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What is the oldest house/hall/building in Wigan

Started by: blackrodweaver (623) 

With recent news of Haigh Hall being refurbished I wondered if it is the oldest building in Wigan

any ideas

The present hall was built between 1827 and 1840 by James Lindsay, 7th Earl of Balcarres, on the site of the ancient manor house built 1193

Started: 17th Dec 2014 at 20:43

Posted by: PeterP (8796)

Some of the churches have been around well before this

Replied: 17th Dec 2014 at 21:50

Posted by: tonker (23935) 

In WIGAN? It must be some of the town centre shops, around the Galleries.

Replied: 17th Dec 2014 at 22:25

Posted by: graneyjoseph (4618) 

some of the pies qualify as well.

Replied: 18th Dec 2014 at 06:29

Posted by: Handsomeminer (1741)

morning Joe dont jump on Tonkers anti wigan bus

Replied: 18th Dec 2014 at 06:51

Posted by: graneyjoseph (4618) 

morning Colin ,

Replied: 18th Dec 2014 at 08:45

Posted by: Handsomeminer (1741)

must be some really old properties somewhere in wigan as wigan was the romans capitol city in the north west

Replied: 18th Dec 2014 at 10:34

Posted by: graneyjoseph (4618) 

those packet houses at new springs must date well back ,the pub just over the canal bridge at new springs (name eludes me)dates back centuries.

Replied: 18th Dec 2014 at 10:43

Posted by: Handsomeminer (1741)

packet house was done up a few year ago very nice

Replied: 18th Dec 2014 at 11:09

Posted by: graneyjoseph (4618) 

that pub might be the colliers arms.

Replied: 18th Dec 2014 at 12:10

Posted by: winder (1293)

Aye it is the Colliers Arms, just had a look on street view.
The datestone says 1700.
A few pints been pulled in there over the years.

Replied: 18th Dec 2014 at 12:19

Posted by: graneyjoseph (4618) 

I went in there a couple of times when I lived in aspull burtonwood brewery beer I think.

Replied: 18th Dec 2014 at 13:14

Posted by: tonker (23935) 

Hey thee! Stop saying I'm 'anti Wigan'!

I'm 'Pro Wigan'. What I'm 'anti' about is classifying other places as being Wigan when they clearly aren't!

For instance, Haigh Hall has never been in Wigan, and it isn't very old anyway.
If you want to know the oldest building in Wigan 'COUNCIL', you'll have to include the rest of a large area.

If it's the 'borough' you want, how about St. Wilfrid's church, in Standish?

Replied: 18th Dec 2014 at 13:45

Posted by: Handsomeminer (1741)

was the colliers arms been shut for years

Replied: 18th Dec 2014 at 15:17

Posted by: graneyjoseph (4618) 

another sad end to a pub, ITV are showing a programme tonight,

Replied: 18th Dec 2014 at 16:24

Posted by: Handsomeminer (1741)

1 pub in lower ince ,4 pubs in higher ince now

Replied: 18th Dec 2014 at 16:47

Posted by: graneyjoseph (4618) 

it would be a struggle to have a pub crawl nowadays.

Replied: 18th Dec 2014 at 18:18

Posted by: MarieM (5563)

I've read that the Boar's Head pub in Standish dates from the 13th Century and is the second oldest pub in England.

Replied: 18th Dec 2014 at 19:49

Posted by: Handsomeminer (1741)

Some of the customers have been in since it opened a very clicks pub

Replied: 19th Dec 2014 at 08:08

Posted by: lavino71 (126)

So has the furniture from when I walked in and smelly it was also..

Replied: 19th Dec 2014 at 08:36

Posted by: MarieM (5563)

apparently, it's doing really well at the moment.

Replied: 19th Dec 2014 at 18:11

Posted by: graneyjoseph (4618) 

and well done to them great news .

Replied: 19th Dec 2014 at 18:32

Posted by: grandmas (594)

The Parish Church (the present one built in 1845) and Rectory/Wigan Hall (1875) must qualify as two of the oldest buildings and are most definitely in Wigan!!

Replied: 20th Dec 2014 at 17:06
Last edited by grandmas: 20th Dec 2014 at 17:12:46

Posted by: tonker (23935) 

Do they buggery! How can they be if they're less than 200 years old? What 'used to be there' doesn't count!

The Whitesmith’s Arms, built in the early 1600's, is one of the oldest buildings in Wigan.
Peel Hall, just outside of Wigan (in Ince) was built in 1345.

Replied: 20th Dec 2014 at 22:00

Posted by: graneyjoseph (4618) 

tonker once again your a mine of information,if I wore a cap I would take it off to you.

Replied: 21st Dec 2014 at 07:15

Posted by: tonker (23935) 

Yes. You would. (isn't Google a wonderful thing?)

Replied: 21st Dec 2014 at 13:57

Posted by: graneyjoseph (4618) 

absolutely marvellous .

Replied: 21st Dec 2014 at 16:07

Posted by: mollie m (6398) 

Nah! The original Parish Church IN Wigan dates back to the late 12th century - 1199 to be exact - so that must be the oldest building IN Wigan!

Replied: 31st Dec 2014 at 03:56

Posted by: baker boy (15571)

the foundations might be.

