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Started by: erontquay (inactive)

There were 8 in the Wallgate area, can anyone name them.

Started: 28th Feb 2013 at 20:43

Posted by: MarieM (5563)

I can think of Eckersleys, Taylors, Trencherfield. Eront, are you thinking of all Wigan district. There weren't eight in Wallgate.

Replied: 28th Feb 2013 at 20:46

Posted by: erontquay (inactive)

link

The Wallgate area Marie. See the Link

Replied: 28th Feb 2013 at 20:55

Posted by: MarieM (5563)

eront It says there were eight in Wallgate but I would like to see the names.

Replied: 28th Feb 2013 at 21:01

Posted by: erontquay (inactive)

Thats why I asked the question Marie, I cant remember 8. Perhaps they were before our time

Replied: 28th Feb 2013 at 21:02

Posted by: MarieM (5563)

eront They were definitely before our time and I will try to find out from the History Shop.

Replied: 28th Feb 2013 at 21:04

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)

What was the one on Great George Street.

Now Tower Enterprise Park.

You can see the original tower from the train.

Here

Also, are we talking of mills, or companies?

I think the Eckersley site had/has more than one mill building as such, but is that classed as one company?

Replied: 28th Feb 2013 at 21:25

Posted by: erontquay (inactive)

"By 1818 there were eight mills concentrated in the Wallgate area of Wigan".

I assumed it would be 8 mills

Replied: 28th Feb 2013 at 21:31

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)

Yes, thinking again about that sentence, early 1800's, it must have meant separate entities.

Replied: 28th Feb 2013 at 21:35

Posted by: spacebar (539)

Have a look at this link.
Wikipedia

Replied: 28th Feb 2013 at 21:38

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)



Pennyhurst sounds good.

Street is parallel to Wallgate. Corkhills VW on left.

Replied: 28th Feb 2013 at 22:27

Posted by: rio caroni (5077) 

dostaf, often wondered what the tower was on Great George St

Replied: 28th Feb 2013 at 23:05

Posted by: tonker (24049) 

Eckersleys were amongst the biggest mill complexes in the country, if not 'the' biggest, employing over 11.000 workers at it's height.

Now, Eckersleys were in Wigan. Not Pemberton, Orrell, Ince or Abram. Wigan! Along with many more mills, employing many more workers.

That's what made Wigan a 'Mill Town', not a mining town!

Replied: 28th Feb 2013 at 23:38

Posted by: erontquay (inactive)

Replied: 1st Mar 2013 at 17:00

Posted by: smiling assassin (173)

If you google Wallgate mills & scroll through it you should be able to come up with the names of the mills

Replied: 1st Mar 2013 at 19:19

Posted by: momac (11783) 

Dostaf,I was brought up in Great George Street and we still drive down there a lot but I don't recognise that photo at all,I know the tower,but for the life of me I can't remember where it is.

Replied: 1st Mar 2013 at 20:07

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)

Momac, they knocked the majority of the mill down not far short of twenty years ago. At one point, I think the building came much closer to the pavement than the current units do.

Those units face the back wall of what was Peter Blonds.

Replied: 1st Mar 2013 at 20:17

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)

Another thing, Momac, if you drive down Great George Street from Wallgate, you are sent left back onto Clayton Street, as Great George Street is, 'one way' for one part and 't'other way' further down.

See here

Replied: 1st Mar 2013 at 20:28

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)

Comming from Wallgate

See no entry sign at the bottom.

To the right is the Tower estate.

Out of shot, to the left, behind Ledson's is the old Peter Blond place. Latterly De Roma's.

Behind the relatively modern buildings to the right foreground is Wilgoose Lane.

Replied: 1st Mar 2013 at 20:35

Posted by: momac (11783) 

Yes dostaf,will have a good look next time..we went down there this very morning coming back from The Range Chapel Lane..I have seen that shot before..our house was where the white van is and of course our backs were on Willgoose Lane..there's a lot of history down there as is spoken about on the Wall gate thread..ta for the other info.

Replied: 1st Mar 2013 at 22:38

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)



But what was the name of the mill.

I'm sure there's a belting drawing of the area somewhere.

Has a look of an aerial photo.

Replied: 2nd Mar 2013 at 15:52

Posted by: erontquay (inactive)

Could it be Rylands Mill

Replied: 2nd Mar 2013 at 16:50

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)

Rylands is a fair distance away, Eront.

Coincidentally, on today's Photo A Day

Replied: 2nd Mar 2013 at 16:54

Posted by: tonker (24049) 

Rylands were a St.Helens company, weren't they?

Replied: 2nd Mar 2013 at 17:11

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)



Prior to being turned into units, Protector Safety had the place, or part of it.

