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Pub in Coppull Lane

Started by: JR (515)

Does anyone have any positive info here?
Long ago when I was a youngster my dad (who originally lived just off the bottom end of Wigan Lane) told me of a pub at the bottom end of Coppull Lane (behind the Swinley Labour Club). I can't remember the name of the pub but 'Green Man' comes to mind... but I might be mistaking it with something else. He also mentioned houses or cottages down there. I have looked at old maps and they indicate a mill near the Douglas and some properties. I never saw any as a kid - they must have been demolished many years previous. In my 20s I checked the site with a metal detector but only found more recent bits of metal - usually ring pulls or 'silver' foil!
I would appreciate any opinions on this (perhaps one for Tonker?)

Started: 26th Nov 2023 at 20:00

Posted by: mrs m (288)

Don't know if this is the pub you are meaning. Sorry don't know how to post a link.
https://www.wiganworld.co.uk/album/photo.php?opt=5&id=10187&gallery=PUBS&page=2

Replied: 2nd Dec 2023 at 21:39

Posted by: JR (515)

Thanks Mrs M,
This is possibly the pub I am confusing with the one at the bottom of Coppull Lane (or maybe I have become confused over the years on the original narrative). Yes, it looks like the position where Mabbs Cross School was eventually built. I remember my dad telling me that he worked for a local butcher after school delivering (then picking up a bottle of whiskey for the butcher). The butcher then gave my dad meat scraps to deposit in trees where the school is now... for the wild cats! I believe the bottle of whiskey a day had a part in putting a sad early end to the butcher's life. I've looked again at the old Coppull Lane maps and can see a mill and 'mill cottages'... there are other properties that aren't identified.

Replied: 3rd Dec 2023 at 19:01

Posted by: ianp. (923) 

"Does anyone have any positive info here?
Long ago when I was a youngster my dad (who originally lived just off the bottom end of Wigan Lane) told me of a pub at the bottom end of Coppull Lane..."

JR,
I have no idea how old your dad is or would be? But many decades ago, the bottom end of Coppull Lane had no buildings and there weren't any signs of buildings having been there.
But! There were buildings (houses, farms, out-buildings) at the bottom end of Coppull Lane and to the sides of the River Douglas once upon a time; I have seen old photographs showing this area and those buildings.
I cannot say when all of those buildings were demolished, but I am quite sure that it was long before my time and probably around 100 years ago.
Now, if your father was born around the time of WW1, then it is highly possible that he was correct in what he told you.

(The Green Man? - I will say something about this pub after this post).

Possibly, there could have been an old pub in that area (at the end of Coppull Lane) as many pubs were small and tucked between houses or any where which seemed appropriate in those days - some pubs only being a small house with one room allocated as a place to buy and drink a beer or two.

One thing which I can say is, when I was a kid, there were some remains of buildings not too far from the bottom end of Coppull Lane. Between Coppull Lane and the bridge (Haigh Plantations) which went over the River Douglas there was an area which we knew as the Hermitage and this is where these building remains could be seen. I was told that a farm had once been there and relatives of one of my friends had lived there.
By the way, one of my friends lived on Coppull Lane.
Regarding the remains, there were some stone flags, low remains of walls and many house bricks scattered around. These remains were mostly hidden by trees and bushes.

Replied: 16th Dec 2023 at 18:06
Last edited by ianp.: 16th Dec 2023 at 18:47:31

Posted by: ianp. (923) 

"This is possibly the pub I am confusing with the one at the bottom of Coppull Lane (or maybe I have become confused over the years on the original narrative). Yes, it looks like the position where Mabbs Cross School was eventually built."

I believe, The Green Man pub which can be seen via the link "mrs m" kindly posted was not where you think it was (where Mabs Cross School now is).
I believe, this pub was on the opposite side of the road (Standishgate/Wigan Lane).
The pub (a 3-storey high, brick building) is similar to the building which was on that side of the road when I was a kid and which, I am sure of, still stands; this building was empty and was connected to an empty old house (also, 3-storey high) which had obviously been, at one time, a beautiful home of a family of status. Later, this large, beautiful house was owned by Jimmy Collins. I think that it is number 136 Standishgate.
I strongly feel, the part of the building (on the photograph, to the left) where there are four steps up to the door and three windows can be seen is the same building which is still standing. Therefore, it looks as though the part from the four steps to the far end of the building (to the right and past where a man is standing in the road) was demolished.
I believe, The Green Man pub (shown via the photograph posted) stood on the land where the flats now stand and which are opposite Mabs Cross School.
I hope this is of some help.

Replied: 16th Dec 2023 at 18:44

Posted by: JR (515)

Thanks Ianp for your info on this,
My dad was born in 1923. I believe there were some remaining buildings around that time; they are certainly shown on the old maps, particularly to the east side of the river and up towards bottling wood. I can see reference made to the Hermitage building. Maybe my dad witnessed the remaining buildings but was told of the many down there by my granddad who lived nearby. Yes, I have seen photos too, particularly one house destroyed by an explosion (maybe gas?).
It is sad that general landscaping and tree planting was carried out there from the seventies and probably removed the last traces of a bygone era. I agree that if there was a pub down there it could have been not much more than a tiny terraced house; with a mill down there and a farm it is likely that people wanted refreshment after work… and Wigan had an abundance of pubs, some streets with several pubs. Lots were demolished in the 70s when Scholes, Wallgate and parts of Poolstock areas were redeveloped (I was working on the landscaping there back then).
I agree with your location of the Green Man; yes, it appears to be the location that you describe, just to the side of the existing Jimmy Collins’ buildings – the space now Bradshaigh House flats, I think built in the sixties?
My dad narrated lots of local history to me when I was young – unless written down it is easy for the mind to confuse events from our childhood, especially as we get older (I’m now 70).
Thank you for your time to put some perspective to my enquiry; it is greatly appreciated.

Replied: 18th Dec 2023 at 19:17

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (15082)

I think you are on about Bottling Wood.

These pictures and comments are from the Bottling Wood section in Album/Places

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In a map from the 1800's there is a pub shown as being the Woodmans Inn LINK

In this crop and blow up of Bottling Wood, it shows that a lot more property had been built since the map from the 1800s had been printed.



This map from 1914 shows more property in Bottling Wood LINK

And the smallish building at the bottom of the picture with the smoking chimney would have been just across the footbridge from the bottom of Coppull Lane and it could have be a pub

Replied: 30th Dec 2023 at 21:13
Last edited by Tommy Two Stroke: 30th Dec 2023 at 21:16:21

Posted by: JR (515)

Thanks TTS,
Appreciated. Yes, from your photo and os maps bottom of Coppull Lane shows a mill and properties that continue up yo Botting Wood. It appears to have been quite an important snall community back then... of course all eradicated now- I guess the last foundations were removed during the more recent flood relief system.

Replied: 31st Dec 2023 at 18:23

 

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