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General Election 2024

Started by: Tommy Two Stroke (15685)

It is looking highly likely that the election will be called on for a vote in October, and although it looks like it will be a Landslide victory for Labour, some experts are saying that it may be more of a close run thing than that, with some experts predicting that we may end up with Labour winning, but with a no overall majority of MP's in Parliament, leading to a 'Hung Parliament' like there was after the General Election of 2017, and if that happens it will be terrible, because nothing will get done in the country, it will just be nothing only squabbling in Parliament, worse squabbling than what there is here on Wigan World

I think a lot of it will depend on what will be in the Labour Party, Election Manifesto

Started: 6th May 2024 at 10:49

Posted by: Handsomeminer (2808)

Your probably right TTS another factor will be how this inept government try to buy votes

Replied: 6th May 2024 at 11:02

Posted by: Owd Codger (3255)

As Paul Daniels would say, "Not a lot"

Replied: 6th May 2024 at 11:09

Posted by: whups (13477) 

as been predicted a while ago 1stroke by me .

Replied: 6th May 2024 at 11:53

Posted by: riocaroni (685)

It will be an absolute landslide for Labour. This bunch who are in now must be the biggest load of liars ever to govern!

Replied: 6th May 2024 at 11:59

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (15685)

I always remember the General Election of 1992, the polls said that it was an easy win for Labour led by Neil Kinnock, after the Tories got rid of Margaret Thatcher and the supposed unpopularity of John Major, but the polls were wrong, and John Major won, albeit with a small majority which he lost as he lost byelection after byelection, and that was a dreary 5 years until Tony Blair won in the 1997 General Election.

Replied: 6th May 2024 at 14:39

Posted by: whups (13477) 

then came 97 & a landslide , just like this time .

Replied: 6th May 2024 at 15:34

Posted by: Owd Codger (3255)

Some of those calling the present Tory government have forgot that because of the election of Jeremy Corbyn as party leader, what was predicted to be a Labour victory ended up with a further five years of the Tories nd Boris Johnson.

If ever there was a case of election suricide, that was it

Replied: 6th May 2024 at 16:56

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (15685)

Owd Codger

What was predicted to be a Labour Victory ?

Replied: 6th May 2024 at 17:25

Posted by: Handsomeminer (2808)

and

Replied: 6th May 2024 at 17:27

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (15685)

Whupsy

Did you read all of me post ?

Replied: 6th May 2024 at 17:31

Posted by: Owd Codger (3255)

Tommy Two Stroke

The last general election AND a result which led to another extra five years for some on Wigan World to moan about the Tories.

Replied: 6th May 2024 at 20:51

Posted by: tonker (28137) 

Nothing will change. Tories, Labour, any of 'em. They're all weak against the Government (which is run by 'them men'!)

Replied: 6th May 2024 at 21:09

Posted by: Handsomeminer (2808)

The Tories should be worried even Captain Google and Corpral Codger have stopped trying to defend them

Replied: 6th May 2024 at 21:30

Posted by: tomplum (12734) 

You can predict the speech too,

I cannot undo the damage the tories did in a day, we have hard times ahead so. we will have to make unpopular chances Bla,,Bla Bla, then he'll give himself a raise before he increases tax and cuts services, same old same old bull muck but, At least Whupsie will be happy..

Replied: 6th May 2024 at 21:36

Posted by: tomplum (12734) 

(Comment removed because it broke the rules)

Replied: 6th May 2024 at 21:39

Posted by: Owd Codger (3255)

Handsomeminer

I have never in my life defended the Tories or their Governments, only pointing out that as a result of the Labour Party making a wrong decision in electing Jeremy Corbyn as its leader to fight the last general election, Labour voters like yourself have spent a extra five years moaning about them!

Replied: 6th May 2024 at 22:22

Posted by: Axcroft (242)

Yes, tomplum, and a book and then a Hollywood movie.
Riches galore.  And in later life, maybe a damehood.
Some will say that this is justice,

Replied: 6th May 2024 at 23:02

Posted by: whups (13477) 

yes todger & you moan ALL the time .

Replied: 6th May 2024 at 23:46

Posted by: Owd Codger (3255)

Whups

You do enough yourself with the constant moaning about the NHS becoming privatised.

