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Started by: dostaf (inactive)

Were there any in Wigan?

There must have been. But off hand I can't thiink of any place name which reflect this, Tanner's lane etc.

Started: 30th Oct 2012 at 17:28

Posted by: Mac (inactive)

Loads of em, you can book thenm for three mins or more.

Replied: 30th Oct 2012 at 17:30

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)

I mean the proper smelly ones, Clever Dickie. As well you knew.

Replied: 30th Oct 2012 at 17:31

Posted by: Mac (inactive)

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Posted by: dostaf (inactive)

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Posted by: Mac (inactive)

I only know of This one

Replied: 30th Oct 2012 at 17:35

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)

A murder at Warrington came to mind (Tannery Lane, Penketh); google tells me that tanning was common over there.

But Wigan?

Replied: 30th Oct 2012 at 17:38

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)

Shall I put Elsie on now, or wait until the bleating starts?

Replied: 30th Oct 2012 at 17:39

Posted by: Mac (inactive)

That was my next throw, her and Dennis.

Replied: 30th Oct 2012 at 17:41

Posted by: jo anne (33520) 

'the trading region of Wigan in the early seventeenth century' (here

It would appear, given the paucity of debts owed to skinners, tanners, shoemakers and glovers from outside the town, that Wigan undertook most of the tanning and finishing of leather products destined for its own market.

Replied: 30th Oct 2012 at 17:42

Posted by: Mac (inactive)

Replied: 30th Oct 2012 at 17:43

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)

Enough with the frippery. Find me the part of the fine town which stunk.

Gallaghers, Miry Lane, will not do.

Did we get other people to do our dirty work?

Perhaps tho genealogists will know from 'occupations'.

Replied: 30th Oct 2012 at 17:44

Posted by: Mac (inactive)

From the link I provided:

THE SUNDIAL
146, WIGAN ROAD, ASHTON IN MAKERFIELD, WN4 9ST WIGAN | Phone : +44 (0) 1942 727...

tanning, animal skin tanning services, rawhide tanning, tanner, tanned leather, skin tanning services, leather tanning, leather tanning services, tannery

Replied: 30th Oct 2012 at 17:44

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)

Jo Anne's 17:42 suggests we did get our hands dirty.

Replied: 30th Oct 2012 at 17:45
Last edited by dostaf: 30th Oct 2012 at 17:47:36

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)

THE SUNDIAL
146, WIGAN ROAD, ASHTON IN MAKERFIELD


HARDLY WIGAN, IS IT!

Just wait 'til Tonker sees what you did.

Replied: 30th Oct 2012 at 17:48

Posted by: Mac (inactive)

Surrounding areas are allowed. Ashton is lucky to be a satellite of the Town.

Replied: 30th Oct 2012 at 17:50

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)

How dare you!

My thread, my rules.

Tan House Lane doesn't count either. (Parbold)

Replied: 30th Oct 2012 at 17:55

Posted by: Mac (inactive)

How about in your field of expertise?...Backsides!

Replied: 30th Oct 2012 at 18:05

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)

Always with the bottomage.

Look what google sent me:

Baptism: 14 Oct 1832 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
William Sutton - 2 Son of James Sutton & Ann
Born: 4 Jul
Abode: Poolstock
Occupation: Tanner
Baptised by: J. K. Glazebrook
Register: Baptisms 1830 - 1833, Page 222, Entry 1775
Source: LDS Film 1885678

Here

Replied: 30th Oct 2012 at 18:18

Posted by: jo anne (33520) 

Wigan Town Trail:

At this period Wigan’s economy was based on the market which served a considerable area of south Lancashire; local agriculture and already a number of small scale industries. These included pottery – in 1310 “Adam the potter of Wigan” held a house and half an acre of land on Marking Place - brewing, tanning, woollen textiles –

Where could Wigan's tanneries of more recent history (beyond the C17th) be hiding?

Replied: 30th Oct 2012 at 18:20

Posted by: Mac (inactive)

HURRAH....Where next for your 'Rawhide' thread.

Replied: 30th Oct 2012 at 18:20

Posted by: Mac (inactive)

Why, Here, I tells thee!

