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Started by: christine marsden (739) 

Does anyone know the history of rainford house. Winstanley.?my winstanley and richardson families lived there in the 1800s.and know of the families after. But would like to know of its history?eg how did it get its name.or where can i find out Chris

Started: 7th May 2012 at 15:10

Posted by: frankwalford (1098) 

It used to be Rainford Hall,it was built in 1665 and comprised two dwellings which were converted into one.It was demolished in 1967

Replied: 7th May 2012 at 16:40

Posted by: kathpressey (5601) 

Christine I wonder if your Winstanley line is mine? I'm trying to find a James Winstanley b1825 in Winstanley and it could be him at Rainford House in 1841.

Replied: 15th Feb 2014 at 13:28

Posted by: kathpressey (5601) 

Rainford House

Replied: 16th Feb 2014 at 09:57

Posted by: christine marsden (739) 

My gg grandfather 1800ish and wife Ann wadsworth lived rainford house .they had son James 1835. There was also living in other cottage Sarah winstanley .1787ish. With sons john 1829and James 1828 i
don't know if she a widow or single.
Found births for these two with father James and mother Sarah.but don't know where he came from.
On James 1828marriage father was James deceased. Look on people on my post last week there is the 1841census for James and Ann and family.

Replied: 25th Feb 2014 at 16:39

Posted by: kathpressey (5601) 

On the 1841 census the 2 dwellings at rainford house were all Winstanleys. Sarah was in one with 2 lads and a family in the other. I wondered if Sarah was their grandmother . what was your gtgt grandfather's name Christine?

Replied: 25th Feb 2014 at 17:33

Posted by: christine marsden (739) 

James winstanley. About 1800 .married 1823 Ann wadsworth .they had several children one was my g grandmother Mary 1825.
James parents were William and Mary fairhurst.they lived at wigan lodge.winstanley. There were two cottages that was rainford house .

Replied: 25th Feb 2014 at 18:33

Posted by: christine marsden (739) 

James winstanley born 1826

John winstanley born 1.5.1829
both parents James and Sarah winstanley
lived winstanley. Nailor by trade ..
James winstanley died 1833aged 46. Winstanley .nailor. By trade.
So i guess Sarah was mother of these two. But can't find a birth for
James his dob would have been 1787like Sarah s dob .wonder if James

1787 was married before?as they were in their 30s when they had there two boys

Replied: 25th Feb 2014 at 19:51

Posted by: MarieM (5563)

Christine Where in Winstanley was this situated.

Replied: 25th Feb 2014 at 20:29

Posted by: christine marsden (739) 

Wigan lodge is on pemberton road at pony dick.still there.friend of mine lives there. Rainford house was down what is now Holmes house ave
Was demolished 1967,

Replied: 25th Feb 2014 at 22:10

Posted by: kathpressey (5601) 

I think James might be mt gt gt granddad as he was born Winstanley and in 1841 he was the only James of that age to be in Winstanley.
James and Jon could be the youngest and others could have moved on or died. I think it was common for widowers to remarry and get a new mum for the family.

Replied: 26th Feb 2014 at 08:48

Posted by: christine marsden (739) 

Gave you wrong info. James. About 1800s.parents were Samuel 1762 and Margaret (Nee hill)married 1783

:NOT William and Mary. These were my Richardson family. Sorry about that.
Found a marriage for James and esther houghton in 1816 they had three children. Last one Alice 1821 she died then .in childbirth. He could have married again Sarah can't find it though. Looks like James 1826 married Mary park.have got it all written down. Will find it. Just need toknow who James.1787 father was.
know who was jamdp1787

Replied: 26th Feb 2014 at 09:34

Posted by: christine marsden (739) 

Children of James and esther.

Robert 20.7.1818
Elizabeth 28.7.1820
Alice 27.3.1821
Esther was buried 21.4.1821
child bed .Alice was baptised same day.
James died 1833.aged 46.
1841 Sarah with James and john at rainford house.

