What we need is..

Someone with a backbone..Spine...or a real set of Gonads to sort this flailing...spineless..woke..poor example of a country out. It's estimated 3.800 + OAP's (who are set in their ways) will perish this winter in fear of heating their homes...Is this England...the troops of WW1 and 2 are spinning in their graves to see what has become of their country..The MP's have their heating allowances paid for in their (2nd homes) which they have flipped in the past at ignorant profit...What delights await us in the October budget ?.. I am one of the lucky few who years ago sorted my finances for the future.. Nobody has given me or left me owt..there's an old Ince saying."If you didn't make owt in the 60's 70's..tha too lazy for carry it"..Stop the 157 Billion give away each year to backwards corrupt countries and their governments....REFORM is the answer...you will see... Rant over.,Thankyou..

Starmer is going for the bus passes and council tax discounts next.

LINK

I wonder whats next after that ?

£10 Christmas bonus?

Yes, that could be next.

Arseholes..the lot of em...how many of the labour Muppets who voted them in are still happy ? Not many.

I am, just glad to have got rid of tory scum!

A Labour spokesman on tele this morning said they were keeping the triple lock which he said would be £1700 in total for their first term in office,that’s five years.No doubt they will find some way to claw it back.

Spot on riocaroni,the bitter Bobby and is Tory cronies are trying to make out the country's gone to lot in the last 2 months since gently forgetting 14 years of Tory missmanegment, pathetic

HM.I was a union member from age sixteen till I retired,a shop steward and a member of the Labour Party.This is not the Labour Party I knew or wanted.I will agree that the Tory Party messed the country up big style but this lot to me are heading the same way.They knew what was coming and seem totally out of their depth.Starmer is not a good leader and has no charisma.

DOOM & GLOOM and all that ......

"Starmer refuses to rule out scrapping pensioners’ bus passes"

"Brace for £15bn tax grab on pensions"

"Labour ‘retirement tax’ to hit 300,000 more pensioners
Predicted £400 state pension rise will drag more retirees into tax-paying bracket"

"The three charts that prove pensioners are doomed under Labour"

"How Labour could take away your state pension"

Tonker
"Predicted £400 state pension rise will drag more retirees into tax-paying bracket"

Well, if you are getting a £400 rise in the state pension you will still be in pocket even after paying the 20% tax?

Innit!

you need reforming following farage the fraud . has,nt done a tap for clacton but making a packet for himself . typical tory public schoolboy .

Pitmon I'm still waiting for you to say which mine you work at? Why are you not willing to say? Could you be lying by saying you are a miner..

Whups

Farage has only been an MP a couple of months whereas Nandy has been a MP for years and done nothing for Wigan.

All because of people like yourself who would vote for a sheep if it was sporting a red rosette.

Even had the audacity to show her face at a Warriors game on Friday night and that was only by a invitation to open a digtal hub earlier, when previously she has only has ever bothered about the Latic's being in administration.

retep1949

Your comments are more or less exactly the same as myself and many other former Labour voters who have come to realised in recent years that Labour is no longer the Democratic Socialist party it used to be and is no longer the party for "working" people, only the workshy and immigrants living on the benefit system.

I see all the Leythers soon got shut of their Tory champion!

riocaroni

Most constituencies got rid of their Tory champions

It is very early days for the new administration, so I think you should give it two years before deciding on how good or bad the new government is, but what has surprised me in Wigan, on here and on other social media platforms, is how the normally rock solid, staunch, Labour supporting Wigan folk have turned against Kier Starmer, and properly turned against him, they hate him, it is unusual, Lisa Nandy's majority was down to just over 5000 in 2019 and Leigh turned Tory, and I am wondering what will happen in about four years time at the next general election, which is a long way off, but if Kier Starmer doesn't turn things around in those four years, and in view of the amount of votes that the Reform Party picked up at the last election, which has to be at a certain level to convert into parliamentary seats, and that is because of our electoral system, but next time Reform may make a breakthrough, and although I doubt they could win, Reform could have enough MP's to form the 'official' opposition in parliament.