Main entrance was where Runble Tumbles/Alphabet Zoo now have a unit on the Wallgate end of the row.

Replied: 2nd Mar 2013 at 17:30

Posted by: erontquay (inactive)

I googled "woolen mills wigan" and it came up with this
link

Replied: 2nd Mar 2013 at 17:49

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)



Were there any woolen mills in Wigan, or was it all/mainly cotton.

The Tykes seemed to be wool processors, due to all them sheep who live there.

Replied: 2nd Mar 2013 at 17:52

Posted by: gaffer (6855) 

W & RF Hopwood. Brittania Mills Miry Lane.

Replied: 2nd Mar 2013 at 18:42

Posted by: kathpressey (5344) 

i remember May Mill at pemberton /Highfield

Replied: 3rd Mar 2013 at 09:48

Posted by: detritus21 (382)

Ryland's was born in St Helens and started in St Helens but employed a good few people in the Wigan area

Replied: 4th Mar 2013 at 19:41

Posted by: erontquay (inactive)

Wasn,t Rylands Mill Wigan once Pagefield mill, or Gidlow mill

Replied: 4th Mar 2013 at 22:14

Posted by: gaffer (6855) 

The 1907 map shows it as Gidlow works.

Replied: 4th Mar 2013 at 22:36

Posted by: MarieM (5563)

kath A lot of the Irish people who came over here at the time of the Potato Famine were employed at May Mill. God knows why they finished up here.

Replied: 5th Mar 2013 at 23:21

Posted by: kathpressey (5344) 

Marie I think they were probably my relatives! the men went to the pits . i've wondered myself how they came to be in Wigan but I imagine they landed in Liverpool and went with the work.i'd love to travel back and ask them.

Replied: 6th Mar 2013 at 13:05

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)

I mentioned a pic/drawing on 2 March 15:22 ^^^

What I'm sure I've seen somewhere is something along the lines of this pic from 'Album'.

Though I think it was a more sophisticated image.

Replied: 6th Mar 2013 at 13:33

Posted by: poppy (437)

Eckersleys had 6 mills in their ground No 1-2-3 mills Swan Meadow Mill the Weaving shed and a Training school, add Taylors and Trencherfield and there's your 8 mills.





Replied: 12th Mar 2013 at 14:14

Posted by: MarieM (5563)

poppy I think you've cracked it there.

Replied: 13th Mar 2013 at 20:00

Posted by: b.toohey (186)

Eckersleys
Trencherfield.
Taylors.
Rylands.
Clifton.
May.
Enfield.
Haliday & Constantine
As I remember

Replied: 13th Mar 2013 at 20:26

Posted by: momac (11783) 

Good lad our Bernard.

Replied: 13th Mar 2013 at 20:31

Posted by: erontquay (inactive)

May mill and Enfield mill weren't on Wallgate though,

Replied: 13th Mar 2013 at 21:03

Posted by: b.toohey (186)

No and neither was Halidays or Rylands but these were the mills in the Wigan area during my lifetime.Clifton was in Poolstock as well.Another weaving shed was Makerfield Mill in Ashton and there were two in Horwich.

Replied: 14th Mar 2013 at 03:12

Posted by: erontquay (inactive)

Thanks b toohey, you've obviously got a good memory,but my original question was who can name the 8 mills in the Wallgate area.I think poppy was correct in saying "Eckersleys had 6 mills in their ground No 1-2-3 mills Swan Meadow Mill the Weaving shed and a Training school, add Taylors and Trencherfield and there's your 8 mill"

Did mills 1 2 3 have names?

Replied: 14th Mar 2013 at 09:54

Posted by: gaffer (6855) 

The Great George street tower was the Phoenix Works manufacturer of travel goods.

Cotton mills.

Cotton

Replied: 14th Mar 2013 at 16:24

Posted by: tonker (24049) 

'Good lad our Bernard' .... my arse! The last three he named were in Pemberton!

Replied: 14th Mar 2013 at 19:40

Posted by: b.toohey (186)

Excuse me but I never said the mills I named were all in Wallgate but in the Wigan and district area.The Eckersleys mills were never named and Tonker if you can,t find something useful to add go and waste your time elsewhere

Replied: 14th Mar 2013 at 20:23

Posted by: momac (11783) 

Tonks,which finishing school did you go to?.

Replied: 14th Mar 2013 at 20:42

Posted by: MarieM (5563)

Tonker Butt out. You don't even live in Wigan.

Replied: 14th Mar 2013 at 21:11

Posted by: poppy (437)

erontquay the mills were only known by the numbers 123

Replied: 14th Mar 2013 at 22:23

Posted by: tonker (24049) 

b.toohey said, "Excuse me ..."

Why? Have you trumped?

Anyway, the question was "There were 8 in the Wallgate area, can anyone name them". You FAILED!