Replied: 30th Oct 2012 at 18:21

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)

Baptism: 3 Jul 1832 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Gibson - 7 Daur. of Gervase Gibson & Ellen
Born: 26 May
Abode: Standishgate
Occupation: Skinner
Notes: Recd. 2d. July S.V.
Baptised by: at St. Georges Chapel by the Revnd. B. Powell
Register: Baptisms 1830 - 1833, Page 194, Entry 1548
Source: LDS Film 1885678

Same source.

Replied: 30th Oct 2012 at 18:51

Posted by: Mac (inactive)

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Posted by: kryten (inactive)

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Posted by: Mac (inactive)

Mind, Equidistant?

Replied: 30th Oct 2012 at 18:55
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Posted by: jo anne (33520) 

18:18 - 'Abode: Poolstock Occupation: Tanner'

That doesn't account for the shoe leather involved in travelling to and from work.

Replied: 30th Oct 2012 at 18:57

Posted by: Mac (inactive)

Replied: 30th Oct 2012 at 19:10

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)

Well, by all accounts, he wouldn't have been welcome on the coach. (Pre bus days)

Replied: 30th Oct 2012 at 19:10

Posted by: jo anne (33520) 

In 1669 John Leatherbarrow became Mayor of Wigan followed by Myles Turner in 1670 ... and Robert Leatherbarrow in 1678. Here

But that could turn out to be a bit of a tandem.

Replied: 30th Oct 2012 at 20:16

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)

Interesting name. Never considered its origin before, Jo Anne.

Replied: 30th Oct 2012 at 20:27

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)

An song

Edit

Wrong theread.

Replied: 30th Oct 2012 at 20:34
Last edited by dostaf: 30th Oct 2012 at 20:35:39

Posted by: jo anne (33520) 

This curious surname is of combined Old Norse and Anglo-Saxon origin, and is a locational name from Latterbarrow in the Furness district of North Lancashire, on the west side of Windermere. The component elements of the name are the Old Norse "latr", lair of a wild animal, and the Olde English pre 7th Century "bearu", grove, wood; hence, "lair by the wood".

Leatherbarrow

Replied: 30th Oct 2012 at 20:38

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)

So bugger all to do with my lovely thread.

Nice find, all the same.

Replied: 30th Oct 2012 at 20:39

Posted by: broady (16812) 

Was a tanner not six old pence or am I getting mixed up???

Replied: 30th Oct 2012 at 20:43

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)

Yes, but Wigan was poor.

Replied: 30th Oct 2012 at 20:44

Posted by: jo anne (33520) 

From the link 20:16 - Wigan Occupations during the 17th century - lists Skinner but not Tanner.

Replied: 30th Oct 2012 at 21:01

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)

I put a skinner on at 18:51


Steptoe connection?

Replied: 30th Oct 2012 at 21:04

Posted by: jo anne (33520) 

Steptoe and song? From Elsie to another Streets connection.

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Posted by: dostaf (inactive)

Replied: 30th Oct 2012 at 21:16

Posted by: bentlegs (4623)

See what Guy Martin was tanning leather with last night? Dog Do DOs.

Replied: 30th Oct 2012 at 21:17

Posted by: Mac (inactive)

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Posted by: dostaf (inactive)



That's what prompted this thread, Bentlegs.

Perhaps there was a dearth of dog doo in Wigan?

Replied: 30th Oct 2012 at 21:19

Posted by: jo anne (33520) 

And people complain when they get it on their shoes. People might not have had shoes without it.

Replied: 30th Oct 2012 at 22:18

Posted by: jo anne (33520) 

Wigan 1824 - 1825

P 622 Tanners 81
Knight Jas. & Ralph, Weint*
Taylor Mary, King Street


Same info on WW Stuff : Wigan Directory 1825 - Tanners on page 7.

*Interesting reading, lots of the streets, yards and pubs still exist today. The Weind was spelt Weint, probably how it was pronounced at the time.

Edit: Speak of the devil !

(I'm not too keen on the Hallo-wiend. What think ye?)