"It is very early days for the new administration, so I think you should give it two years before deciding on how good or bad the new government is"

What new administration? What new government?

Tonker

I am using the same language, has the media and the government use.

BRAVO BILLINGE BIKER
COME JOIN ME IN GETTING THE COUNTRY A REPUBLIC ,THAT'LL GET RID OF ALL THE SPONGER'S , AND GREEDY HOUSE OF LORDS THEN MOVE TO DILUTE THE ROYALTY .
g.b.

ALL those O.A.P s jetting off to BENEDORM for several weeks during the winter time just slap a TAX on um , for when i was there you can't move for the poor O.A.Ps boozing in all the pubs ,and many boasting oh !!
"WE COME OVER HERE EVERY YEAR FOR A MONTH OR TWO """ I feel for the put upon pensioners ,,,do i????
g.b.

The income of UK pensioners varies from poor to well off. The poorer pensioners probably had jobs that were undervalued and underpaid thus depriving them of the opportunity to save for a private pension. I doubt that many of them would be in Benidorm for 1 or 2 months in winter although the cost of heating the home may get them a deal in Benidorm for less than the heating cost at home.

I don’t think a majority would fancy a President Blair in lieu of the Royal Family.

Well typed, Goldenbear And you are a pensioner.

I came out with a similar comment and people came down on me like a ton of bricks. I was only speaking the truth!

Gaffer.
From what I have seen and heard, its the well off pensioners whom also have a private pension, and savings, who are doing all the moaning about losing the heating allowance!

CC

Had the winter fuel allowance been adjusted for inflation it would be worth today. £200 would be £450 and £300 would be £680.

how about slapping a tax on those who are minted & pay no tax by sending their money out of the country ? .

still no proof . of this massive black hole,,and i refuse to just accept labour's word for it.hunt said the treasury was left in good condition,reeves said no it has not,but yet no party has expanded on that...show proof

tommy39

£9.6 billion of the black hole is for the recent public sector pay rises.

Black Hole

Gaffer.
I appreciate your figures about inflation, But what has that got to do with well off pensioners moaning about losing their winter fuel allowance?

If anyone is entitled to moan its the people that have had to wait until their 66th birthday to receive their state pension! So a woman has been deprived of six years of pension, and to add insult to injury, never recieved any heating allowance which they were entitled to if they retired at 60!
It should be means tested and given to those who genuinely need it.

CC

Women’s pension age went from 60 to 65 years in stages to equalise male and female pensions. All part of the equalities legislation. A court case for compensation for the women affected was lost.

Some women had no stages at all. If you were born in 1959 you retire at 66 that was it!
I totally wholeheartedly agree with women having to retire at the same age as men. Why should it be any different?

Why should MPs be any different Cheshire? We can't claim everything on expenses yet folk who are on 90 grand a year can can you explain why?

The worse thing to happen in the recent general election was one party getting a massive majority of MP's in the House of Commons even though the majority of the electorate did not vote for them or did not vote at all

The same thing happens every year in the local elections in Wigan where one party ends up with a massive majority of sixty odd of the 75 seats even though far less than 50% have voted for them or did not vote at all.

They called it democracy when in reality, it is a recipe which as time goes on leads to bad decisions and apathy!

Eggbeater.

They shouldn't be any different I agree with you.
But I suppose it comes with the job, perks so to speak.
I suppose its only like someone having a free company car and taking someone for a round of golf to talk business, then take them for a meal and a couple of bottles of wine and then claiming it back off the company as expenses!

Cheshire Puss

So when did yoo turn 65

CC

Company cars are not free these days, they’re classed as benefits in kind and taxed on the list price plus emissions.
When I got my first company car in 1976 it was free of tax as was the fuel. Company cars for other than essential users came into prominence with the introduction of the prices and incomes policy which curtailed wages and salaries. Key employees deserving of a pay rise were offered a company car to get round the restrictions arising from the prices and incomes policy.

I sometimes used to get expenses and allowances which were usually fixed with some leeway for incidentals.Our boss used to go through them and would question everything.He was one of the biggest abusers of the system and was sacked for fiddling his expenses.Were expenses are concerned some people will always fiddle them.