Replied: 2nd Jan 2015 at 19:49

Posted by: wiganyankeeron (inactive)

The oldest building is what was the police garage and was originally a school. Don't know what its used for now? It is near the parish church entrance to Crawford street

Replied: 3rd Jan 2015 at 11:40

Posted by: tonker (23935) 

"Paddy had the same brush all his life, so he did. He gave it a new head every month and a new shaft every two years"!

Once a building is demolished, then rebuilt, it's not the same building.
The oldest building in Wigan, officially, is the Whitesmiths Arms.

Replied: 3rd Jan 2015 at 13:55

Posted by: MarieM (5563)

ron Is it the one on the same side as the telephone exchange or on the side of the Parish Church.

Replied: 5th Jan 2015 at 20:29

Posted by: flaggy delf (523) 

Marie, it is the old Bluecoat School, used by the Police as a lock up for cars in the 1960s. Walking through the Churchyard to come into King of Prussia Yard and Hallgate it would be on your right after passing the Church.

Replied: 6th Jan 2015 at 11:16

Posted by: MarieM (5563)

Thank you flaggy delf

Replied: 6th Jan 2015 at 17:48

Posted by: tonker (23935) 

The Bluecoat School was the first school in Wigan and built in 1773.
On the other hand, the Whitesmiths Arms, which is officially the oldest building in Wigan, was built in the early 1600s.

Replied: 6th Jan 2015 at 18:55

Posted by: tuddy (1161)

What date was given to that exposed brickwork in the John Bull?

Replied: 6th Jan 2015 at 23:18

Posted by: flaggy delf (523) 

Marie,if you can get to go into the old Bluecoat school, usually open on a Saturday, see the wonderful wooden framework on the back wall which I believe is about 16th century. It came out of Standishes shop on Standishgate when it was demolished.

Replied: 7th Jan 2015 at 12:43

Posted by: MarieM (5563)

flaggy delf I will try on Saturday. I always thought the Bluecoat School was at the bottom of where the Bus station is now near Frog Lane.

Replied: 7th Jan 2015 at 20:52

Posted by: tonker (23935) 

You know what thought did?

Replied: 7th Jan 2015 at 22:44

Posted by: flaggy delf (523) 

The school moved location.

Replied: 8th Jan 2015 at 18:45

Posted by: MarieM (5563)

neil, I have been today but I couldn't locate it. I will try again next week.

Replied: 11th Jan 2015 at 18:07

Posted by: flaggy delf (523) 

Marie I think I may have told you wrong. I think there is an archway in the churchyard wall on the bus station side of the Church as if you were exiting into Crawford St. Go through and it is immediately to your right

Replied: 11th Jan 2015 at 18:50

Posted by: MarieM (5563)

Neil, I was walking through the Parish Church grounds today and these two men were coming out of this building so I asked them and they showed me. The building doesn't look that old but they said it was because of the new door and it had been sandblasted.

Replied: 14th Jan 2015 at 19:13

Posted by: flaggy delf (523) 

Marie, do go in if you ever see it open. The wooden frame on the back wall is worth a look.

Replied: 15th Jan 2015 at 11:08

Posted by: MarieM (5563)

Neil I will watch out for it being open.

Replied: 15th Jan 2015 at 19:11

Posted by: john b (52)

How many know that Sicklefield House down Brock Mill lane Off Wigan Lane was built in 1818. I lived there for a long time...There was a coach house in the garden with a drain pipe. At the top was a funnel catching the rain. On that was written MP 1818 ..for Molly Penson,who owned property all around Wigan and businesses as well,
The coach house was demolished in the early 70's and that lead funnel stolen !!

Replied: 31st Dec 2020 at 09:11

Posted by: tonker (23935) 

Do you classify Orrell as being in Wigan? (I don't, by the way!)
If you do, I had a building in Orrell which was built in 1718. It had a stone which said so. (Billinge Biker knows the one!)

Some buildings on Marketplace, in Wigan, were found to have parts of them bearing the original 'wattle and daub' dating back to the 14th century.
They belonged to Tom Standish, the last remaining member of the 'Standish' family.

Replied: 1st Jan 2021 at 15:10

Posted by: Heatons68 (79)


https://www.thwaites.co.uk/pubs-and-pub-finder/pubs/wigan/john-bull-chop-house/

John Bull chop house is 500 years old according to
this article

Replied: 1st Jan 2021 at 16:46
Last edited by Heatons68: 1st Jan 2021 at 16:54:39

Posted by: tonker (23935) 

The oldest building in Wigan is Millgate Multi-storey Car Park? Yes?

Replied: 7th Jan 2021 at 20:32

Posted by: AngelWood (inactive)

What about the old house on Millgate that housed Pennington's furniture shop?

Replied: 2nd May 2021 at 18:39

Posted by: tonker (23935) 

Has anybody mentioned the Whitesmith’s Arms, built in the 1600’s ?

Replied: 4th May 2021 at 23:11
Last edited by tonker: 4th May 2021 at 23:14:36

Posted by: tonker (23935) 

Has anybody mentioned the Whitesmith’s Arms, built I’m the 1600’s ?

Replied: 4th May 2021 at 23:14

Posted by: mollie m (6398) 

Yes, Tonker, you did, on 20 December 2014, but on 4 May you said you were built in the 1600s, Yoda fashion.

Replied: 24th Jul 2021 at 02:36

 

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