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Tontine Road Upholland

Started by: winnie (1276) 

can any one help me is there any old pictures of this road my ancestors are living here in the 1861 and the head Joseph Horrocks is a nailmaker would there have been a factory near by as a lot of his neighbours had the same occupation thanks

Started: 4th Nov 2015 at 19:54

Posted by: tonker (21577) 

Billinge was the centre of nailmaking. Try St.Helens Connect - Billinge History Society or typing 'Billinge nailmakers' or 'Billinge nailmaking' into google.

Billinge History Society




Replied: 4th Nov 2015 at 20:52
Last edited by tonker: 4th Nov 2015 at 21:02:40

Posted by: Jazzy (8654) 

Winnie

There's a picture here of Tontine Road circa 1920.

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Found it here

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This picture is copyright protected

Replied: 4th Nov 2015 at 21:42
Last edited by Jazzy: 4th Nov 2015 at 21:47:38

Posted by: Jazzy (8654) 

Another here, also copyright protected circa 1920


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Replied: 4th Nov 2015 at 21:48

Posted by: winnie (1276) 

thank you

Replied: 5th Nov 2015 at 09:52

Posted by: priscus (8272)

How did it come to get the name 'Tontine'?

Had a local tontine been set up, and used to convey land ownership into a local holding or summut?

Replied: 5th Nov 2015 at 17:21

Posted by: dennis dickinson (1131)

I think (and I stress the word 'think') that the Horrocks family owned the shop opposite the Majestic Cinema in Sefton Road Orrell, which was very near to Tontine.
The Horrocks shop only sold soft drinks (Dandelion & Burdock, Lemonade etc).
It was frequented by people who were against the drinking of alcohol - Methodist etc.
There was a name for those types of shops, but I can't recall what it was.

Replied: 11th Nov 2015 at 19:59

Posted by: Anne (3789) 

Would it be temperance bars Dennis?

Replied: 11th Nov 2015 at 20:05

Posted by: dennis dickinson (1131)

Yes - that's the word Anne - Temperance Bars -they also sold Vimto, Sarsaparilla, Ginger Beer, Creaming Soda etc.

Replied: 11th Nov 2015 at 20:08

Posted by: heritagelass (116)

Winnie: nail making at that time was a cottage industry in places like Tontine, Far Moor and Billinge. Read the article online in Past Forward,
issue 65, December 2013, pages 6 and 7, written by Alan Roby.
It is very interesting.

Replied: 11th Nov 2015 at 20:28

Posted by: Anne (3789) 

Winnie...although I once lived close to where Jazzys link pictures are I am having difficulty recognising anything apart from the mill.

Replied: 11th Nov 2015 at 20:43

Posted by: Jazzy (8654) 

Link for heritagelass' post

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Replied: 11th Nov 2015 at 21:51

Posted by: dennis dickinson (1131)

Anne - the photograph would have been taken probably about 200 yards past the two semi-detached houses (the ones with a street light outside) going towards Tontine. Although it is approx 50 years since I lived in Upholland so my memory might be a little 'tainted'.

Replied: 12th Nov 2015 at 04:19

Posted by: Anne (3789) 

Dennis... Still disoriented, without reference to where the Delph tavern is I am completely bamboozled. It is 45 years since I lived there and moved because of the motorway being built.

Replied: 12th Nov 2015 at 08:38

Posted by: winnie (1276) 

thank you very much every one x

Replied: 12th Nov 2015 at 10:15

Posted by: noddy2 (280)

Winnie fist picture coming from upholland church down the hill towards where the delph tavern now stands.
The other one from the delph tavern back towards upholland church cant see the delph tavern in the picture maybe it was not there in circa 1920.

Replied: 12th Nov 2015 at 15:03

Posted by: LindaWarrior (147) 

Anne - if you look at the second photo, you would have your back against the Delph Tavern looking towards Upholland. What we called 'the top shop' is the building on your right. I lived in the cottages on the top left of the picture and they were demolished to make way for the M58 bridge.

Replied: 13th Nov 2015 at 18:20

Posted by: Anne (3789) 

LindaWarrior.. Thanks for the info. I know where I am now. A little lower down from the shop shown there are some more cottages going towards Sefton road, living in one of those was a chap by the name of Gene. Did you know him?

