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Started by: daghda (38)

LOOKING FOR SUE (MAIDEN NAME O'LAUGHLIN) WHO IS MARRIED TO STAN, SHE WENT TO THE CONVENT AND HAS 2 SISTERS, ANNE AND SHEILA. SUE AND STAN USED TO GO INTO THE MARKET HOTEL AND THE PARK HOTEL, I KNOW THAT THEY LIVE IN WIGAN STILL AND I AM REALLY WANTING TO GET IN TOUCH WITH THEM, I USED TO GO TO SCHOOL WITH SUE. SHE WILL BE 52 THIS YEAR AND STAN WHO WAS A BRICK LAYER IS JUST A LITTLE OLDER. MY BOYFRIEND AT THE TIME WAS CYRIL PARKINSON AND HE USED TO PLAY GUITAR WITH A GUY CALLED PADDY, THEY BOTH WENT TO WIGAN BOYS GRAMMER, CYRIL HAD A SISTER NAMED HILLARY OR H, AS SHE WAS NICKNAMED AND I HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT SHE IS NOW MANAGING A BOOKIES SOMEWHERE IN WIGAN, IF ANYONE REMEMBERS ANY OF THESE PEOPLE OR KNOWS WHERE THEY ARE NOW PLEASE LET ME KNOW. MY NAME IN THOSE DAYS WAS DEBORAH RYLANCE AND SUE AND I WERE IN TOWNLEY AT THE CONVENT.

Started: 30th Apr 2008 at 21:56

Posted by: daghda (38)

Come on you lot, there must be loads of old hippies who went into the Market Hotel and the Park Hotel someone must remember Sue or Stan. Please help, I really need to contact her.
thanks

Replied: 2nd May 2008 at 00:05

Posted by: ianmcl (inactive)

I MUST have known them but be buggered if I can remember!!! knew a Kev Parkinson from the Market. . . mebbe if they had nicknames or summat?

Replied: 2nd May 2008 at 00:09

Posted by: daghda (38)

there must have been about 20 or so people who were in "our group" as it were, and I can't remember a Kev, but here are some names I do remember, Jaz, Eileen, Roger, Cliff Duxbury, Phil, Paul Trainer, Howard, all the lads had long hair of course except for Jaz some of these people lived in Canal Row at Red Rock, I had a cottage up there and in Summer it was hippy heaven. Sue/susan and Stan didn't live up there, I think they have always lived in Wigan.

Replied: 2nd May 2008 at 00:36

Posted by: ianmcl (inactive)

ok I know Jaz - as in tailor with a dog - saw him the other day . . . Eileen, blonde hair, lived in Heather Grove? Paul Trainer deffo, knew a load from Canal Row . . . I MUST know you. . . do you remember Ratz at all from the John Bull?

Replied: 2nd May 2008 at 00:42

Posted by: stel48 (2986)

I remember you all I think i know who Sue is

Replied: 2nd May 2008 at 02:09

Posted by: junerose (4)

Do you mean Stan Mapson ? Haven't seen him
for a while but sure he's in Wigan,
Does anyone know the whereabouts of Paul Mackinder his dad is looking for him?

Replied: 2nd May 2008 at 11:47
Last edited by junerose: 15th Mar 2016 at 14:30:28

Posted by: sydneylass (2346) 

I'm sure John O Grady used to play at the Market Hotel

Replied: 2nd May 2008 at 12:16

Posted by: rio caroni (5077) 

daghda spoke to sue`s brother-in-law last night told him to let stan know you are looking for her, either she will get in touch or maybe relay a message through myself. junerose it is stan mapson he lives up near the infirmary, not seen malc mac for about five years.

Replied: 2nd May 2008 at 14:59

Posted by: daghda (38)

thank you all so very much, I am sure it must be Sue and Stan Mapson and they will only know me as Deborah. Please tell her to get onto this site then I can give her my email address. I remember Malc and Paul Makinder not Ratz though. If anyone has Sue and Stans address or telephone number please email me at post@daghda.com. I live in southern spain but come back to the uk several times a year.

Blimey all that Market Hotel life, it seems like a hundred years ago, happy days! Now that I think of it I think I had a crush on Paul Makinder and now I can only vaguely remembr what he looks like.

Does anyone remember Cyril Parkinson, he was a lovely chap, sadly he died about 15 years ago but as I said he did play gutar occasionally at the Park Hotel. Does anyone remember "the Fag", hippy and biker club, but the bikers had no bikes - hilarious - but they did all share a house somewhere near gidlow lane, I think, and the living room was full of bits of bikes!

Does anyone know what Sue does? Does Stan still work in the building trade?

Replied: 2nd May 2008 at 17:47

Posted by: stel48 (2986)

Daghda, do you not remember Petal ??

Replied: 2nd May 2008 at 17:55

Posted by: daghda (38)

Petal, Petal, a story has just popped into my head about Petal. Petal drank some battery acid and died. Is that true or is my memory playing tricks, also I seem to remember something about Petal and the Carnegie Library in Pemberton, did he do something there or did he colapse there, I seem to also remember being at a party somewhere and Petal downing all manner of pills and being very very ill. Does any of that ring a bell, do you remember me?

