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Started by: heyes (16)

Hi Everyone, I've been stuck with my Bamber branch of my family tree for quite some time now. If anyone knows any information of Vironica Bamber nee Chadwick 25 Dec 1900 - 1994 i would be most grateful to hear, last area of known residence is Scholes. Her children are Thomas, Ralph known as Raith, May, Frances, Doreen, William, Ernest, Brian, Irene, John & Vironica. Also the surname Gerrard surrounds her for some unknown reason too. Any info would be greatly appreciated!

Started: 18th Jan 2012 at 20:38

Posted by: gaffer (6855) 

The marriage certificate may put you on the right track.
Certificate reference, Wigan volume 8c page 53. 1923. You can order online from the records office at a discounted price if you quote the reference numbers.

Replied: 19th Jan 2012 at 19:20

Posted by: mygriffiths (1189)

Baptism: 9 Apr 1935 St Mary, Ince, Lancs.
William Bamber - [Child] of John Bamber & Veronica Mary
Born: 14 Dec 1934
Abode: 11 Little Westwood
Occupation: Collier
Baptised by: S. Bryson
Register: Baptisms 1920 - 1939, Page 134, Entry 1199
Source: Original register at Wigan Archives

Replied: 19th Jan 2012 at 21:41

Posted by: heyes (16)

Hi Gaffer

Thank you for your reply i have already obtained the marriage certificate, the Bamber's trace back to Blackpool i have been able to trace some of them it's my Great Grandmother Vironica that causing the brick wall i cannot find her birth record and she used two surnames, the only thing i can think of is that she may have been adopted. Her father's name is not recorded on the marriage certificate could it possibly be on her death certificate?

Replied: 19th Jan 2012 at 21:44

Posted by: heyes (16)

Thank you very much for the info my Griffiths :)

Replied: 19th Jan 2012 at 21:51

Posted by: mygriffiths (1189)

I know this does not match Chadwick or Gerrard but is the only Veronica Mary on ancestry for the date and I do know a lot of Halliwells lived in Little Westwood.

Name: Veronica Mary Halliwell
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1901
Registration district: Wigan
Inferred County: Greater Manchester, Lancashire
Volume: 8c
Page: 60 (click to see others on page)

Replied: 19th Jan 2012 at 22:04

Posted by: gaffer (6855) 

If you want to check the death certificate the ref. details are.

Wigan May 1994.
District no. O182A. Reg no, A49A. Ent no 300. DOR 594

Adoptions were not legalised until 1926 so if you want to follow that route check with the council archives at Leigh town hall as to what records they hold.

Replied: 19th Jan 2012 at 22:17

Posted by: heyes (16)

Nothing surprises me with alias names etc. that name does ring a bell though, i do know she lived in Hindley prior to their marriage Vironica is recorded at 11. George Street Hindley 1923, her husband John Bamber is recorded at 4. Raven Street Ince. Many Many Thanks for the findings i'll have a look into the possibility of Halliwell :)

Replied: 19th Jan 2012 at 22:33

Posted by: gaffer (6855) 

My Griffiths

The find my past records show a second Veronica Haliwell registered ln Wigan in the following quarter of 1901. There is no record of the younger one in the 1901 or 1911 census. Veronica Mary is listed at Delph Street in 1901 and West Derby in Liverpool in 1911.

Replied: 19th Jan 2012 at 22:36

Posted by: heyes (16)

Thank you for the info and reference my gaffer i'm going to check the Halliwell surname first i think my mum as mentioned that surname before :)

Replied: 19th Jan 2012 at 22:38

Posted by: heyes (16)

Just had a look at the Veronica Mary Halliwell she was born around February 1901 and married Augustine H. Watts in Liverpool so it's not that one. My mum seems to think she may have come from Rochdale or Heywood, i've check there too and still had no luck.

Replied: 19th Jan 2012 at 23:02

Posted by: gaffer (6855) 

The Veronica Halliwell born in Wigan in the second quarter of 1901 disappeared without trace. It's reasonable bet that she was unofficially adopted and given a new surname.

Replied: 19th Jan 2012 at 23:12

Posted by: heyes (16)

Quite possibly Gaffer out of the eleven children i know she had on three of the birth certificates she stated Gerrard as her maiden name and Chadwick on the rest, she married my grandad in the name Chadwick. I've searched to see if she married more than once and i've searched the 1901 and 1911 census's nothings come up at all, i'll probably have to wait for the 1921 census being released but the earliest record i've found is her living in George Street Hindley 1923.

Replied: 19th Jan 2012 at 23:27

Posted by: stuartp (97)

I have a Francis Bamber in my tree of George Street Hindley.. and relation or link to your Bambers?

Replied: 19th Jan 2012 at 23:32

Posted by: dave© (3507)

Maybe a different branch?

Marriage: 30 Jun 1948 St John the Evangelist, Hindley Green, Hindley, Lancs.
Leonard Bamber - 21yrs Fitter CPL 4th Hussars 14466239 Bachelor of 59 Hornby Street Wigan
Doreen Platt - 23yrs Spinster of 2 Green Bank
Groom's Father: Charlie Bamber, Draper
Bride's Father: John Platt, Roadman
Witness: Alan Walter William Tindall?; Marian Angus
Married by Banns by: T. E. Allen
Register: Marriages 1944 - 1961, Page 38, Entry 76
Source: Original register at Wigan Archives

They had a daughter, Susan.