Replied: 13th Nov 2015 at 18:36

Posted by: LindaWarrior (147) 

Yes, Anne, I did. Gene Burns. He was bed bound wasn't he? We moved 164/65 I think.

Replied: 13th Nov 2015 at 21:31

Posted by: Anne (3789) 

Hi Linda... Could be our paths crossed. I lived in Lawns ave. from when those houses were first built 1962. Moved out 1969 when the M58 was built. There was a gap from 64-68 when I lived in India, the house was rented during that period.

Replied: 13th Nov 2015 at 21:44

Posted by: LindaWarrior (147) 

Hi Anne... Quite possible. I went to St James's RC school. I remember the houses in Lawns Ave being built. We used to play on the site! . There were swings on the field close by too.

Replied: 13th Nov 2015 at 21:57

Posted by: dennis dickinson (1131)

As a boy (I was born in 1945) I can recall walking from Upholland Railway Station across to Lawns Farm / Avenue past the 'pepper pots'.
I don't know if they still exist, but they were ventilation shafts over the railway tunnel, when a steam train went through the tunnel the smoke from the steam engine used to 'spurt' out of the ventilation shafts like a pepper shaker. Happy memories ....

Replied: 13th Nov 2015 at 22:15

Posted by: LindaWarrior (147) 

Dennis - the pepper pots are still there, although they've been capped. There's a photo on Photo-a-Day on Thursday, 18th September 2014 that was taken by Neil Cain. There's still some good walks around there.

Replied: 13th Nov 2015 at 22:20

Posted by: Anne (3789) 

Dennis... There was a photo on PAD not very long ago, can't remember exactly when. Keep your eyes open for the thumbnail piccys.

Replied: 13th Nov 2015 at 22:21

Posted by: dennis dickinson (1131)

Linda Warrior - I see that your surname is Highton, just by chance did you have any relatives who lived in St James Road Orrell 'many moons ago' ?

Replied: 14th Nov 2015 at 04:03

Posted by: LindaWarrior (147) 

Dennis- Highton is my married name. I don't have relatives by that name in St James's Rd but yes I do have relatives there. My stepdad was Albert Regan who used to have a brick haulage business there & my step sister lives in the house now.

Replied: 14th Nov 2015 at 10:19

Posted by: dennis dickinson (1131)

Linda Warrior - my paternal grandmother lived at 88 St James Road, my great grandmother lived about number 11 St James Road, her son (Tom Highton) had a coal business which he delivered by horse and cart, he kept the horse in a stable behind the house (that was 60+ years ago).
An uncle of mine 'Leslie Ward' had a furniture trucking business based in Church Street, Orrell.

Replied: 15th Nov 2015 at 07:33

Posted by: LindaWarrior (147) 

Dennis-this gets better! My dad worked for Leslie Ward! Sadly my dad died, aged 28 in 1956 when I was just 18 months old. I have photos of him driving the wagon of Mr Ward.

I'm afraid I don't know of Tom Highton, but my step sister may have as her grandparents owned a stable in St James's Road behind what is now the vets. That would be round about no. 11 too.

Replied: 15th Nov 2015 at 19:25

Posted by: dennis dickinson (1131)

Linda Warrior - I may have met your father ! - I was born in 1945, from about 1954, I used to 'help' my Uncle Leslie when it was school holidays etc. When I say 'help' I used to sit in the cab and deliver the small parcels that he had to deliver. I do recall him having a man work for him !
I would be interested to know the surname of both your step sister and her grandparents, by the way I now live in New Zealand.

Replied: 16th Nov 2015 at 00:26

Posted by: dennis dickinson (1131)

Linda Warrior - I have just looked on Google Maps, the stables would have been behind the row of houses next door to the 'Barn Lodge Vet Clinic' (going up St James Road).
I had relatives who lived in the first house of that row, my Great Grand Mother Highton who passed away in her 90s around 1953.
Tom Highton kept his horse and cart in the stables there, but he lived next door to Orrell Railway Station.

Replied: 16th Nov 2015 at 07:38

Posted by: LindaWarrior (147) 

Dennis-my dad was Joe Calderbank. My step sister is Jacqueline Cusick (nee Regan) and her grandfather was Jack Regan. He had a brother Ste Regan who may have owned the stables. I will check with her for the full story and see if she can come on here and confirm.

Replied: 16th Nov 2015 at 11:21

 

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