Replied: 2nd May 2008 at 21:07

Posted by: daghda (38)

we ought to have some kind of over fifties market/park hotel ex patriots re-union. I think it would be hilarious. Over fifty... sounds mental doesn't it.

Replied: 2nd May 2008 at 21:15

Posted by: stel48 (2986)

I think the battery acid thing is right
He was certainly a character.
There were thousands of stories about him, and they were probably all true

Replied: 2nd May 2008 at 21:17

Posted by: daghda (38)

I just saw your photo Ian McLoughlin and I recognised you but can't place how I know you, but I suppose we all went into the same pubs so we must have seen each other especially if you were up at canal row.

Replied: 2nd May 2008 at 21:21

Posted by: daghda (38)

Wow, Petal and battery acid, it is true then...I can remember what he looked like and he often wore an old combat jacket. there was another guy in this group of hippies who died, I think his name was Fred, he was a bit older than me possibly a friend of Malc Makinder's, anyhow I think he died of an overdose.

Replied: 2nd May 2008 at 22:43

Posted by: rio caroni (5077) 

Remember seeing Petal in the cafe on the top of Great Orme,Llandudno. Surprisingly he was off his head at the time!

Replied: 2nd May 2008 at 22:48

Posted by: stel48 (2986)

What a shocker Rio ..............not

There are quite a lot of that crowd dead now to be honest

Replied: 2nd May 2008 at 23:15

Posted by: bennielechat (5762)

I was a regular at the Park & Market in the mid 70s.I think Petal actually drank anti-freeze not battery acid.

Replied: 3rd May 2008 at 05:25

Posted by: junerose (4)

It was Fred Jacobs that died , he was with Sandy who died a few years later (overdoses of course) We had some good times up at Eccleston Delph. Still looking for Paul Mackinder if anyone can help .

Replied: 4th May 2008 at 16:04

Posted by: stel48 (2986)

Sorry Junerose, not seen Paul for years, not since he lived in Scholes

Replied: 4th May 2008 at 16:08

Posted by: daghda (38)

Yes it was anti freeze and I remember sandy, what a shame!

Replied: 4th May 2008 at 18:00

Posted by: junerose (4)

Paul died on Friday 24th Jan 2014.

Replied: 29th Jan 2014 at 14:37

Posted by: Bennie (1297) 

Sorry to hear about Paul, junerose, not seen him in years but saw Malc in Asda a couple of weeks ago.

Replied: 29th Jan 2014 at 21:31

Posted by: junerose (4)

Pauls funeral 11am at Wigan Crematorium on Friday 14th February if anyone out there would like to be there.

Replied: 12th Feb 2014 at 22:36

Posted by: Bronach (7)

There was only a few at Paul's funeral, his family inc brother Malc and me and 2 others from the old Market days. He very much lived his own life, it appeared from what was said, living in a forest for several years at one time. We said goodbye as "Desperado" played. He dropped off the radar a long time ago (probably in his forest)but I had a soft spot for the smartly dressed guy who looked like a young Bob Geldoff, he was one of ours when we were all just kids with fairydust in our eyes. RIP old friend.

Replied: 6th Mar 2014 at 11:11

Posted by: ayrefield (4465)

Petal, that name is a blast from the past, he would walk or should that be float from Upholland to Wigan.

Didn't Sue and Stan hang around the Market and Park with the Regan's i.e. Pauline, Angela and Elaine, and I remember Frank Mapson too and also Jim ? who was then a postman and is now a social worker.

Replied: 7th Mar 2014 at 12:04

Posted by: Bennie (1297) 

Jim Bolton , he's retired now but still knocking about, I see him quite often around town.

Replied: 7th Mar 2014 at 21:10

Posted by: kathpressey (5350) 

daghda - I've found an address for Susan and Stan mapson. email me and I will pass on but I don't want to put it on here
kathleen.pressey@sky.com

Replied: 8th Mar 2014 at 09:25

Posted by: ayrefield (4465)

That's him Bennie, Jim Bolton, I see him odd times too, hasn't changed very much has he.

Replied: 8th Mar 2014 at 11:34

Posted by: Bronach (7)

Paul McCracken, Fred Jacobs and Sandy, John Burns and Jill, Sailor Jack, Fred Fry and Janie Bird, Davie Bird, Petal, Graham Mad Dog,Roger Hetherington, Kenny Kneale, Les Holcroft,Bill Davies, Cliff Duxbury, Phil Holden, Toshak, the 3 Wallies (Little, Middle and Big...!!!) John Wilmington, Jim Bolton, Kenny Young, Jez, Jonnie Rip Off,Stan and Frank Mapson, Paul and Malc MacKinder, Elaine, Angie and Pauline Regan, Sue, Anne and Sheila O'Loughlin, Kate Garner, Sue McGarty, Barbara Spencer, Anne Wilkinson,Pete Gaskell, Tom Spain, Bryan Talbot, Mary Atherton, Anne Cottriall...Any more for any more?

