Joe Biden...

Started by: jarvo (29979) 

Is this guy the dullest man ever to contend for the American Presidency?

OMG...God help us all if this arl dodder gets in.

I much prefer the entertaining Mr Trump.

Let us all pray tonight for a late miracle.

Started: 4th Nov 2020 at 22:33
Last edited by jarvo: 4th Nov 2020 at 22:34:35

Posted by: tonker (22783) 

What does it matter to us? We are Engliish and British, not American!

Replied: 5th Nov 2020 at 00:04

Posted by: laughing gravy (6711)

yeah jarvo lets have a mon who tells folk to inject disinfectant and does bugger all whilst 100s of 1000s die!..BUFFOON!

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Posted by: jarvo (29979) 

Joe Biden is about as interesting as Steve Davies.

Replied: 5th Nov 2020 at 06:22

Posted by: basil brush (15870)


There must be some Steve Davies on here, then.

Replied: 5th Nov 2020 at 08:26

Posted by: kathpressey (5228) 

I really think there should be an age limit on candidates. How can a 77 year old have the energy needed to run a country? by the time of the next election he'll be 81. Crazy! And trump isn't much younger. Surely with America being the size it is they could find 2 better and younger candidates?

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Posted by: laughing gravy (6711)

backward folk in a backward country when folk buy 70 million new guns during a pandemic i'm afraid all is lost..

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Posted by: Ranger (16)

To run for President you need loads of money. Unfortunately it tends to be the older people who are the billionaires.

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Posted by: jarvo (29979) 


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Posted by: whups (5266) 

for a man who lost his wife & 2 children in a car crash & 1 child seriously injured i think he,s doing OK . and there is only 3 years between trump & biden.

Replied: 5th Nov 2020 at 14:52

Posted by: jarvo (29979) 

...To be the the most powerful man on Earth?

Behave yourself.

Replied: 5th Nov 2020 at 16:27

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (6315)

The only thing I will miss about Trump, is the Spitting Image character, which I think is hilarious

Replied: 5th Nov 2020 at 17:51

Posted by: tonker (22783) 

Joe Biden's geet a new desktop pencil sharpener!

Replied: 5th Nov 2020 at 18:01
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Posted by: tonker (22783) 

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Posted by: firefox (3239)

In 40 years as a senator, he's done what for the public again?

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Posted by: broady (16460) 

Is it not the best of three?

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Posted by: laughing gravy (6711)

firefox what happened to trumps cheap insulin and healthcare promise?

Replied: 5th Nov 2020 at 20:16

Posted by: firefox (3239)

Ask him. I need neither.

Replied: 5th Nov 2020 at 20:27

Posted by: builderboy (2293)

One thing about The Donald - we won't forget him in a hurry.

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Posted by: tonker (22783) 

"One thing about The Donald - we won't forget him in a hurry."


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Posted by: firefox (3239)

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Posted by: builderboy (2293)

Tonker - touche!

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Posted by: First Mate (189)

Where is Whaker when you need him?

Replied: 6th Nov 2020 at 23:14

Posted by: cardyhills (40)

You’ve lost, Donald. Make it easy on yourself by leaving quietly and stop dragging your party into disrepute.

You are an embarrassment to the democratic process and to America!

Replied: 7th Nov 2020 at 03:32
Last edited by cardyhills: 7th Nov 2020 at 05:02:42

Posted by: firefox (3239)

The Donald doesn't use Wiganworld.

Replied: 7th Nov 2020 at 07:45

Posted by: cardyhills (40)

Neither does Joe Biden...

Replied: 7th Nov 2020 at 08:14

Posted by: firefox (3239)

My post wasn't directed to Biden.

Replied: 7th Nov 2020 at 08:26
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Posted by: laughing gravy (6711)

The Donald doesn't use Wiganworld.
whacker his suckholing buffoon does or has he topped himsel...

Replied: 7th Nov 2020 at 09:24
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Posted by: tonker (22783) 

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Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (6315)

I am starting to think that Trump is right, in that it is now widely accepted that the CIA or its affiliates murdered President Kennedy, so who is to say that in years to come, it will come out that the real powers that be in America, rigged the election to get rid of Trump, because he is a nob, a CIA black ops operation, just like the assassination of John F Kennedy

They could have looked at the main vote count from the voting stations, and then decided how many postal votes would need to be falsified, in order to swing the election in favour of Biden, in the swing states .....

