to go on. I did find a John Johnson born in Orrell in 1925 but that's not really much help to you, as it's not necessarily right and in any case it doesn't get you any further.
Do you know your grandmothers Christian name?
Your grandfather must have died young if your grandmother was a widow in 1960s, could he have died in the war?
On this database his birth is registered as in Wigan, but on Lancashire BDM it's registered as Orrell.
England and Wales Birth Registration Index
Name John Johnson
Event Type Birth Registration
Registration Quarter Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration Year 1925
Registration District Wigan
Event Place Wigan, Lancashire, England
Mother's Maiden Name (not available before 1911 Q3) Atherton
Line Number 7
Replied: 20th Nov 2015 at 12:26
From Lancashire BDM
Sub-District Region Registers At Reference Order Online Adjacent Entries
JOHNSON John ATHERTON 1925 Orrell Lancashire Wigan & Leigh ORRL/6/105
Replied: 20th Nov 2015 at 12:31
Hi jazzy that is the birth I have found for my granddad with the same mothers maiden name I think she may have been called lillie .john Johnson died in 1997 he is my dads dad my granddad can't find much on ansestry so I thought I would look on the 1939 register. My dad thinks that johns dad died when he was a kid my dad lived with his grandmother in the 60s
Replied: 20th Nov 2015 at 13:43
Sorry winnie, got confused! Old age is a terrible thing
You did say your dad lived with his grandmother, obviously your great grandmother! I missed a generation.
I will have another look and get back to you if I find anything.
Replied: 20th Nov 2015 at 13:57
Charles st was a off City road, it was facing the Cricket club, the entrance was at the side of the post office, it was only a dirt road.
Replied: 20th Nov 2015 at 14:04
Charles st is on a map here
Replied: 20th Nov 2015 at 14:08
Last edited by dodger: 20th Nov 2015 at 14:29:08
On the St Johns site there is a William Johnson of 2 Charles st, died 06/01 1951 buried 11/01/1951.
He was aged 55
Replied: 20th Nov 2015 at 20:22
Last edited by dodger: 20th Nov 2015 at 20:28:17
how do i get on that site dodger
Replied: 21st Nov 2015 at 12:01
Sorry, wrong thread!
Replied: 21st Nov 2015 at 12:57
Last edited by Jazzy: 21st Nov 2015 at 13:03:59
Was that the road that lead to the allotments Dodger?
Replied: 22nd Nov 2015 at 00:34
EQ, yes there were allotments up there, and it was surounded by farmers fields.
I used to go up there with a mate, to visit one of his relations, it was the lane between Shuttleworths? paper shop and the post office.
Replied: 22nd Nov 2015 at 11:45
As I said on the other Kitt Green 1908 thread my brother rented an allotment up there and it seems the name was Johnson who he rented it from.
Posted by Kitgreener
"Erontquay, as I recall there were 5 separate allotments (pens) directly behind our cottages on Glovers Place. The Johnsons at No 9 had the first. We were at No 11 and had the next. Harry Hill (Hill's Pet Shop) at No 12 had the next. The end one was rented by Bill Shuttleworth" (Newsagents/Toy Shop on City Road). The fifth one was between the first 4 and the farmers field and was rented by Jim Baxter at No 16. Jim bred rabbits and turkeys!
Replied: 22nd Nov 2015 at 14:00
Last edited by erontquay: 22nd Nov 2015 at 14:06:03
iwas born just off peter st which most people know as kitt green but it says on my birth cert that its orrell if this helps need to know were the boarder line runs
Replied: 9th Dec 2015 at 20:03
I belive City road was the border between Wigan and Orrell, one side was in Wigan, and the other side was in Orrell.
Replied: 10th Dec 2015 at 14:27
Here´s a strange one , just been on old-maps.co.uk .....
1849 map of Kitt Green / Orrell .... the area around top end of Mpntrose Avenue is called "Orrell City" . Never heard that before . Origins of City Road´s name ?
Replied: 11th Dec 2015 at 20:08
Dodger, you're wrong.
City Road was the boundary between Orrell and Pemberton.
Talking about local authorities - it was the boundary between Orrell Urban District Council and Pemberton Urban District Council, which later became part of Wigan County Borough Council.
Replied: 14th Dec 2015 at 00:28