Replied: 11th Mar 2014 at 10:34

Posted by: Bronach (7)

And not forgetting John Markey, which I just did. How is it possible to forget Hissing Sid of the famously loud ties and the even more famous attack on Wigan police station. Cries of "Into Mordor", were heard,I believe. Never did find out what all that was about......

Replied: 11th Mar 2014 at 13:02

Posted by: Bennie (1297) 

I remember that Bronach the police were informed from a grass that they'd bought substances from the "Market" but the policeman misheard and thought they'd said "Markey" , so he was arrested ,roughed up and thrown in the nick for a night. Disgruntled after his release ,John sought his revenge and threw a crude home made bomb into the cop shop.It didn't cause any damage but he was duly arrested and spent a short time at her majesty's.

I got the story from John himself but I may have got details wrong-its a long time ago.

Other names..

Jimmy Brady, Les Ormesher,John Winstanley,Kipper, Bob Mohawk,Psychadelic Gerry,Tim Jones & Ronnie,Collie & Carol,Jeff Carter,Keith Brody,John & Pete Noble,Doctor Bob,Debbie Grimsditch, Kev Parkinson, Vic Cooper,Julie Peakman...

Replied: 11th Mar 2014 at 19:11
Last edited by Bennie: 11th Mar 2014 at 23:57:24

Posted by: upthetims (6577)



Same class as Malc Mackinder at WGS.Was true about John Markey,bennie,think he was arrested in bier keller,not totally sure.Wigans own Anarchist,shared many a spliff with John in the day.Fred Jacobs was once awarded the title of apprentice of the year at Leyland Motors,brought up in Bolton St,Sandy used to frequent The Room at The Top who came to a sad end along with Fred,both good people who somehow got into smack

Replied: 12th Mar 2014 at 17:38

Posted by: alan lad (443)

Well Bronach you have named some of the top mods of Wigan from the best years of our life.

Replied: 12th Mar 2014 at 18:54

Posted by: Bennie (1297) 

So many of them gone UTT, In the late 80s John went to University in Bangor, or maybe Swansea, as a mature student , he called to see us at .Christmas and we went on to the Hen 'ole for a few pints.
Never was him again, he died back at Uni in the new year. So sad as he was really trying to make some sense of his life.

Replied: 12th Mar 2014 at 22:52

Posted by: shopmobility_wigan (3)

So many familiar names, people I had forgotten about.

Replied: 1st Feb 2016 at 02:09

Posted by: shopmobility_wigan (3)

So many familiar names, people I had forgotten about.

Replied: 1st Feb 2016 at 02:24

Posted by: joebloggs (3)

went to the first glastonbury festival on a coach trip arranged by john wilmington at f.a.g.(market hotel friday nights).some great bands played

Replied: 4th Sep 2021 at 12:49

Posted by: JR (261)

I haven't seen Stan Mapson for a while. Always a unique sense of humour. A few years ago I met him at the hospital - it turned out we were both being treated for the same type of cancer - follicular lymphoma. Last time we spoke he was in remission. Mine came back but I'm back in remission again. Stan was a builder, but I guess he might have retired as he's a bit older than me (I'm nearly 68 but still working). Sue got a law degree, but I believe she worked in Social Services. They bought a nice house somewhere behind the Bellingham.
Many names that I too remember. I see 'Jolly Jim' Bolton frequently. Haven't seen Jazz or Malc in a while. I used to hang about with Custer (Tony Meadows) and Toshack (Chris Ashcroft). Most people knew me as Dylan back then. I later hung about with Paul McKinder, Walt Tolley, Daffy and Alan Grimes to mention just a few. I always thought Petal died from drinking WD40; I know that he regularly drank mentholated spirits. He ran out of money one afternoon in the Market; he then offered to do a streak along Mesnes Street for some beer money. The Market was the main hippy meeting place; the Park was popular too. I loved a short visit to the Market followed by a good night at the Students Union (old Swinley labour Club). It was always a good night at the FAG, upstairs in the Swan and Railway. Another name here - Merlin from Pemberton. He did a gig one night at the FAG. As for bikers, I remember Pete (don't know the surname) telling me he was getting married. They married in the church near the Park Hotel (later demolished). The bride arrived in a sidecar made of orange box wood. Hells Angels from all over came to the wedding. The headline in the newspaper was 'Wedding Bells Bring Angels'.
Good days - doesn't seem so long ago. Life moves fast.

Replied: 5th Sep 2021 at 14:57
Last edited by JR: 5th Sep 2021 at 16:10:14

Posted by: JR (261)

Quick update - I bumped into 'mad' Jack the Sailor on Saturday. Haven't seen him for years!

Replied: 12th Sep 2021 at 16:56

Posted by: broady (17302) 

Stan Mapson would be around 73 I think. He used to go to Rigby's Farm in Abram in the mid 60's with his brother Ken who sadly passed away a while ago.

Replied: 12th Sep 2021 at 18:47

 

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