Replied: 7th Nov 2020 at 14:00

Posted by: gaffer (6576) 

This is what Matthew Parris wrote about President Trump in today's Times.

My own response to the (presumably) outgoing US president began in disgust but has edged not to admiration — never that — but a wary appreciation of what he’s been right about. President Trump has shifted the shape of American policy both at home and abroad. There have been some appalling missteps but in a handful of big ways, more than his critics on the left are prepared to allow, this reset was urgently needed.
The Trump presidency was ahead of almost all of us in its visceral understanding of the threat to the West posed by communist China. Clever people have been muttering about this (some, like our last governor of Hong Kong, Chris Patten, more than muttering) for decades, but Trump took the bull by the horns. Post-Trump, neither his own country nor Europe will ever be able return to their relaxed confidence that China’s rise can happen in a way that meshes easily with western interests. Trump saw that it must be at best a scratchy business. He saw that crude shin-kicking has a role in international affairs. He saw the same with North Korea, too.
And there were shins that needed kicking. Our European Nato allies, reluctant to pull their weight in contributions to the organisation, deserved it, and from Trump they got it. In the coronavirus pandemic the World Health Organisation, from which Beijing has blackballed Taiwan’s membership, made a disgraceful start by ducking that island’s warnings about what was happening on the Chinese mainland. Trump gave the WHO both barrels.
It’s all very well for those of us who see the importance of “multilateral” institutions like the WHO and its parent United Nations to bewail America’s turning away; but if President (as I hope) Biden is to re-engage, then Washington will now start with a much stronger hand. Somebody has to play hard cop. Trump had a gut appreciation of that.
We British should stray only hesitantly into commentary on American domestic affairs, so I’ll venture just two thoughts about Trump as a national leader.
First, the political climate in which the last Democratic candidate for president, Hillary Clinton, could even think about calling Trump supporters “a basket of deplorables” had lost its bearings. Trump can be criticised for weaponising the tens of millions who fall through the gaps in the American dream; he can be criticised for over-steering; but he effected a radical course-correction that the Democratic Party must get behind if it is not to flounder in the years ahead. And, laugh as we might at his “beautiful wall” solution to America’s porous southern border, we’d be fools to laugh off the discomfort felt by millions that the influx across that border has been out of control.
Second, although America clearly has a tremendous problem with its police culture, elements in the Black Lives Matter movement started threatening public order in a way which, were I living there, would have alarmed me too: not so much for my own safety as for an erosion of respect for the rule of law that “liberal” America (including Biden) seemed nervous of calling out.
In calling it out, Trump undoubtedly dog-whistled to racists and bigots, but he spoke for many who were not racists or bigots. When he publicly insulted the government of China, he dog-whistled to jingoists and xenophobes, but he spoke for many who were neither. When he spoke for left-behind blue-collar America, he dog-whistled to many rabble-rousing rednecks, but he spoke for many more thoughtful Americans, too. When he abused Angela Merkel in personal terms, he dog-whistled to many foolish isolationists, but he spoke for many who were rightly resentful of EU protectionism.
And here we come to what it is about Trump’s successes that so profoundly depress me as a commentator who would hope to place myself among the thoughtful centre-right in politics.
Are we entering an era in which the right’s only route to power in democratic politics is via the nastier kind of populism? Is there no longer hope for intelligent right-wing parties that do not clothe themselves in vulgar demagoguery? Can right-of-centre thinking no longer be sold except on the populist ticket?

I cast my mind back over our own British Tory political history. I think of Lord Salisbury’s deep and eloquent scepticism about change; of Stanley Baldwin’s appeal to all that was mild, moderate and commonsensical in the English character; of Churchill’s deft blend of what was rousing and what was prudential; of Harold Macmillan’s alloy of paternalism with the common touch; of John Major’s huge appeal in 1992 with gentle conservatism delivered from the soap box. And then of David Cameron’s increasing struggle to define a compassionate and tolerant Toryism that could keep the nasties on board.
But most of all I think of perhaps the last Tory leader to walk successfully the tightrope between intelligent right-wing politics and populism. Margaret Thatcher (for whom I slaved in the dungeons as an aide before she became prime minister) had a super-keen ear for the discontents of what snootier colleagues would have called the ordinary people, but combined it with an equally keen brain for policy, and a deep distrust of mob rule.
Will she, and her mentor Sir Keith Joseph, prove the last to harness a muzzled kind of populism? These days the intellectual right often seem cold and emotionally disconnected: so horribly uncharismatic in an internet age when deference to intellect or expertise is dead, and many operate more on sentiment than logical analysis.
Trump saw that. But how, if not in The Donald’s way — through appeal to an unconsidered kind of patriotism and crude messaging about looking after our own — does the 21st-century centre-right bridge the gap between popular concerns and right-of-centre solutions?
Prominent in commentary in the weeks ahead will be the view that Trump’s administration got many things right, but that Trump was a slob, and a dreadful salesman for Trumpism. But what if it’s worse than that? What if only slobs can sell conservatism to 21st-century electorates? Truly, as Gove said, does wisdom take many forms: and Donald Trump’s may have been a terrible kind of wisdom.

