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Started by: erontquay (inactive)

Why are football teams made up of players who are foriegn to the town they are representing? Wigan included. Is it because there isnt enough home grown talent,or does it just mean win at all costs its all about money. Are there any born and bred wiganers on the latics team?

Started: 1st May 2011 at 19:10
Last edited by erontquay: 1st May 2011 at 19:44:58

Posted by: kenny (inactive)

OOOooooo
thaz gooint oppen a big can o' worms theer

Replied: 2nd May 2011 at 10:49

Posted by: jay_1 (14715) 

Eron the answer is obvious and rugby types don't like it.

Replied: 2nd May 2011 at 11:53

Posted by: bassman (3591)

Eron, it's always money first....whether the latics have any home grown players, Idon't know...maybe their fans could tell you.

Replied: 2nd May 2011 at 14:08

Posted by: walshy76 (inactive)

youll have to wait though because they dont have many

Replied: 2nd May 2011 at 15:53

Posted by: thiek c (1093) 

Jay answer the question are there any players from wigan or wigan area( the last comment is for tonker before he gets on about boundries.

Replied: 2nd May 2011 at 16:00
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Posted by: mal75 (1349)

out of interest who was the last born and bred wiganer to play a 1st team game for the latics? or does anyone know how many wigan lads are currently playing premiership football?

Replied: 2nd May 2011 at 18:52

Posted by: fossil (7005)

Not many Wigan born players in the prem or playing in the football league either,the reason being that they are not good enough!

Replied: 2nd May 2011 at 19:58
Last edited by fossil : 2nd May 2011 at 21:09:02

Posted by: jay_1 (14715) 

Fossil or maybe because they are competing against players from every corner of the world,unlike..

Replied: 2nd May 2011 at 20:03

Posted by: walshy76 (inactive)

the players they have now are not good enough

Replied: 2nd May 2011 at 20:45

Posted by: ruddy duck (inactive)

Too many second rate foreign players in teams because they come cheap, but in reality are no better then many of our own good young kids who are not getting a chance. The same thing is happening in employment where foreigners are being employed instead of our own people because poor pay is a lot of money to them.

A few years ago, our teams were full of own grown British players and they still won trophies in Europe. Even the England team was better.

Foreign players yes, but like normal everyday life, it should only be the best ones!

It's called cheap labour and now even applies to our national game.

Replied: 3rd May 2011 at 06:54
Last edited by ruddy duck: 3rd May 2011 at 06:55:31

Posted by: jay_1 (14715) 

Your argument makes no sense as per usual really Daffy.

So you're arguing that there are English kids who are just as good has some foreign players in the premiership but they won't play because they would have to exist on premier league wages of 10k plus.

Please THINK before you post..

Replied: 3rd May 2011 at 07:53

Posted by: thiek c (1093) 

Jay are you saying that there isnt any young british players as good as some of the imported players?

Replied: 3rd May 2011 at 16:35

Posted by: bassman (3591)

I think that because someone plays for a remote country in Africa, South Amrica etc they are presumed to be good.Unfortunetly to their cost, it doesn't tend to work out that way, as the latics for one, have found out.

Replied: 3rd May 2011 at 23:01

Posted by: fossil (7005)

Bassman,
Do you mean Luis Antonio Valencia or Wilson Palacios,
and maybe Mauro Boselli, but they haven,t tried him properly yet

Replied: 4th May 2011 at 13:04

Posted by: bassman (3591)

That's about it Foss..

Replied: 4th May 2011 at 13:53

Posted by: ruddy duck (inactive)

jay1

Instead of just sitting in the South Stand at Latic's games, get out and watch some amateur games at all age levels ranging from local leagues to non league football.

Lads who are just as good if not better then many of the foreign players who are getting contracts at many of the professional clubs.

Like everyday employment, even football now has foreign cheap labour.

And you have the cheek to say that I don't support my own country!

Replied: 4th May 2011 at 17:30
Last edited by ruddy duck: 4th May 2011 at 17:32:06

Posted by: jay_1 (14715) 

Ruddy the most nonsensical post you've ever come up with!!

Please THINK about what you've posted here and i hope you have the intelligence to see what total and utter nonsense it is!!

I watch non league football for your info too!!

Replied: 4th May 2011 at 19:58

Posted by: trevwafc (1491) 

hate to say it ruddy but being the plant pot you are,you are right watch a lot of sunday amateur league the lads would give you 100% every time

Replied: 4th May 2011 at 20:06

Posted by: jay_1 (14715) 

'Like everyday employment, even football now has foreign cheap labour.'

Ok i know you aren't bright enough to understand this so i'll explain.

Cheap foreign labour is when people are willing to work for less then the going rate paid for the job.The premiership in one if not the best paid league in the world!!The players are paid 10k and upwards.If there were good enough footballers to play for Latics from Wigan,they would have spotted and they'd be playing.To suggest otherwise is to say you are better at spotting talent then any scout or manager in the league.

AND you've probably deluded enough to believe that!

Replied: 4th May 2011 at 20:08

Posted by: fossil (7005)

I see one of those cheap South American players Latics bought put united in the lead tonight and got a touch to provide the second

Replied: 4th May 2011 at 20:23

Posted by: jay_1 (14715) 

Trev,i'd give 100 per cent but it doesn't mean i'd be any good!!