When I was at Parkside colliery I got "sent for" by Ronnie Silver (personnel officer) who said, "tha's gerrin' fifteen paaaaiind a wik travellin' expenses, an' tha' only lives in Ashtun' in Mackerfeilt, an' tha's drivin' raaaaaind in a bloody greyt jaguar car, bloody manager doesn't get that, so ah'hm gerrin' it stopped"!
As I turned to walk out, Chris Rafferty (assistant personnel officer) winked at me.
Needless to say, it didn't get stopped.

No wonder the pits were shut!

Posted by: gaffer (8158) [View gaffer's page]
CC
"Company cars are not free these days, they’re classed as benefits in kind"

They are free to the recipient. Also are the golf course jollys!

The company pay the expenses!

Cheshircat....I had to be in the works pension scheme which cost 6% of my wages for 30 years and in 1980 with 4 kids and only me working was a fair bit to lose. I'm one of the pensioners shouting about it but not on my behalf. Thankfully I can manage but many millions won't. Folk keep on, quite properly, about the cock ups of the Tories but it's Labour in power now with a majority to do what they want, and his first job is to attack pensioners who through the years have supported the party. For people on here to offer any defence for that is ludicrous. The party of the working class my arse.

Having a "free" company car can cost more than buying and running your own. They're expensively free!

it wont affect your life one bit & the other lot certainly wer,nt a party for the working classes it was the opposite .

CC

Gordon Brown set company car tax rates so that a company car cost the driver as much as if he had bought it.

Whoopsie, I presume your reply was meant for me and all you can say is the tories were the same, and you'll be right....But now try saying you think it's wrong that the so called party of the working man stops heating allowance, is on about stopping the 25% off council tax, stopping bus passes and lifting the cap on care. Who will this affect most....you defend Smarmy saying he's only been in power a short while but still manages to alienate and hurt the poorest.... because it won't affect my life one bit as you say, which in itself is a ridiculous statement doesn't mean I can't care about other people. It seems you're ok and are not bothered.....mi faither always said the biggest enemy of the working class....are the working class...you prove that.

Posted by: gaffer (8160) [View gaffer's page]
CC
"Gordon Brown set company car tax rates so that a company car cost the driver as much as if he had bought it."

Agree on that , Gaffer.
But, the company would renumerate the employee / driver for any "expenses" incurred. Well, thats how it worked from what I remember.
The employer would claim it back off the tax.
A lot like a self employed worker who can claim for tools, ladders, fuel etc on their tax return.
That is assuming they declare every job they do when they get cash in hand.

wrong again gaffer . you dont half jump the gun .

Whups

You haven’t a clue about company car taxation or most other subjects. Most of your comments are derogatory and the rest don’t make any sense.
My original comments on this topic were about the growth of non essential company cars when the prices and incomes policy was in being.
Non essential company cars are a perk. Essential company cars are an integral part of the job such as a sales rep.
OC said that company cars are free. Looking back through my P11D forms the cost of my last company car, updated for present day costs and tax rates is,

P11D list price. £53,800
CO2 201 grams per kilometre.
Benefit in kind £19,906

Annual BIK car tax payable in England at 40% £7962

The employer pays the road tax and a National Insurance contribution of £2,747.


The P11D form is submitted to HMRC every year for every employee and director who receives benefits in kind or expenses that the revenue classes as taxable.

Gaffer.
Company cars are "perks" of the job.
Depending on who your employer is, It is not included in your salary, it is a bonus paid for by your employer. It is an inderct financial benefit which basically is a top up to your annual salary, at no extra cost to yourself at the end of the fiscal / tax year.

That was my take on it, anyway.

CC

I don’t think you understand taxation. The BIK is added to your gross salary at the end of the financial year.

Starmer spent yesterday with his posh Tory racing faternity friends at the St Ledger meeting at Doncaster.

Hope he was as successful as I was backing the winner!

like i said you dont half jump the gun . who wants to be an oxford don wannabe anyway .

IF i was the chancellor i would ABOLISH the £10 so-called xams bonus , it is just outdated worth bugger all ,also that would help towards the tory black hole they left !!
g.b.