Replied: 7th Nov 2020 at 14:58

Posted by: berylh (2036)

Decision called Biden now officially President elect having passed the 270 mark

Replied: 7th Nov 2020 at 17:15

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (6315)


Don't seem to see anything of Matthew Paris on the TV these days.

There is no doubt that Trump has had the balls to tackle some major issues, which his predecessors have shied away from, such has the military expansionism of China, and the way that China is expanding economically at a terrible cost to the environment, the pollution which China produces is truly horrific for the planet, and Trump has tackled the illegal immigrant Mexican criminals, who have plagued the USA for years supplying copious amounts of narcotic drugs

But as Matthew Paris alludes to in his final paragraph in that article, is that Trump is so bloody rough and uncouth, and it looks well that only a nobhead like Trump will tackle the most difficult of political issues.

Maybe the fact that the way things are going with Trump and that, a war with China is going to be inevitable with the way that Trump is going at the Chinese, and the powers that be, have decided that a war with China, which could involve a China - Russia alliance, and that could lead to Nuclear War and the inevitable Nuclear Annihilation of the planet, which would follow ....

Replied: 7th Nov 2020 at 17:19

Posted by: firefox (3239)

Since 1945 the United Kingdom has had its least deaths of serving soldiers under the Trump administration of any other President of the United States.
Obama killed more People than any other President since the Second World War. He also killed ten times more civilians than Bush.

2020* 2
2019 1
2018 2
2017 1
2016 0
2015 4
2014 6
2013 9
2012 44
2011 48
2010 103
2009 109
2008 55
2007 91
2006 73
2005 27
2004 29
2003 61
2002 12
2001 15
2000 15
1999 12
1998 22
1997 12
1996 21
1995 33
1994 32
1993 26
1992 36
1991 73
1990 45
1989 55
1988 56
1987 40
1986 40
1985 16
1984 37
1983 44
1982 297
1981 47
1980 53
1979 90
1978 49
1977 54
1976 64
1975 67
1974 87
1973 104
1972 173
1971 71
1970 13
1969 7
1968 0
1967 74
1966 66
1965 100
1964 88
1963 31
1962 9
1961 2
1960 39
1959 67
1958 161
1957 127
1956 306
1955 145
1954 229
1953 456
1952 566
1951 829
1950 290
1949 239
1948 329
1947 279
1946 246
1945 30

Replied: 7th Nov 2020 at 19:04

Posted by: laughing gravy (6711)

firefox surely its our prime ministers who are to blame for UK soldiers deaths and not US presidents..

Replied: 8th Nov 2020 at 03:04

Posted by: firefox (3239)

Think again.

Replied: 8th Nov 2020 at 05:10

Posted by: peter israel (1001) 

why don't people who vote to the right not understand the words like repercussions, consequence

Since 1945 the United Kingdom has had its least deaths of serving soldiers under the Trump administration of any other President of the United States.
and what do you think the " consequence" of selling the F-35 stealth fighters and advanced drones to the Emiratis maybe dead people or immigrants coming to the uk getting away from conflict … how about the Paris climate agreement ?? any repercussions, from that??

Replied: 8th Nov 2020 at 05:30

Posted by: firefox (3239)

Type in Google, 'Did America sell weapons to' [insert country of choice here].

Replied: 8th Nov 2020 at 05:38

Posted by: tonker (22783) 

Type in Google - Was Britain selling arms to the Argentinia days before the invasion of the Falkland Islands?