Replied: 30th Oct 2012 at 23:48
Last edited by jo anne: 31st Oct 2012 at 00:16:32

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)

Lovely atmospheric pic.

Suspect those tanners weren't tanning at those particular addresses, Jo Anne.

Mind you, there were enough slaughterhouses in the town centre to create a stink.

I just get the notion, particularly from the way Guy Martin reminded us how Tanners were shunned, that such activities would have happened on the outskirts of town.

Admittedly, they wouldn't have been using dog muck in the more recent years, instead using chemicals.

But, I have been told that tanneries are/were nasty flyblown places, even in recent years. (late 20th Century)

Replied: 31st Oct 2012 at 01:54

Posted by: jo anne (33520) 

Lovely atmospheric pic I agree, but scary.

(These seem to be frozen now.)

Suspect those tanners weren't tanning at those particular addresses - possibly not, as that particular isn't addressed.

(At least, I can find no hide nor 'air of it.)

Wigan Life in the 1600’s (p17)

'Before the Civil Wars, Wigan was a town more significant than today and had a population of about 2,000.

Wigan had four gates into the town,
Hallgate ... Wallgate ... Millgate ... Standishgate ...

Outside of these gates were tanneries, gardens, orchards and beyond that dense woods. The main streets in the town were paved with boulders, but outside of these the roads were so muddy that often it would take 6 horses to drag a coach through them. Wigan town comprised of winding alleys, crooked streets and narrow courts, all unlit.'

Replied: 31st Oct 2012 at 09:43

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)

I see that infernal scarer shook you up a bit, Jo Anne.

'Outside of these gates were tanneries'

Plural?

You'd think there'd be some evidence in existence.

Replied: 31st Oct 2012 at 10:19

Posted by: piccyme123 (1395)

i am not sure if i understand this thread, but, when i was a ikkle kiddie many years ago, i lived and grew up in Hindley, and there was a Tanning place, it was near the, i forget the name of the road, but it was the one that the Swimming pool is now on, anyway the area was called "Tanyard Fields " i think. and it smelt awful on certain days

Replied: 31st Oct 2012 at 11:29

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)

Interesting, Piccyme.

Hindley, Golborne and Parbold. But nothing seemingly more central to Wigan.

Replied: 31st Oct 2012 at 11:40

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Replied: 31st Oct 2012 at 11:44

Posted by: piccyme123 (1395)

great link dostaf from 2009, and it seems my memory was correct, Borsdane Avenue it was, i saw a gteat link in the link you added, about old ordinance survey map, which i will have look at when iv'e got more time - well done dostaf

Replied: 31st Oct 2012 at 11:51

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)

My pleasure.

Thank you for bringing the Tanyard Fields up, Piccyme.

Replied: 31st Oct 2012 at 11:55

Posted by: Mac (inactive)

(Psssst, look in the U.D. for turnip definitions. Something there for everyone -Number 6 made me chortle)
Say nowt.

Replied: 31st Oct 2012 at 12:05

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)

I'm saying nowt.

Replied: 31st Oct 2012 at 13:10

Posted by: veg grower (inactive)

There was a Tan Pits Farm in Appley Bridge, and one in Tyldesley too. Not Wigan I know...

Huge pits dug into the ground that the workers had to tread carefully between them - very dangerous job - no unions then.

Replied: 31st Oct 2012 at 13:11

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)



They must have stunk to high heaven.

Replied: 31st Oct 2012 at 13:21

Posted by: jo anne (33520) 

No pelt and safety in those days. And without the work, the workers would have been skint.

Seriously, the conditions must have been deplorable.

Replied: 31st Oct 2012 at 14:01

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)

Somebody did a worst jobs type prog, I don't think it was Tony Robinson.

One thing which surprised the unlucky candidate, was the actual weight of the hydes, as well as the unpleasantness of the task in general.

Replied: 31st Oct 2012 at 14:05

Posted by: mache (inactive)

20 fl.ozs per pint of Hydes

Replied: 31st Oct 2012 at 14:10

Posted by: dostaf (inactive)

Behave!

Good stuff too.

Replied: 31st Oct 2012 at 14:12

 

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