Replied: 19th Jan 2012 at 23:33

Posted by: heyes (16)

My Bamber's were born & living around Atherton Road / George Street area of Hindley from the mid 1800's until moving to Ince early to mid 1900's so yes quite possible, my Great Grandad John Bamber was the son of Thomas Bamber & Frances Pilkington born 27 May 1903 8. Mather Court which i think was off George Street. His dad & some of his brothers emigrated to the US. I do not have any Leonard's or Platt's so i think that might be a different line Dave.

Replied: 19th Jan 2012 at 23:47

Posted by: frankwalford (1098) 

I worked with a Malcolm Bamber from Ince

Replied: 20th Jan 2012 at 16:58

Posted by: heyes (16)

Hi Frank there are two Malcolm Bamber's from Ince, one is my Uncle the other is not related that i no of. Where did you work?

Replied: 20th Jan 2012 at 17:49

Posted by: stuartp (97)

Heyes,

The Frances Pilkington you speak of is my Great Aunt, I have posted photos of her brothers on here, William and Peter Pilkingon (People /Pilkington Family)

Thomas & Francis lived at 63 George Street Hindley and 220 atherton Road.

Thomas had a sister Jane Bamber who married Joseph Pilkington one of the other brothers.

If you want to get in touch mail me at jamiespesh@hotmail.com

Replied: 20th Jan 2012 at 19:09

Posted by: heyes (16)

Hi

Great news as we dont have any photos i'll have a look now. Frances is my Great Great Grandma, Thomas went to America. Yes i have Jane as marrying Joseph Pilkington too. Thank you for your post :)

Replied: 20th Jan 2012 at 20:49

Posted by: frankwalford (1098) 

Hi heyes he was foreman for A & B builders in Ashton in Makerfield

Replied: 21st Jan 2012 at 09:52

Posted by: stuartp (97)

Frances younger brother William was my G Grandfather.
Thomas Bamber had an older Sister Annie who married Jonathan Gregory.

Replied: 21st Jan 2012 at 14:24

Posted by: nutty tart (477) 

I have an Irene Bamber from Ince in my tree. She married my dads brother Jack Halliwell in the 1950's. Unfortunately Irene died, i think around 1968/69. I don't have any other info, sorry.

Replied: 21st Jan 2012 at 23:10

Posted by: mygriffiths (1189)

This entry on Ince cemetery suggests the family were living in the caravans at Little Westwood in the mid 30's if this is the same William who was baptised at St.Mary's in 1935.
Bamber William 14 mo 11, The Caravan 26-Feb 1936 C 557* C of E

Replied: 21st Jan 2012 at 23:54

Posted by: stuartp (97)

Hi Heyes, is Veronica, a daughter of Frances, as she did not go to America, with Thomas..She remained in Hindley and had more children, Father was a James.

Replied: 22nd Jan 2012 at 00:03

Posted by: heyes (16)

Hi everyone thank you for your replies! Frank its not my uncle Malcolm that you worked with, my griffiths i have the same info too yes it is them i think William died shortly after. Nutty our Irene married an Alan and moved Standish. Stuartp Veronica is the wife of John Bamber Frances son, i thought Frances had more children wasn't sure, yes she stayed here. Veronica is the one i'm struggling with i cant find any records for her so i dont know her parents etc. i dont think she was born local because of her looks and accent, family believe Rochdale way but i think her parents may descend from afar. I've just spoke too my mum who is going to take me to see Veronica's youngest son possibly tuesday.

Replied: 22nd Jan 2012 at 19:19

Posted by: mygriffiths (1189)

Heyes I hope you have had an enjoyable and informative visit.

Replied: 25th Jan 2012 at 16:22

Posted by: heyes (16)

Hi mygriffiths yes thank you and thank you to everyone who replied. Her son only really knew as much as us but he did mention a name who he was told was her brother and that she often said she lived in Wallgate when young but when anyone tried to talk about it she would change the subject. Anyway i did some searching when i came home last night and after two years of searching i've finally found her and uncovered the reason behind the alias names, it turns out she also used a false date of birth and often spelt her name in different ways too. I'm just going to double check all avenues tonight to make sure 100%

Replied: 25th Jan 2012 at 21:26

Posted by: beckett (373)

hello heyes,i lived in york st higher ince,there was a bamber family in our st the mother was betty and father was harry i think .this was in the 50s they had a tommy, a joey,a harry ,and a girl called jenny cant remember anymore children .there was another bamber family in ince dont know the parents but remember a johnny bamber and a malcombe bamber,hope this helps.

Replied: 29th Jan 2012 at 00:13

Posted by: heyes (16)

Hi beckett thank you for your post, yes they are related, Jenny is my grandads cousin her dad was Tommy Bamber and her mum known as Betty is Elizabeth Fishburn.

Replied: 31st Jan 2012 at 11:49

Posted by: Diane1980 (1)

Hi my grandma is Veronica I'm the daughter of John her son... If you would like to get in contact you can email me at dianebamber2@hotmail.com

Replied: 18th Oct 2019 at 12:40

Posted by: aussie94 (2396)

Worked with Bambers at Walmsleys , the old fellowy at Barley Brook. Trevor his son at Pagefield

Replied: 21st Oct 2019 at 08:25

 

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