Either end of St Pauls Ave

Started by: Perkin Warbeck (1459)

Interesting to note that there are two English Heritage Grade 2 listed buildings in St Pauls Avenue.

St Pauls registered in 1983 and St Judes in 2013.

Anyone got a view on the architecture and are there other buildings in the Worsley Mesnes area worthy of historic status?

Started: 7th Oct 2015 at 19:36

Posted by: sir bob (7084)

Original Ben Johnson Pub building

Replied: 20th Oct 2015 at 22:33

Posted by: MarieM (5563)

Sir bob, is the original Ben Johnson pub on the opposite corner to where it is now.

Replied: 21st Oct 2015 at 10:18

Posted by: spacebar (539)

MarieM, the answer to your question is in this thread; Ben Jonson

NB Note the spelling too!

Replied: 23rd Oct 2015 at 18:26

Posted by: MarieM (5563)

Thanks spacebar. I wonder why they changed to the other side of the road. I remember reading somewhere that all that area was once in Pemberton.

Replied: 23rd Oct 2015 at 20:51

Posted by: beep54 (1030)

the thing they have in Common, MONEY

Replied: 21st Nov 2015 at 19:04

Posted by: Perkin Warbeck (1459)

Replied: 25th Nov 2015 at 14:54

Posted by: MarieM (5563)

Perkin, do you know why they changed the Ben Johnson to the other side of the street.

Replied: 26th Nov 2015 at 19:46

Posted by: Perkin Warbeck (1459)

Hi Marie,

Are these the buildings that you presume to be the old Ben Jonson? These are both Grade 2 listed buildings, there is no reference to any of the buildings being a pub.

Replied: 27th Nov 2015 at 20:22

Posted by: MarieM (5563)

Perkin, Thank you. It was something I was told.

Replied: 28th Nov 2015 at 11:17

Posted by: gemfree (inactive)

the two cottages across from the Ben Johnson, 706 has Ben Johnson and I think Walkers Ales painted on the side its very faded but you can see it..just

Replied: 2nd Dec 2015 at 20:06

Posted by: MarieM (5563)

gemfree, I have noticed that. Perkin, why would they have Ben Jonson and Walkers Ales on a private cottage.

Replied: 3rd Dec 2015 at 21:29

Posted by: gaffer (6934) 

The 1928 map shows the current location of the Ben Johnson. The 1896 map locates it farther north.

Replied: 5th Dec 2015 at 20:35

Posted by: GOLDEN BEAR (4457) 

I think it proves our planner's are bonkers, who in their right mind would declare ST.JUDES a listed building, just a mass of concrete .

Replied: 21st Feb 2016 at 16:26

Posted by: lapis lazuli (inactive)

They should restore the old painted billboard signs.

Replied: 16th Jul 2016 at 19:10

Posted by: MarieM (5563)

I would love to know why it says ben Jonson and walkrs ales on the cottage opposite the Ben Jonson

Replied: 17th Jul 2016 at 19:26

Posted by: Perkin Warbeck (1459)


It wasn't the council that had it listed, it was the Modernist Society (Manchester Branch)

Replied: 20th Jul 2016 at 11:09

Posted by: jo anne (33954) 

Manchester Modernist Society - St Jude's Link

I have to disagree with you there, Golden Bear, I think the concrete & stained glass windows of St Jude's together create a fantastic building. I like to think it's Wigan's version of the Metropolitan Cathedral of Liverpool, which I also love.

Replied: 21st Jul 2016 at 17:20

Posted by: MarieM (5563)

Nobody has answered my question. Why does it say Ben Jonson and Walkers Ales on the cottages on the other side of the road from the Ben Jonson. I would love to know.

Replied: 7th Aug 2016 at 18:15

Posted by: gaffer (6934) 

Marie M

If you look at the outline of the pub on this 1849 map you can see that it fits that of the stone cottages adjacent to what is now the Ben Johnson.
This suggests that the stone cottages were the original Ben Johnson hence the advertising on the southern end wall.

Marie M

Replied: 19th Jul 2018 at 19:44

Posted by: tonker (24621) 

The original Ben Johnson was a Pembertons Brewery inn.
When Pemberton's was taken over by Walker's, they extended it (the brick extension, with the 'Walkers Ales' on the side).
Then it was bought off Walker's by Oldfield's brewery.
Oldfield's Brewery had the new Ben Jonson built in 1901 / 1902.


Replied: 23rd Jul 2018 at 18:38


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