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collective nouns are terrific but raise questions.

Started by: i-spy (15002) 

why do some seem to be obviously female ( a gaggle of geese or a huddle of penguins) while others must be male ( an army of frogs or a cloud of gnats.)

And who makes 'em up.

Started: 14th Dec 2012 at 16:11

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)

Why are 'gaggle' and 'huddle' female terms, I spy?

Replied: 14th Dec 2012 at 16:15

Posted by: jo anne (33512) 

And 'army' and 'cloud' - male, I-spy?

Replied: 14th Dec 2012 at 16:19

Posted by: kryten (inactive)

A flange of Baboons.

Can't make my mind up about that one.

Replied: 14th Dec 2012 at 16:20

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)

I think there's some French thinking going on.

Over to Mache.

Replied: 14th Dec 2012 at 16:21

Posted by: mache (inactive)

A wad of tenners is definately female

Replied: 14th Dec 2012 at 16:21
Last edited by mache: 14th Dec 2012 at 16:22:11

Posted by: jo anne (33512) 

'Who makes 'em up?'

A gaggle of geese is made up of ... geese, and so on, I-spy.

Replied: 14th Dec 2012 at 16:21

Posted by: i-spy (15002) 

Cos they are

Replied: 14th Dec 2012 at 16:21

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)

Flange of gorillas, Kryten.

Urban myth started by Not The Nine O Clock News.

Replied: 14th Dec 2012 at 16:22

Posted by: mache (inactive)

A crash of.............?

Replied: 14th Dec 2012 at 16:24

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)

Rhino's (bowt googlin)

Replied: 14th Dec 2012 at 16:25

Posted by: mache (inactive)

Na! windows

Replied: 14th Dec 2012 at 16:26

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)

SOD OFF!

I was feeling quite chuffed with myself too. Despite the iffy apostrophe.

Replied: 14th Dec 2012 at 16:27
Last edited by dostaf: 14th Dec 2012 at 16:32:25

Posted by: kryten (inactive)

Troop" is the commonly used word, but you can also use tribe, flange, or congress. Wiki.

Replied: 14th Dec 2012 at 16:28

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)

Wiki is wrong.

'Flange' was used in the Gerald The Gorilla' sketch and stuck.

Replied: 14th Dec 2012 at 16:29

Posted by: jo anne (33512) 

Gender in English:

'A system of grammatical gender, whereby every noun was treated as either masculine, feminine or neuter, existed in Old English, but fell out of use during the Middle English period.

Modern English retains features relating to natural gender, namely the use of certain nouns and pronouns to refer specifically to persons or animals of one or other sex.

Some aspects of this usage have been influenced by the movement towards a preference for gender-neutral language.

With the exceptions of the traditional, optional uses of she and her pronouns for ships (and analogous machinery) and for nation states (e.g. "Britain and her allies"), all other gender-related grammatical differences have vanished.
'

Replied: 14th Dec 2012 at 16:30

Posted by: kryten (inactive)

I shall bow to your superior knowledge Mr D and not look upon it as a group of Ravens.

Replied: 14th Dec 2012 at 16:33

Posted by: mache (inactive)

The Titanic was refered to as she, however she was a royal mail ship

Replied: 14th Dec 2012 at 16:33
Last edited by mache: 14th Dec 2012 at 16:34:27

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)

Kryten, I nearly quoted Paul Calfe and called it a 'bag o' s..........'

But I hear diesels a lurking.

Replied: 14th Dec 2012 at 16:36

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)

In fact 'a convoy' of diesels.


See what I did there?

Please yourselves.

Replied: 14th Dec 2012 at 16:37

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)

Now I get it, Mache.

Replied: 14th Dec 2012 at 16:39

Posted by: mache (inactive)

?

Replied: 14th Dec 2012 at 16:41

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)

I struggled a bit, pre edit.

Replied: 14th Dec 2012 at 16:43

Posted by: mache (inactive)

Replied: 14th Dec 2012 at 16:45

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)

See, now you're blushing like that submarine.

The one that saw Queen Mary's bottom.

I'll get me coat.

Replied: 14th Dec 2012 at 16:48

Posted by: mache (inactive)

Another male ship

Replied: 14th Dec 2012 at 16:49

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)

And an owd joke told by Private Pike.

Replied: 14th Dec 2012 at 16:50

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)

Replied: 14th Dec 2012 at 16:56

Posted by: jo anne (33512) 

(Funnely enough, I read the Queen Mary joke in a book by Michael Morpurgo yesterday. He was describing his train journey back to boarding school in 1953 - 'it was all the old jokes: "Why did the submarine blush?" "Because it saw Queen Mary's bottom!" "Why did the chicken cross the road?" "For some fowl reason!" And the carriage rocked with raucous laughter." )

Replied: 14th Dec 2012 at 16:58
Last edited by jo anne: 14th Dec 2012 at 17:16:31

Posted by: jo anne (33512) 

"Who decides on the right collective noun for something?

The short answer is no one. While some languages, such as Spanish, French, and German, are ruled by committee there is no academy or governing body that decides on how English should evolve ... some strike a colourful chord but have never quite caught on, including a fall of woodcocks and a shrewdness of apes.
"

Wiganworlders have had a go at making some up.

Replied: 14th Dec 2012 at 17:07
Last edited by jo anne: 14th Dec 2012 at 17:15:25

Posted by: kenee (2097)


Flange is applicable to collections of primates; baboons or gibbons, but not officially gorillas.

What do you call a collection of flanges?

Replied: 14th Dec 2012 at 18:56

Posted by: mache (inactive)

A monkey house of flanges

Replied: 14th Dec 2012 at 20:03

Posted by: i-spy (15002) 

I like fanfare of strumpets - it could be a description of the Mature Ladies website Christmas do.

Replied: 14th Dec 2012 at 20:04

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)

Replied: 14th Dec 2012 at 20:08

Posted by: jo anne (33512) 

A rude of blokes.

Replied: 14th Dec 2012 at 20:36

Posted by: MarieM (5563)

i bet you don't know what a group of Crows are without Googling/

Replied: 14th Dec 2012 at 21:59

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)

An old chestnut.

Replied: 15th Dec 2012 at 15:51

Posted by: jo anne (33512) 

I had to google, MarieM - Fun With Words - Collective Nouns.

As to a rude of blokes - I've rued (stereo)typing that - it was rude of me.

Replied: 15th Dec 2012 at 16:41

Posted by: kenee (2097)


It's a 'rudeness' Joanne.

A scum of chavs.

Replied: 15th Dec 2012 at 18:59

Posted by: jo anne (33512) 

Collective Nuns - Male and Female

Replied: 24th Dec 2012 at 10:29

Posted by: johnlythg (inactive)

Un monton de mierda

Replied: 24th Dec 2012 at 23:11
Last edited by johnlythg: 24th Dec 2012 at 23:13:10

Posted by: bassman (3591)

Nay John...if tha cawnt speyk reet then shurrup.....

Replied: 24th Dec 2012 at 23:39

Posted by: orrellite (2351)

try a collection of Goldfinches, no looking !!!

Replied: 25th Dec 2012 at 08:12

Posted by: orrellite (2351)

how charming is that. no one knows it is a 'Charm'

Replied: 26th Dec 2012 at 08:00

Posted by: jo anne (33512) 

Thanks, Orrellite - Charm wasn't a collective noun I knew until now.

'A charm of goldfinches' - take a bough.

Replied: 26th Dec 2012 at 13:53

 

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