Replied: 7th May 2024 at 08:01
Last edited by Owd Codger: 7th May 2024 at 08:21:17

Posted by: Handsomeminer (2808)

OC you probably don't know your doing it

Replied: 7th May 2024 at 11:10

Posted by: whups (13477) 

which is a fact todger . so do YOU want a privitised NHS ? .

Replied: 7th May 2024 at 11:12

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (15685)

Whupsy

I couldn't care less if any NHS treatment I have done, is done by the private sector or the NHS, has long as I don't have to pay for it

Replied: 7th May 2024 at 11:27

Posted by: Owd Codger (3255)

Tommy Two Stroke

Exactly what I asked him a short while ago, would he reject any neccessary medical treatment offered by the NHS at a private facility, but never got a reply.

The same question also applies to the other side of the double act!

Replied: 7th May 2024 at 12:46

Posted by: Stardelta (11971)

"Exactly what I asked him......................... but never got a reply"


I know exactly what you mean Todge!

Replied: 7th May 2024 at 12:51

Posted by: grimshaw (4020) 

S D..

Replied: 7th May 2024 at 13:50

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (15685)

So what would you posters like to see in the Labour Party manifesto ?

Replied: 7th May 2024 at 13:58

Posted by: bentlegs (5330)

Refused read owt about pòlstics

Replied: 7th May 2024 at 20:24

Posted by: whups (13477) 

which you will under a tory regime who,s sole intention is to privitise it & everything else along with it . just wait until you need treatment & have to pay for it .

Replied: 8th May 2024 at 00:02

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (15685)

Whupsy

What would yoo like to see in the Labour Party manifesto ?

Replied: 8th May 2024 at 11:53

Posted by: gaffer (7999) 

The NHS is free at the point of use. However, somebody has to pay for it and that’s the taxpayer. It works out at approximately £3,000 per person per year in England.
Before a general election each political party produces a manifesto to state what they intend to do or not to do if elected. If a manifesto stated that they are intended to privatise the NHS it would effectively consign them to oblivion.
It looks like Wes Streeting, the likely Labour Secretary of State for health, will look at alternative methods of funding the NHS and, if Labour secure a second term, will probably bring in a model similar to the Australian system.

Replied: 8th May 2024 at 13:31

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (15685)

I suppose that will mean that Whupsy will be going around looking for Kangaroo's, so he can give them a good kicking

Replied: 8th May 2024 at 14:42

Posted by: whups (13477) 

plenty of kangaroos in this tory party & the kangaroo court they use such as atos who dance to their tune . i would like to see the kicking out of private companies & the use of agency nurses in the NHS . also i would like then to right a terrible wrong & kick out the private companies like atos & the rest who do these terrible medical assessments & take it back to the NHS .

Replied: 8th May 2024 at 15:13

Posted by: gaffer (7999) 

Whups

That would mean kicking out the GPs and their staff including your surgery. You would have to pay an admin fee to get a prescription to take to the chemist or go for a blood test. It would probably cost you £50 or more for a doctors appointment. Those in work would get a rebate on the NI contribution, no such luck for the pensioners .

If a ward manager is short of nurses, because of staff off sick, to run the ward(s) safely what do they do if they can’t use agency nurses?

Replied: 8th May 2024 at 15:30

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (15685)

Whupsy

I agree about Atos and the medical assessments, which were designed in such a way that just about everyone failed to meet the criteria to be judged not fit to work, but I thought that they had terminated Atos's contract to do assessments years ago, but as regards stopping the use of private companies and agency nurses in the NHS then if they did that, no one would end up being treated.

So if Labour bring in the Australian system of NHS, will yoo be going fighting Kangaroo's LINK

Replied: 8th May 2024 at 15:35

Posted by: whups (13477) 

we cant get a doctors appointment now so there,s no difference to me . hire more nurses instead of getting rid of them & trying to run the nhs as a business instead of looking after people . all this admin fee is coming under a tory government anyway it,s all part of their privitisation plan . there you go gaffer "ward manager" there shud be no such thing as it was always run by the matron . and why would it mean kicking out gps as they work for the nhs . woe betide if the tories get their way we are already back to a victorian age & we will go back even further with this lot running the country .

Replied: 8th May 2024 at 15:50

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (15685)

And here's me thinking that they are taking on 'more' nurses, and to stop losing doctors to the USA and Australia, then just pay them more.