Replied: 8th Nov 2020 at 13:42

Posted by: peter g (2512) 

I liked him when he played centre for Wigan

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Posted by: tonker (22783) 

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Posted by: albion (268)

our soldiers would have thrown there guns down if they knew how this country has changed and come home.Dustbin of the world and getting ready for a big takeover in years to come. Anybody can see this dont have to be clever its happening before our eyes.

Replied: 9th Nov 2020 at 10:15

Posted by: whups (5266) 

i,m afraid that in the land of the gun it,s inevitable that people are going to lose their lives whoever their president is, it,s just a question of how many.

Replied: 9th Nov 2020 at 12:21

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (6315)


Well at least we have now left the EU and all that uncontrolled immigration, imagine if we had stopped in the EU, and still had an extra million immigrants coming into this country every three years.

Between 2005 and 2015 after Tony Blair opened the immigration floodgates, the UK population increased from 60 million to 65 million and now it is 66 million (2019) in 1960 it was 52 million, so it has slowed down a lot since the referendum, but it will only be completely under control after the EU transition period ends in about six weeks time

Replied: 9th Nov 2020 at 12:43

Posted by: basil brush (15870)

me to peter, but not when he scored 2 tries against us at Wembley.

Replied: 9th Nov 2020 at 17:35

Posted by: tonker (22783) 

T.T.S., immigration is nothing to do with the E.U.. The United Nations adopted the 'New York Declaration for Refugees and Migrants' and the United Kingdom signed the Marrakesh Agreement in 2018,' Not all of the E.U. signed.
There's no point trying to turn away all these immigrants, because we've already agreed to accept them !

Replied: 9th Nov 2020 at 18:18

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (6315)


There is a big difference between a few asylum seekers being let into this country, and the uncontrolled migration of millions EU citizens into this country .....

Replied: 9th Nov 2020 at 18:27

Posted by: gaffer (6576) 

Tonker. The Marrakech Agreement is a WTO trade agreement.
The UN compact on managed migration was signed in Marrakech , it’s non binding.

Replied: 9th Nov 2020 at 18:33

Posted by: tonker (22783) 

EU 'citizens' don't want to come to this country!

Replied: 9th Nov 2020 at 18:33

Posted by: peter g (2512) 

BB He made up for it with that drop goal in the Semi Final for us

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Posted by: whups (5266) 

and here it is for everyone to see who,s the lair on here .

Replied: 24th Nov 2020 at 12:46

Posted by: laughing gravy (6711)

WHAT ARE YOU ONNABOWT IDIOT? trump promised americans cheaper insulin and healthcare which has still not happened and i asked where is it! wheres the lieBRAINDEAD

Replied: 24th Nov 2020 at 15:32

Posted by: gaffer (6576) 


Amazon US is to start supplying brand name drugs at a 40% discount to members and a discount of 80% for generics.

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Posted by: firefox (3239)


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Posted by: laughing gravy (6711)

Ooops no Ooops about it,when i 1st posted on the 5th of november it hadnt happened! also gaffer whats 40% off a new heart operation in the US?

Replied: 24th Nov 2020 at 16:02

Posted by: whups (5266) 

you said "what about trumps promise on cheaper insulin" so you must know the price you 2 faced hypocrite.

Replied: 24th Nov 2020 at 17:15

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (6315)

Surely it comes down to things which are done on'th insurance, if yoo get poorly sick in the good old US of A, then you put a claim in on the insurance, and so everything charged to the insurance companies is top wack price

Same as over here if you have a bump in your car, and it is your fault, if you are fully comp, then you can pay for it to be fixed yourself, or have it fixed on the insurance, but if it is done through the insurance, then yoo lose your no claims bonus, but the job will be done properly and the repairer will charge the insurance company the going rate, or he may do it on the cheap if you are paying for it yourself, but it might be a bodged job, and I know you have loss adjusters who try and stop profiteering, but it still goes on, and I would imagine it is the same with medical insurance, in that if you have a cough, then you might buy a bottle of Benylin and you treat yourself, and you are right as reign in a few days time, but if you go to a private doctor, and he knows you have Boopa, then he may say that you need a heart and lung transplant, costing three million quid

There is a fiddle in everything

Replied: 24th Nov 2020 at 17:31

Posted by: gaffer (6576) 


Although the NHS is free at the point of use it costs in taxation around £9000 per year for a family of four.
In the not too distant I'm sure we'll change to the German funding model and hopefully the the German regionalised administrative structure.

Replied: 24th Nov 2020 at 17:58


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