Replied: 26th Feb 2014 at 10:03

Posted by: christine marsden (739) 

Mary is mis spelled. Says peank on opc.should beMary penk. 3.12.1829.married all saints James winstanley. Her father map William penk miner .orrell.presume this is your line?

Replied: 26th Feb 2014 at 10:38

Posted by: kathpressey (5601) 

I don't think so. I've traced back via Thomas Winstanley at lamberhead Green.He was born 1847 and baptised at St Johns in 1853 along with siblings. I'm pretty certain about him now as he's the only Thomas that age born in Pemberton. James is his father born in Winstanley.
I get very confused as many of the family have the same Christian names!
You're very good though Christine and it's nice having someone to bounce ideas off.

Replied: 26th Feb 2014 at 12:24

Posted by: christine marsden (739) 

Is st James and Catherine wild his parents.?

Replied: 26th Feb 2014 at 14:35

Posted by: kathpressey (5601) 

yes!!

Replied: 26th Feb 2014 at 17:29

Posted by: MarieM (5563)

Christine May Mill was previously called Wildes Mill and there was a row of cottages down Foundry Lane called Wildes Cottages where the workers lived including my Great, Great, Great Grandfather and Grandmother who came here at the time of the Potato Famine in Ireland when they were starving. Then it was the American War of Independence when no cotton was coming over here so they were starving again. I don't know how they survived.

Replied: 26th Feb 2014 at 19:12

Posted by: christine marsden (739) 

My grandmothers sister Phoebe gee(nee Richardson) lived there in the 1800s.
I can just about remember them. Used to cycle past rainford house and Holmes house farm,down watkins brow which led to the cottages and may mill .happy days.now all houses. .only tanpit. Cottages remain. Don't know why they weren't pulled down as well. My father was born thereand my grandparents and g .grandparents as well.

Replied: 26th Feb 2014 at 19:26

Posted by: MarieM (5563)

Christine, Which cottages still remain.

Replied: 26th Feb 2014 at 19:34

Posted by: kathpressey (5601) 

I've just ordered a book An Early Record of the Bankes family at Winstanley. I'm hoping it will have some good onfo in it.
Marie was it you who posted a picture of Wildes cottages once? I googled Winstanley and found a few old pictures of the cottages. I think they might be on here somewhere.

Replied: 27th Feb 2014 at 09:17

Posted by: christine marsden (739) 

Tan pit Cottages. Again down Holmes house ave. Past the precinct and on the right just in some trees.three in a row.

Replied: 27th Feb 2014 at 09:24

Posted by: christine marsden (739) 

On this. Site photo s of wigan. Then wigan streets Under .T is tan pit Cottages they are white now but stone when i was little. X

Replied: 27th Feb 2014 at 09:29

Posted by: kathpressey (5601) 


Do you know these cottages Christine. I'll try and transfer the pics I downloaded

Replied: 27th Feb 2014 at 10:56

Posted by: kathpressey (5601) 


a Winstanley cottage

Replied: 27th Feb 2014 at 10:59

Posted by: kathpressey (5601) 


another cottage

Replied: 27th Feb 2014 at 11:02

Posted by: kathpressey (5601) 


and another scene from Winstanley

Replied: 27th Feb 2014 at 11:04

Posted by: Anne (4386) 

Kathpressey.... The book about the Bankes family . Do you know who the author is? I would be very interested to learn who it is.

Replied: 27th Feb 2014 at 11:11

Posted by: christine marsden (739) 

The first one is new houses.pembeRton road.i lived across the road from them.they were demolished in the late 50 early 60s.
There is another rowfurther down road still there and now up graded Jon look lovely. My grandmother was born there before moving to tan pits .think the other houses may have been somewhere near the hall.don't recognise them.does it not say where they are. ?

