ST .PAUL Church Yard

Started by: GOLDEN BEAR (4153) 

I was just wondering does anyone know who is responsible for the upkeep and general tidying of the church grounds at ST PAUS GOOSE GREEN?
Only went in recently to place the traditional exmas pots on my parents grave and noticed that everywhere the decaying leaves from all the surrounding trees are a real problem walking on them if one is of an old age its very slippery in the past i recall they had been removed but this year not and was thinking is it due like everything else covid to blame , but i do think somebody should try and maintain the area .At castle hill cemetary where my wife's parents are the level of tidyness is very good so why cant the same be done at goose green?

Started: 21st Dec 2020 at 15:32

Posted by: dougie (4702) 

You go and do it that way others my help, look at the volunteers at Downall green just a small number of people but have made a big difference, are do as I did and buy three brushes out of Aldi for £9 and put on the path and a photo showing them how to use them it did work, so you start it off as putting it on here will not help in anyway

Replied: 21st Dec 2020 at 20:14
Last edited by dougie: 26th Dec 2020 at 18:51:15

Posted by: GOLDEN BEAR (4153) 

Hello Dougie,
Well Dougie there would nothing give me greater pleasure and satisfaction to do it myself , alas after having 10 operations i am unable to do any of the jobs/chores i used to do prior to my latest health problems. I did try and move some of the leaves away on Saturday last by the side of my parents grave Thomas Winstanley & Elizabeth Ann Winstanley , but i could hardky get back to my car due to the crippling back /hip pain and at 73 it's becoming more difficult these days ,for if there is one thing that these op's have taught i HATE having to depend on other people . I apologise if i have come across a idle person .G.B.

Replied: 22nd Dec 2020 at 14:51

Posted by: tonker (24051) 

The residents should look after their own plot, subject to the tenancy agreement !

Replied: 22nd Dec 2020 at 18:21

Posted by: dougie (4702) 

GB you'll not see any leaves in this newer part on or round the grave's now the Volunteers have moved them, but as Tonker said they should all do their little bit

Replied: 22nd Dec 2020 at 22:21

Posted by: GOLDEN BEAR (4153) 

Dougie :
I am sorry to disagree my wife and i have been in today 23/12/20 10.30 am and the leaves are still there !!!!!!!!Also the walkways are in a bad way too !

Replied: 23rd Dec 2020 at 16:24

Posted by: berylh (2096)

In my church the regular members of the congregation 'adopt' a grave that is not maintained regular, even families join in - it keeps the plots looking respected and the graveyard tidy and safe.

Replied: 23rd Dec 2020 at 16:53

Posted by: cindy (5921) 

I think some while ago they used to ask for donations ? to help pay for looking after the Church Yard.

Replied: 23rd Dec 2020 at 18:04
Last edited by cindy: 23rd Dec 2020 at 18:05:57

Posted by: tonker (24051) 

Makes a change from the 'church roof fund'!

In answer to their begging booklet, I once offered a church £20,000 towards their church roof repair. Because that's what sort of a chap I am !

However, there was a condition. And that was, I got the contract to do the repairs. Guess what? They didn't accept my offer!

Replied: 23rd Dec 2020 at 19:04

Posted by: dougie (4702) 

GB,--I was talking about Downall Green Churchyard not St-Pauls

Replied: 23rd Dec 2020 at 19:51
Last edited by dougie: 23rd Dec 2020 at 20:58:02

Posted by: GOLDEN BEAR (4153) 

Dougie :
I apologise unreservedly i mistook it for thinking you meant ST.PAULS goose green .I would just like to wish you and yours a happy christmas stay safe . G.B.

Replied: 24th Dec 2020 at 15:42

Posted by: dougie (4702) 

THank's same to you Alan

Replied: 24th Dec 2020 at 20:05
Last edited by dougie: 27th Dec 2020 at 09:31:29

Posted by: daviessb (86)

Goldenbear, have you been in touch with the church? I've been taking photo's for Find a Grave. My dad and best friend are buried in St Paul's. I asked before did anyone want to get a group together to tidy or index the graveyards. I also have my Grandparents and quite a few Aunts and Uncles in St Matthews, think you commented on my post looking for a grave plan. I'd like to get involved with a group to help.