Whups

I’ll have a word with Ron to see if he can get someone to decipher your posts before publication.

why wots up with you ? . a know it all like you .

With all this technology, I wonder in there is an 'app' which would translate Whupsy talk into English

By Lisa Nandy
Published 17th Feb 2022, 09:29 BST
Updated 17th Feb 2022, 09:30 BST

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As with the rest of them first mate ..they talk shite...when in opposition they claw anything they can get their hands on...then....Tell LIES...Simple.

Can anyone tell what the difference is today between the Tories and New Labour?

I remember a few years ago,there being a Socialist Party, just called the Labour Party and delegates at its party conference singing a song called the Red Flag.

GB post proof of this so called black hole or keep it shut you blithering idiot! Why has liarber never shown any proof of this fabled black hole?

Does anyone remember Boris once or twice mentioning 350 million pound per week for the NHS, or oven ready deal for brexit. Where did they go?

Rio do you remember liarbor saying they wouldnt raise taxes?

it,s quite easy pointing the finger by the lying tory party when you,ve emptied the bank & made your already rich friends & hanger on,s richer then claim labour will have to put up taxes when you,ve emptied the bank is,nt it .

Whups can you explain to me why a bloke with a 10 million pound bank balance is accepting free clothes from somebody?

What will you say whups when liarbour take away your 25% single person council tax discount?

i suppose i,ll have to pay it .

Labour said they wouldn't change Income Tax, VAT & nat ins and they haven't. So what is your point?

So all the dyed in the wool liabour supporter on here support the loss of the heating allowance and removal of the care cap, plus possibly the removal of the bus pass and reduced council tax. If you do then as I have said before you're the biggest enemy the working class can have. I hated some of the things the tories did but this lot take the biscuit. They can give Ukraine £600 million to rebuild their infrastructure but nowt for his own pensioners....bloody disgraceful.

Years ago my mum who was Labour through and through said you could put a monkey in a boiler suit to stand for them and they would still vote Labour And then you have the lisping fast tracked female who had to be dumped on Wigan because she could not make the grade so pensioners suffer and illegals get rewarded what a great pile we live in

and dyed in the wool right wing tory,s dont want to open their eyes to wot the torys have done to this country .

Whups

If I was you and some of the others who come on here going on about the fourteen years of the Tories. I keep quiet until New Labour have been in power for at least a couple of years and then make any comment about what they have done better!

If they only carry on where the Tories left off or even prove to be worse then what we have seen so far in just ten weeks, you and the other die hards are going to end up with big eggs of your faces, especially as their track record when in government leaves a lot to be desired!

Whoopsie....Everybody knows the Tories cocked up lots of things whilst in power, but they don't need liabour supporters like you parroting on about it every time someone criticises your beloved leader. Does that give your beloved leader the right to do what he's done, is it a case of two wrongs make a right. Change the record it's boring.

Freaky

His narrow outlook and an inability to put anything into context leads him to post nothing but anti Tory rhetoric. He can’t factor into his thoughts the fact most of the free world economies are still feeling the debt effects of the 2008 financial crash and Covid. Further economic difficulties are arising from the conflicts in the Middle East and Ukraine.
The Tories fell down badly because the leaders liberal instincts led them to govern like New Labour. From John Major to Rishi Sunac there wasn’t a Tory between them, they were all of a liberal disposition. Defeat at the election was inevitable. Unfortunately there wasn’t an opposition that was ready to fill the void.
.

Tonker...tha couldn't pay me to have a do at that Gargoyle...I'd rather slam an hatch cover on it

Spot on gaffer...whoopsie must have gone to college to qualify for his thickness degree...

really because all you lot do is extol the whinging tory party & if you really think they cocked up a lot of things you dont show it especialy in your posts . talk about narrowed minds gaffer your the one who reads the times & spectator & come on here with your long winded berates & dodgy facts about the labour party . your the biggest parrot on here freaky because all you do is rabbit on about the same topic , THE LABOUR PARTY & it,s so called failings after only after only 2 months in the job & nothing about the last failings of the last 14 YEARS .