Replied: 8th May 2024 at 16:09

Posted by: tonker (28137) 

Nowadays, GPs only give prescriptions and refer patients to specialists. A nurse can do that, so they replace general practitioners as they cost less.
Three 'advanced nursing practitioners' and one Dr. makes a cheaper team than 4 Drs. and they do the same job.
I've had two appointments in the last six months, never seen a Dr., just an advanced nursing practitioner.
I have just as much confidence in the St John's Ambulance Brigade now, after being prescribed the wrong drugs twice by staff at both Leigh and Wigan hospitals. First one made me really ill and secong one 'could' have killed me, had I taken them before discovering they were not to be taken together as they can cause heart failure!
Sometimes, a pharmacist (chemist to the not so breet) is a better option.

Replied: 8th May 2024 at 16:41

Posted by: gaffer (7999) 

Whups

GPs are not employed by the NHS. They have a contract to provide GP services just as Branson does. When they had matrons on the wards nurses didn’t have to have a university degree. Work on the wards is scientifically more complex these days. The title matron still exists but it’s used more for business managers these days.
One GP who has a practice in Ashton owns 40 surgeries across the north west with over 150,000 patients.He also owns a large diagnostics centre which undertakes NHS and private work.I’ve known him for a long time, was a guest at his wedding, it was obvious that from a young age he was going to build a substantial business within the NHS.

Replied: 8th May 2024 at 16:46

Posted by: Handsomeminer (2808)

It must be very frustrating being a nobody with all those high flying friends

Replied: 8th May 2024 at 21:12

Posted by: tonker (28137) 

"GPs are not employed by the NHS. They have a contract to provide GP services ...."

".... it was obvious that from a young age he was going to build a substantial business within the NHS."

Gaffer, if they are not employed by the NHS, surely, their business is outside of the NHS ?

Replied: 8th May 2024 at 21:16

Posted by: whups (13477) 

he,ll do anything to try & prove he,s right & twist it in his favour .

Replied: 8th May 2024 at 23:34

Posted by: Owd Codger (3255)

GP's are contracted into the NHS to provide free NHS treatment, but if a person wants private treatment they can request it and pay the GP like it was before the NHS was founded in 1948.

The only GP'S at a Practice who are paid a salary by the NHS are those who are not a partner of a Practice and Locum Doctors who stand in for GP'S when they are on holiday etc.

Dental Practicies are Private and contracted out of NHS, but most give NHS treatment for which you have to fill in a form and pay one of three charges which the Dentist reclaims from the NHS, but like the GP's can on request be given private treatment and pay the charges of the Dentist.

Another difference of the contacting in or out are shownd by most GP Practices being in modern buildings like Health Centres, Clinics etc which are accessible by the disabled while most Dental Practices are in older properties which are not very accessible for the disabled.



Replied: 9th May 2024 at 07:04
Last edited by Owd Codger: 9th May 2024 at 10:55:30

Posted by: gaffer (7999) 

Tonker,

It goes back to the period of negotiations that led up to the creation of the NHS in 1948.
Aneurin Bevan wanted general practitioners to be part of the soon to be NHS. However, the GPs wouldn’t accept themselves being salaried employees of the state. After months of negotiations a compromise was agreed. They would work for the NHS but as Independent Contractors rather than employees.
In the same vein the hospital doctors wouldn’t sign up for the NHS unless they could carry out private work. Hence Bevan’s famous quotation ‘I stuffed the doctor’s mouths with gold in order to create the NHS’

Replied: 9th May 2024 at 09:44
Last edited by gaffer: 9th May 2024 at 09:46:38

Posted by: Owd Codger (3255)

gaffer

Thank you for confirming more or less what I said about the difference between GP and Dental Practices!

Replied: 9th May 2024 at 09:56
Last edited by Owd Codger: 9th May 2024 at 10:58:09

Posted by: whups (13477) 

so if they are contracted out it means they work for the NHS . and since 1948 the torys have been trying to get rid of the NHS & thats a fact to .

Replied: 9th May 2024 at 10:36

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (15685)

This is just playing around with words, if a man gets all of his work from the NHS, you can call it what you like, but it is what it is.

