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Coal mining in Wigan

Started by: brian (838)

When did Wigan first become associated with coal mining?

Started: 26th Feb 2013 at 22:52

Posted by: tonker (24621) 

It wasn't Wigan that became associated with coal mining. It was coal mining that became associated with Wigan!

Replied: 26th Feb 2013 at 23:58

Posted by: Mac (inactive)

Replied: 27th Feb 2013 at 08:52

Posted by: phred (349) 

Before the visitors from Rome arrived!

Replied: 27th Feb 2013 at 09:17

Posted by: detritus21 (382)

Depends on your interpretation of Wigan. If we are talking Wigan Borough then there is evidence to suggest coal mining took place in Roman times with the burning of coal in arley. As there are a number of seams that outcrop in the town centre then it is a fair chance these will have been mined sporadically through a number of different times.

Wigan town wise you would be looking at around the the 16th century for mining. Peter Platts mines were in the 17th century at 1634 he ceased mining.

Replied: 28th Feb 2013 at 18:33

Posted by: tonker (24621) 

"..... coal mining took place in Roman times with the burning of coal in Arley."?

Regardless of what anybody's 'interpretation of Wigan' might be, Arley isn't in Wigan. In fact, nowadays it's in Bolton Metropolitan Borough!

"As there are a number of seams that outcrop in the town centre"???????? Of Wigan????????

Replied: 28th Feb 2013 at 23:11

Posted by: ©art© (6154)

Herewegoagain...Down the honkeytonk road...YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWN

Replied: 1st Mar 2013 at 01:34

Posted by: tonker (24621) 

Take it as you will. As much as you want Wigan to be full of coal seams just below the surface, it's not true. You can't get behind geological fact.

Replied: 1st Mar 2013 at 16:02

Posted by: mache (inactive)

Replied: 1st Mar 2013 at 16:24

Posted by: tonker (24621) 

Hmmmmm off! It's rubbish! As I said, there's only lygnite and cannel near to the surface in Wigan.
Ok, it's coal, and, if it's dug up it's mined, but don't think of 'proper pits' in Wigan mining commercially viable coal seams 'under Wigan'. Because there is none!

Replied: 1st Mar 2013 at 19:33

Posted by: ecmdj (8186) 

yep you have something there tonker ,explains why most of my ancestors coalminers, moved to durham where coal was flourishing

Replied: 1st Mar 2013 at 21:55

Posted by: tonker (24621) 

Why should they move to Durham? Coal mining was flourishing in Ince, Orrell, Standish, Pemberton, Leigh, Golborne, Ashton in Makerfield, Haydock, etc..
All those places would have been 'closer to home' than Durham!

Replied: 1st Mar 2013 at 22:52

Posted by: ecmdj (8186) 

well it must have been sumat, more money ?

Replied: 2nd Mar 2013 at 00:19

Posted by: phred (349) 

Doesn't anybody remember when the dug the foundations for the Wigan baths in the 1960's,opened up a complete tunnel with timber supports,and coal?

Replied: 2nd Mar 2013 at 13:56

Posted by: erontquay (inactive)

mentioned here
Jemmie H gets around

Replied: 2nd Mar 2013 at 14:45
Last edited by erontquay: 2nd Mar 2013 at 14:50:42

Posted by: tonker (24621) 

I taught him all he knows!

Replied: 2nd Mar 2013 at 16:02

Posted by: erontquay (inactive)

Yes, his words had a familiar ring to them

Replied: 2nd Mar 2013 at 16:09

Posted by: Mac (inactive)

Herewegoagain...Down the honkeytonk road...YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWN
HAHAHAHAHA

Replied: 2nd Mar 2013 at 19:18

Posted by: ecmdj (8186) 

hahahaha

Replied: 2nd Mar 2013 at 20:28

Posted by: detritus21 (382)

For your information Tonker

Wigan 6 feet mine outcrops along library street, Market Street , The middle of Mesnes Park heading off up through Gidlow Works.

Wigan 4 feet mine outcrops along Bridgeman terrace, Mesnes Street and then along crompton street and passing close to the end of sovereign street where it crosses darlington street.

Wigan 5 foot mine outcrops along diccoson terrace and passed the bottom of what was central park

Ince 4 foot outcrops just above the dougie opposite central park

Ince 7 foot is round great acre in the township that is Wigan

By the way these are on the 1934 Geological Survey Map of Wigan Sheet 93NE.

I must be mad as I thought that there wasn't any coal in Wigan.


Replied: 4th Mar 2013 at 19:36

Posted by: i-spy (15034) 

remember the disappearing newsagents.

Replied: 6th Mar 2013 at 18:27

Posted by: i-spy (15034) 

one day it was there, the next it had gone.

Replied: 6th Mar 2013 at 19:57

Posted by: kenee (2103)


It wasn't the paper shop belonging to that Irish feller was it?

Replied: 7th Mar 2013 at 19:22

Posted by: i-spy (15034) 

I think his name was Cairns. The shop had to be pulled down cos it was in danger of disappearing cos of mining subsidence.Not sure if he was Irish

Replied: 7th Mar 2013 at 22:26

Posted by: winder (1293)

kenee; I thought it was the old joke about the irishman who bought a papershop and it blew away.

Obviously not.

i-spy; where was the shop?

Replied: 8th Mar 2013 at 15:15

Posted by: lizziedownunder (7277) 

As kids we used to count the number of houses on each side of the road that had the metal bands around them as a game. On long car trips this is what our parents got us to do to keep us occupied.....we as children had not understood the significance of these. They were keeping the houses together......

Replied: 8th Mar 2013 at 20:49

Posted by: i-spy (15034) 

shop was on Mesnes Road - it would have been next to the hairdressers winder.
there's just a gap now.there's another thread about it somewhere from years back.

Replied: 9th Mar 2013 at 00:17

Posted by: winder (1293)

I remember there was something on here awhile back about it, i spy.
I've marked a pit shaft with an arrow in the area where the shop used to be.
It was one of the old Swinley COLL pits.

PIT

Replied: 9th Mar 2013 at 20:33
Last edited by winder: 9th Mar 2013 at 20:35:07

Posted by: thiek c (1093) 

Wasnt there a shaft behind mesnes park on the gidlow side seem to remember it had a iron fence aeound it.

Replied: 18th Mar 2013 at 15:11

Posted by: detritus21 (382)

Where they have built the college there were two shafts of Swinley/Rylands Colliery. There was also a shaft within the park just north of the bandstand. I would imagine the shaft you were thinking of is one of the two where the college is sited.

Replied: 18th Mar 2013 at 18:45

Posted by: winder (1293)

I think the shaft near the bandstand was one of the Gidlow Lane pits.

Replied: 18th Mar 2013 at 19:15

Posted by: thiek c (1093) 

Glad to hear that the shafts were there I heard it said that there handnt been any pits in Wigan!

Replied: 1st Apr 2013 at 02:45

Posted by: ©art© (6154)

My Great Grandad was Undermanager at Gidlow Pit, up at Gidlow Houses (which is in Standish), & his bro' my Great Uncle was a fireman..

Replied: 2nd Apr 2013 at 01:23

Posted by: tonker (24621) 

Artichokes three for a pound in Tesco!

Replied: 2nd Apr 2013 at 19:19

Posted by: vera howarth (2584) 

I remrmber shafts being found in the 1960's when yhe old Victorian baths were demolished.I couldn't say ehen mining first started but it is known that there wad mining in and around the toen in the 14th century.

Replied: 10th May 2013 at 09:46

 

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