Replied: 27th Feb 2014 at 11:33

Posted by: christine marsden (739) 

Yes just looked on site these cottages are up hall lane which starts at pony dick leading to the hall. One of them has been renovated and sold for 4000k couple of. years ago
the last one is up pemberton road At the big stone .up among some new houses

Replied: 27th Feb 2014 at 11:56

Posted by: christine marsden (739) 

Look on this site under" stuff". Download founded on coal and further history by Derek and ray winstanley.really good

Replied: 27th Feb 2014 at 12:12

Posted by: kathpressey (5601) 

I'll look for the link you mention Christine - ta. It's The Early Records of The Bankes Family at Winstanley by Joyce Bankes and Eric Kerridge.I got a copy 2nd hand from Amazon for about £11 as the new one was expensive.I think it includes a map.

Replied: 27th Feb 2014 at 12:57

Posted by: christine marsden (739) 

Remember Joyce banks. They had a rough time when the pits all closed .they had to live in the servants quarters. Couldn't afford to renovate it. All falling down now.absolute shameful. I grew up in winstanley and remember going to daffodil day they had every year.
Think most people worked for the bankes fam ily in the 1800s they practically owned everything.
There are some photo s of meyrick bankes on the album site for winstanley. The link i mentioned is worth a read though.

Theysold all the farms and cottages off.the ones at new houses sold for £50



think they originated from Scotland.

Replied: 27th Feb 2014 at 14:54

Posted by: kathpressey (5601) 

The book should arrive soon Christine. I can have a look at it and let you know if it's worth buying. I had a look at that link. very interesting.

Replied: 28th Feb 2014 at 08:58

Posted by: christine marsden (739) 

Thanks for that. Winstanley holds special memories.whats it like now. The biggest private housing estate in England!!
All my ancestors were from there and many happy days .

Replied: 28th Feb 2014 at 09:28

Posted by: Anne (4386) 

Kath and Christine...
I have in my possession a typewritten account by Joyce H M Bankes of the history of the hall and the Bankes family. In it is mention of a William Winstanley steward to Mrs. Martha Holme. A letter written by him is dated September 15th 1711. Would this be a relative of either of you.

Replied: 28th Feb 2014 at 10:28

Posted by: christine marsden (739) 

There will be some connection somewhere anne.so far im ?James 1700 butthere were so many winstanley s . All James,William or Samuel.

Replied: 28th Feb 2014 at 12:50

Posted by: Anne (4386) 

This tome that I have is I believe typed by JHMB herself and the Mrs. Martha Holme was a Bankes. The letter was written in Pemberton. Maybe if you were able to find what occupation your ancestors had.....

Replied: 28th Feb 2014 at 13:15

Posted by: christine marsden (739) 

Think they were farmers or labourers on a farm.there were so many farms around. The other occupation was nailor ,which was a major job then ,as so many horses that needed shoeing .
Is there any clue in the letter? Must be difficult to read .

Replied: 28th Feb 2014 at 13:30

Posted by: kathpressey (5601) 

I'd love to see the letter Ann! where did you get it?
My book has arrived. 100pages. It has the memoranda book of James Bankes in it which will take some reading as it's old English! written Elizabethan times. it has asection on the state accounts1667-78; the Rentals 1668-77 and the Probate inventory of James Bankes. It's not bedtime reading but there are lots of references to Winstanleys which should be interesting.There's a map at the back of the land owned by William Bankes 1770 with houses marked. great stuff. I can try and scan it.

Replied: 28th Feb 2014 at 13:55

Posted by: Anne (4386) 

Kath.... It isn't an original letter. I am wondering if this spiral bound thing I have (which has been lent to me along with plans of the hall) could be the original proof of the book you have. It is also full of accounts, solicitors letters, memories, tales and much more. Heavy going reading. I was originally looking for anything relating to Rainford house but nothing yet. It would seem JHMB has written several books including the one with E.Kerridge (spelling).

Replied: 28th Feb 2014 at 14:13

Posted by: kathpressey (5601) 

i'm having trouble with photobucket. I scanned and downloaded the map but from Photobucket it's not there..

Replied: 28th Feb 2014 at 14:33

Posted by: christine marsden (739) 

I have extract from Donald Anderson book. Wonder if rainford house was the home of the winstanleys originally.it was built 1665 so James would have been long gone by then .presume it was built by the rainford family. My winstanleys lived there in the 1800s.then my grandmothers uncle Nathan Richardson lived there in the 1880.
I knew it as shaws cottage down shaws lane . The shaws lived there in the 1950s.
I have a book called antiquarian society transaction.s.there is an extract by Joyce bankes on the records of mining in winstanley.will have a read through.