MarieM, I might not live in Wigan, but I've spent a lot of time there, and I know a lot more about the place than most who do!

Replied: 14th Mar 2013 at 22:30

Posted by: erontquay (inactive)

Thanks poppy, I have since found this. I assume they were the 1,2, and 3 mills to which you referer Western Mill No.1 Stott and Sons Wigan SD 576 050 53°32′24″N 2°38′28″W 1883 Standing 130
Notes: Western Number 1 is one of a group of mills designed by A H Stott for Farington Eckersley close to Wigan Pier. It is an integrated mill with a spinning block with integral engine house, chimney, reeling and winding rooms, weaving shed and warehouse. It is dated 1884 on the parapet above the entrance bay. The spinning block is built in red brick with a plinth of blue engineering brick and sandstone dressings. It is a Grade II listed building.[47] Between them, Eckersley's mills housed 236,572 ring spindles, 14,554 mule spindles and 1687 looms.[45]
Western Mill No.2 Stott and Sons Wigan SD 576 050 53°32′24″N 2°38′28″W 1888 Standing 125
Notes: Western Number 2, dated 1888, is one of a group of mills designed by A H Stott for Farington Eckersley close to Wigan Pier. It is an integrated mill comprising a spinning block with boiler house, engine house and chimney, winding and beaming rooms. Its weaving shed has been demolished. The four-storey spinning block is built of common brick with sandstone dressings and has a concealed roof. Its two-storey winding and beaming rooms have a deep basement. Its chimney has a plinth of blue engineering brick and tapered octagonal shaft. It is a Grade II listed building.[48] Between them, Eckersley's mills housed 236,572 ring spindles, 14,554 mule spindles and 1687 looms.[45]
Western Mill No.3 Stott and Sons Wigan SD 576 050 53°32′24″N 2°38′28″W 1899 Standing 114
Notes: Western Number 3 Mill, dated 1900, is one of a group of mills designed by A H Stott for Farington Eckersley close to Wigan Pier. It was a spinning mill with a boiler house, chimney and engine house, and a beaming and reeling block. The mill is used as a warehouse. The four-storey mill is built of common brick with sandstone dressings and has a concealed roof. It has a square tower rising above the parapet.[49] Between them, Eckersley's mills housed 236,572 ring spindles, 14,554 mule spindles and 1687 looms.[45].

Replied: 14th Mar 2013 at 22:48

Posted by: b.toohey (186)

Hi everyone.We will ignore the troll he may go back to his cave.!!
Well done erontquay you certainly did your homework.
I worked in the weaving shed at Eckersleys for 25 years and I was the weaving manager for the last 12 of those years before taking up a similar job here in Australia.As each mill closed down the ledgers and documents were passed on to the next working mill and so on until they were handed to me being the only mill still open.I was contacted by the council Archivist saying he had found out Eckersleys was one of the oldest in the country and did I have any historical ledgers or documents.To cut a long story short he said I had an Aladins cave and I allowed him to take and store in the councils care quite a lot of stuff which can be viewed by historians or anyone interested The shop in Library St.has them on comp.if anyone cares to look through them.Sorry if I bored anyone

Replied: 15th Mar 2013 at 05:39

Posted by: b.toohey (186)

P.S.they were stored under the name of Dorma

Replied: 15th Mar 2013 at 05:42

Posted by: dotty (357) 

Eckersleys had Swan meadow little mill as well as swan meadow big mill, numbers 1,2,3, the doubling shed, weaving shed and the winding room.

Replied: 15th Mar 2013 at 08:40

Posted by: erontquay (inactive)

Thanks for the info b toohey I worked at Enfield Mill up to 1971, when I left to get married,our weaving manager was a fellow called Jimmy Diccinson, the owner was called "Father" by all the workers he was never referred to by his name. I often wonder where the girls I worked with ended up after Enfield closed,probably you became their weaving manager Next time Im in Wigan I will have to go and look at those documents you mention.

Replied: 15th Mar 2013 at 13:39

Posted by: b.toohey (186)

Quite correct dotty and my wife Margaret worked at Enfield for a while just after we got married.Can,t remember having anyone from that mill erontquay but so sad to see the textile industry fade out.The same thing happened here in Oz but at a later date.
I believe the documents and ledgers are in the Leigh town hall but not certain of that however the shop in Library St.will have details

Replied: 15th Mar 2013 at 19:38

Posted by: smiling assassin (173)

Western 1 Western 2 Western 3 Britannia Mill Victoria Mill Trencherfield Swan Meadow Old and Swan Meadow Large

Replied: 16th Mar 2013 at 14:12

Posted by: erontquay (inactive)

Replied: 16th Mar 2013 at 14:14

 

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