Replied: 31st Mar 2021 at 21:54

Posted by: GOLDEN BEAR (4153) 

Hello ( daviessb)
I apologise for not getting back to you i am a bit of a loss who to contact about a the grave index, I have both my parents and have a grandad in there ,my problem is i cannot find a plot that holds my grandmother in, and i know its strange she is not with grandad . when things get back to some normality i will have to try and contact the vicar . May i ask what is is this photo find a grave all about ??? G.B.

Replied: 2nd Apr 2021 at 16:09

Posted by: DaveL (20)

GB: I've also been adding graves to the Find A Grave site. If you go to the Memorials page you can put the deceased person's name and year of death in - if there's a record of that grave on the site, it will show up. You can filter it by adding the name of the cemetery. It's not comprehensive - it depends on whether a volunteer has covered the cemetery or not - and how much detail they've put into the record.
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Replied: 4th Apr 2021 at 09:42

Posted by: macwil48 (344)

Hi DaveL,
Thanks for adding photos to FAG. As a result of your post I've just found my Great grandparents grave in St Pauls, not where I expected them!
Not one of your photos though!

Replied: 7th Apr 2021 at 11:08
Last edited by macwil48: 7th Apr 2021 at 11:09:55

Posted by: DaveL (20)

macwil - some people systematically cover all the graves in a graveyard, but my additions to the FAG site are a by-product of my work recording graves which carry commemorations to men lost overseas in war. Once I've uploaded them to the War Museum's Register I add them to the FAG database as an addition to their coverage of CWGC war graves.

Replied: 8th Apr 2021 at 13:43

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (8066)

I took this picture of StPauls Graveyard a few years back, from across Smithy Brook.

As yoo can see there was no fence at the bottom of the graveyard, anyone could have fallen into the brook, and I also thought that the burials were so close to the brook, that if there was a landslip, caused by heavy rain, or something like that, those graves at the bottom of the graveyard would be swept into Smithy Brook, and coffins would be floating along and would end up in the River Douglas, and those dead folk would end up being buried at sea, the Irish Sea

Replied: 8th Apr 2021 at 21:34

Posted by: GOLDEN BEAR (4153) 

Good photo that TTS , It's totally changed now that bottom section at the bottom is now for cremation only i have been told they will not put graves in there all you get now is ,you pick a spot and make a hole and put the ashes in it ,then as you come in the yard at the top on the left near the huge sycamore tree there is a large grave stone where people 's name can be put on if you are ever in there tommy first headstone after big tree is where my parents are lain ((Thomas & Elizabeth W. stay safe TTS. G.B.

Replied: 10th Apr 2021 at 16:11

Posted by: cindy (5921) 

Both My Parents Ashes are in the bottom row .

Replied: 11th Apr 2021 at 12:15

Posted by: DaveL (20)

A plan of St Paul's churchyard is on their website - along with the Burials Register:

Replied: 13th Apr 2021 at 17:16

Posted by: macwil48 (344)

Once again thank you.
I've just downloaded the plan & register pdfs from St Paul's site and now have the plot location and burial dates to complete my great grandparent's bios.

Replied: 14th Apr 2021 at 10:15

Posted by: GOLDEN BEAR (4153) 

DAVEL: I wonder if you have ever looked at the Castle Hill cemetary index?
I went on it and what i found very interesting was i was looking up my wife' relations and what i found was that in her parents grave someone had listed " all the occupants in that plot not only that but the dates they were born & died and where unlike my find at St Paul Goose Green i found the plot number but it was a lot more complicated ,it does show practically all who have been laid to rest from the start but has stopped in the recent years. for example i am trying to find my grandmother 's plot and all i can find is a rough place of where she should be i do think the authorities should and could do more ..

Replied: 14th Apr 2021 at 15:52

Posted by: DaveL (20)

GB - I'm not sure why 'the authorities' should and could do more. If you have the grave number, they will tell you all you need to know, if you ask them. If you mean they should put everything you want online - it's a matter of priorities... the 'authorities' have to pay for all sorts of things with increasingly restricted money. Is your need to know where your granny is buried more important than paying to look after someone's granny now? That's the choice 'the authorities' have to make. I know where I'd rather my money was spent.
In the meantime, 'the authorities' enabled the wonderful Freda Chorlton to access their files to create the online database we have for the Wigan Cemeteries. I'm sure they would be just as willing to allow anyone else to access the data to bring it up to date.

Replied: 22nd Apr 2021 at 19:41


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