Replied: 28th Feb 2014 at 15:18

Posted by: christine marsden (739) 

According to this article by Joyce.Thomas bankes daughter ann 1706-1799married Hugh holme from up Holland. His father was Edward holme and his mother Martha who ran the mines after his death

Replied: 28th Feb 2014 at 16:03

Posted by: christine marsden (739) 

According to this article by Joyce.Thomas bankes daughter ann 1706-1799married Hugh holme from up Holland. His father was Edward holme and his mother Martha who ran the mines after his death

Replied: 28th Feb 2014 at 16:04

Posted by: Anne (4386) 

Yes that's what the letter was about, Martha running the mines.

Replied: 28th Feb 2014 at 16:36
Last edited by Anne: 28th Feb 2014 at 16:38:13

Posted by: kathpressey (5601) 

In my book there are quite a few Rainfords in the index. I imagine this family lived in the house that became known as Rainford house.

Replied: 28th Feb 2014 at 17:31

Posted by: christine marsden (739) 

Apparently Ann holme changed her name back to bankes to keep the name going.
Would imagine there were rainford s at the house in1665

Replied: 28th Feb 2014 at 18:36

Posted by: MarieM (5563)

Christine, you must have been posh you living in Winstanley. We all lived in Wallgate and then on Council estates.

Replied: 2nd Mar 2014 at 20:10

Posted by: christine marsden (739) 

Yeh. Sure .lol. !!!!!! Working class like lots of people.!!

Replied: 2nd Mar 2014 at 22:41

Posted by: kathpressey (5601) 

I think the posh Winstanley of todays bears no resemblance to the Old Winstanley. I'm sure it was better then and a real community. Wallgate is well known for it's old community spirit Marie. You only have to read the Wallgate posts on here to realise that.Always be proud of your heritage.[as I'm sure we all are!]

Replied: 3rd Mar 2014 at 08:57

Posted by: kathpressey (5601) 

Have you seen the pictures of the day for today and yesterday - Winstanley Hall

Replied: 3rd Mar 2014 at 08:57

Posted by: Scarce61 (2)

Hi
My maternal Grandmother was a 'Winstanley' I have traced back my line using certificates and censuses, etc and concluded the 1841 census Sarah Winstanley with James and John ARE her sons. The son, James, is my 3 x Great Grandfather (married Mary Peank (Penk) in 1850.
Sarah, was nee 'Hitchen', and she married James Winstanley (1787 - 1833) in December 1807 at All Saints Church, Wigan (Lancs OPC).
My curiosity is: was my 4 x Gt Grandfather, James (b. 1787) a relative of the James Winstanley married to Ann and also at Rainford House on the 1841 census? Perhaps a cousin?

Replied: 28th May 2023 at 15:19
Last edited by Scarce61: 28th May 2023 at 15:48:51

Posted by: tonker (28076) 

" Hi "

Do I know you?

Replied: 28th May 2023 at 16:37

Posted by: Scarce61 (2)

To 'Tonker'

No, you won't know me. I have never managed to visit the Wigan area. It's on my bucket list, will get there one day.
I also never met any of Grandma's family, just heard about them. I grew up in the other Rose county at Whitby, Yorkshire, but born in Kent!
My Grandma was Rhoda Winstanley, her father being James Winstanley (1894 - 1945) and mother, Mona (nee Hall).
James's parents were William Winstanley (b. 1862) and Elizabeth Darbyshire, both of Lamberhead Green.
James's parents: James Winstanley (b. 1826 Winstanley, christened in St Aiden, Billinge 1826), and Mary Peank (Penk).

Which led me back to James Winstanley (1787 - 1833, nailor) and Sarah Hitchen (1786 - 1857). They married in 1807 at All Saints, Wigan.

Regards





Replied: 5th Aug 2023 at 20:59

 

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