Daffy seem to be arguing that cheap foreign labour is paying foreigners 10k plus while leaving players just has good playing non league football for 300 quid a week!!You seem to be arguing that some of these bloke on 300 quid would want more than 10k a week to play!!

He reckons all the premiership/championship managers are doing this!!

The mon is nuts..

Replied: 4th May 2011 at 20:42
Last edited by jay_1: 4th May 2011 at 20:46:17

Posted by: bassman (3591)

Prem. managers and fans won't wait for local players to go through the system because they want instant success.They turn to these foreign players because they have maybe represented their country.In that country they may be good but when they try to play in the prem. they are often found lacking.Foss. is correct about V alencia but he did have a start at a lower club to get used to the prem, and as he says some are just not good enough.

Replied: 4th May 2011 at 22:56
Last edited by bassman: 4th May 2011 at 22:57:46

Posted by: ruddy duck (inactive)

fossil

I do not include Valencia in the players I am on about. My argument is that many of them that are here are no better then many of our own British lads.

The Latic's squad is full of them and look where they are in the Premiership.

Foreign players by all means, but only those who are good enough to play at oiur top lkevel

And for the record, jay1, I know a damm sight more about football then you do, having played the game and coached successfull youth teamsin my time.

Why do you think that Spain has two of the best club sides in the world and their National side are Europen and World Champions. It's simply because they put own game first and only get. the class players from other countries.

Replied: 4th May 2011 at 23:20

Posted by: broady (17559) 

How would anyone know how any of these local players would perform in the Premier League if they haven't played there. I am not saying that there aren't any out there but we have all seen players (in all sports) that look great at a certain level but when they move up they can't hack it. The argument about cheap forign players just doesn't hold water when you look at the cash the overseas players are being paid. I would also imagine that overseas players have clauses in their contracts wherby their families are here, there are flights back to their homeland etc. which would make them even more expensive.

Replied: 4th May 2011 at 23:26

Posted by: jay_1 (14715) 

I think Daffy is getting upset..

You don't even know who i am,so why assume you know more than me.

I'd say you know a lot less if you actually believe your statment to be true.Do you know more than the Latics coaching staff or the coaching staff of nearly every team in the top two divisions?You seem to think you do.

Broady you are spot on,people look good at a certain level.Andy Liddell was a classic for Latics,he looked great at a lower lever but was never going to be a premiership player.

Replied: 5th May 2011 at 07:07

Posted by: ruddy duck (inactive)

jay1

Neither are some of the foreign players in the current Latic's team but never mind they might sign one who is another Valencia who stood out for Ecuador in the 2006 World Cup. Actually, I could never understand why a big club like United did not sign him in the first place when anyone could see that he was a good player.

In the meantime, I will continue to fight the corner of our own players who unlike a few years ago are no longer getting the same chance in today's game.

By the way, if the Latics are relegated, will you still be supporting them or will it be another case of you jumping ship like you did with the Warriors when they became less successfull a few seasons ago.

Replied: 5th May 2011 at 08:32

Posted by: jay_1 (14715) 

Poor effort Daffy.

Valencia was at Villarreal,who loaned him to us.Our coaching staff improved him...

So you're still claiming that you are better at spotting talent than pro scouts/managers?

I've always watched WiganRL on odd occasions,i still do.

Replied: 5th May 2011 at 09:00

Posted by: ruddy duck (inactive)

jay1

I am more inclined to believe that Whelan got him after seeing him in the World Cup.

As for the Latic's improving him, perhaps they need to do the same with some of the present lot.

Replied: 5th May 2011 at 16:10
Last edited by ruddy duck: 5th May 2011 at 17:01:10

Posted by: walshy76 (inactive)

You don't even know who i am,so why assume you know more than me

you dont know people but it doesnt stop you from calling them racist,or saying there on benefits or thick idiots or go in the bookies all the tim.....kettle pot black


I've always watched WiganRL on odd occasions,i still do


Posted by: jay_1 (6171)
Daffy i'd love to support the Worriers but they have done nothing but bring shame on this town for years.
I'm tired of reading about the disgraceful behaviour of Worriers players.

Replied: 12th Jan 2011 at 09:11


Replied: 5th May 2011 at 19:21
Last edited by walshy76: 5th May 2011 at 20:11:41

Posted by: jay_1 (14715) 

My non sporting attending,bookie attending,norley hall drinking stalker is backer.

How are you Weasel?

Replied: 5th May 2011 at 20:07

Posted by: walshy76 (inactive)

no denial then.......but then again how can you

Replied: 5th May 2011 at 20:12

Posted by: jay_1 (14715) 

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dim if someone with an head like kojak came in the bookies when i was in i would have seen them but as usual you have got your fact wrong AGAIN'

Mmmm thought you didn't go in the bookies.Caught out lying again Weasel.

When will you EVER learn lad.

Replied: 5th May 2011 at 20:14

Posted by: walshy76 (inactive)

i told you i went in the bookies,about 3 months ago to see someone

in the real world that doesnt mean you go in all the time

if it did that would mean you went in the springy all the time............when in fact you probaly only go in once a week

Replied: 5th May 2011 at 20:17

Posted by: jay_1 (14715) 

When will this lad ever learn.

Replied: 5th May 2011 at 20:19

Posted by: walshy76 (inactive)

when will this low life lying troll start living in the real world

Replied: 5th May 2011 at 20:21

 

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