Whupsy

"Once upon a time there were four little Rabbits, and their names
were--

Flopsy,
Mopsy,
Cotton-tail,
and Peter.

They lived with their Mother in a sand-bank, underneath the root of a
very big fir-tree"

The closet Tories seemed to have forgot the last 14 years

Maybe they have, but older people will remember the seventies which resulted in Thatcher and then Major getting into power for a similar long period!

I will say it again,the true labour party died when John Smith died,there is now no difference between Labour and Tory,and up to now this lot are worse than the last lot.

and the country is ruined by them .

Handsome miner.....never voted Tory in my life and don't propose to start now. Liebour is now in charge.... and god help us.

are you sure your not eggbeater in disguise freeky ? .

Whupsy

"Once upon a time there were four little Wabbits, and their names
were--

Flopsy,
Mopsy,
Cotton-tail,
and Peter.

They lived with their Mother in a sand-bank, underneath the root of a
very big fir-tree"

Whoopsie, eggbeater has really got in your head hasn't he......you should come off here and take up knitting, it's so relaxing for you and will help.

not really your as petulant as he is .

Petulant.......mmmm...whoopsie it seems I am getting in your head now.......read my posts and show me where I'm petulant......you really should come off here and take up knitting.

I suspect whups would have difficulty in defining the word petulant.

you would,nt gaffer . i suspect you would have difficulty in saying something good about the labour party instead of your glorified exultation of your beloved tory party .

is freacky eggy in disguise ? .

Whups you assume too much. Have you ever lived through a day when you were pleasant and devoid of the nastiness which comes all too easily to you?

A REPLY TO TO THE THING THAT PRINTED THIS ;
" "KEEP IT SHUT YOU BLITHERING IDIOT""
The response i am giving you is for you to please refrain from calling and making inflammatory comments concerning myself . When i decide to comment i do try and not get into verbal diarrhoea with you ! For i have seen a very long time ago that one is flogging a dead horse when any discussion with you about ANY topic comes to light , i am not one for giving advice to other honourable members but in this instance i will make an exception and that's if you have nothing sensible to discuss then in your terminology ......"JUST SHUT UP!
G.B.

Whups....Am I freeky or freaky....and am I eggy or frecky....study the question then think about it for a day or two, decide the question is too hard, then take up knitting...

Blither ye not!

well you keep on a bout knitting freacky so you must be a knitter .

your full of assumptions gaffer with your false so-called facts .and yes everyday so maybe it,s this site that makes me this way & your contributions dont help .

Why is it that if say anything about Labour, it is assumed that you are a Tory!

Now both as bad as each other and I say that as someone who has never voted Tory, but now no longer votes Labour since Tory Tony and his cronies made Socialism a dirty word no longer to be mentioned!`

Whups

If the message board content is having an adverse effect on your mental well being then the site administrators have a duty of care to correct the situation. Perhaps they should make you inactive for a few months.
Incidentally I do get a personal Christmas card from a retired Labour MP and his good lady. Also one from a Wigan councillor and his wife. I don’t get any from any other political party or person involved in politics.

you dont care when you put your long winded so-called facts on slamming the NHS or the labour party . the torys have inflicted terrible policies on the public since they took power 14 yrs ago & you never said a word about them in the entire time they were in & you continue to do so . your pathetic in your quest to be a "glorified oxford don wannabe" & try to be something your definitely not & if your made inactive maybe there will be some truth on here . by the way it shows how pathetic your really are by trying to get admin to bar me off here & a YES MAN if ever i saw one. .

Whoopsie, mi mam used ter knit she always sed it relaxed her in mind and body......go on, be a devil...try it.

Whupsy

There is no shame in being a looney, in fact it can be a very rewarding experience, so embrace it and enjoy it, put it in your CV, it is another string to your bow

maybe you shud sign up in rampton then 1stroke .

Whupsy

No, No, I am thinking Ashworth, it is much more local

seems you,ve already tried it freecky .

Another way of spelling my name Whoopsie, you going for a full house.......try knitting it'll relax you....if mi mam said it did, then it does.

I can knit

try bingo freecky .