Owd Codger

Gaffer used to be the CEO of the Wigan Hospitals Trust, there again I am not sure what it is called now, Wigan, Wrightington and Leigh Trust or something, and I am not sure of what his job title was, but he was head honcho, boss, main mon, gaffer, that is why he is called Gaffer, so I would imagine he knows more about the NHS than all of the rest of us put together

Now calm down Tonker

Replied: 9th May 2024 at 10:59

Posted by: Owd Codger (3255)

Tommy Two Stoke


It is called the Wrightington, Wigan & Leigh NHS Foundation Trust on its website, but the Wrightington, Wigan & Leigh NHS Leaning Hospitals Trust on the Hospital signs.

Wish they would make their minds up!

Replied: 9th May 2024 at 12:07
Last edited by Owd Codger: 9th May 2024 at 12:17:02

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (15685)

Well aye, but to most it's t'Hosspital

Replied: 9th May 2024 at 13:19

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (15685)

......

Replied: 9th May 2024 at 13:22
Last edited by Tommy Two Stroke: 9th May 2024 at 13:24:41

Posted by: gaffer (7999) 

OC

Since becoming a Foundation Trust it has acquired Teaching Hospital status. It’s official title is Wrightington,Wigan and Leigh Teaching Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust.

Replied: 9th May 2024 at 14:38

Posted by: Owd Codger (3255)

Gaffer,

Why then are there two websites, one just saying WWL NHS Foundation Trust and the the other WWL NHS Teaching Hospitals NHS FoundationTrust.

Why not have just simply named it Wigan Hospitals NHS Trust in the first place and stop the nonsense of changing names and wasting taxpayers money on changing websites and printing new paper letter headings every time the name is changed.

No wonder the NHS is losing money!

Replied: 9th May 2024 at 15:41
Last edited by Owd Codger: 9th May 2024 at 15:45:49

Posted by: Stardelta (11971)

Had too many of the old grumpy pills again today eh Todge?

As for the NHS losing money, all I can say is I had no idea its purpose WAS to generate money.

Replied: 9th May 2024 at 17:12
Last edited by Stardelta: 9th May 2024 at 17:15:24

Posted by: tonker (28137) 

I thought Gaffer was a non executive director, not CEO. (not that it matters to me, laaaaike, I'm just correcting TTS)

It couldn't be named 'Wigan Hospitals NHS Trust' because it covers hospitals which aren't in Wigan.
Simple!
On top of that, it's swapped and changed for different reasons, some of which are to benefit those who run the show. For instance, the board of directors of the Wrightington, Wigan & Leigh NHS Foundation Trust reputedly awarded themselves nearly £2 million in fees recently.
Gaffer will know a bit about that one.
Also, a while ago, the story goes that they tried to open a Vat-registered sub-company in order to enable them to claim paid Vat back, something which they can't do as a Vat exempt company.
I read they got themselves into a bit of bother with that one. (a muslim trick, if ever I saw one) (but the difference is, the muslims seem to be allowed to do it!)

PS: before you start, I'm not having a sly go at Gaffer!

PPS: This is off Wikipedia (not a reliable source, but there we go..)

In the financial year 2017–18, the Trust had fifteen remunerated directors, at a total cost ranging from £1.56 million to £1.63 million.

Director Position-Total Remuneration (£)
Robert Armstrong - Chairman - 45,000 - 50,000
Andrew Foster - Chief Executive - 235,000 - 240,000
Sanjay Arya - Medical Director - 310,000 - 315,000
Alison Balson - Director of Workforce - 145,000 - 150,000
Neil Campbell - Non-Executive Director - 10,000 - 15,000
Mary Fleming - Director of Operations and Performance - 170,000 - 175,000
Robert Forster- Director of Finance and Informatics - 240,000 - 245,000
Mick Guymer - Non-Executive Director - 10,000 - 15,000
Carole Hudson - Non-Executive Director - 15,000 - 20,000
Pauline Law - Director of Nursing - 175,000 - 180,000
Jon Lloyd Non-Executive Director 10,000 - 15,000
Richard Mundon - Director of Strategy and Planning - 150,000 - 155,000
Christine Parker-Stubbs - Non-Executive Director - 15,000 - 20,000
Neil Turner - Non-Executive Director - 15,000 - 20,000
Tony Warne - Non-Executive Director - 10,000 - 15,000
Whups - Non-Executive Shouter - 1/6d - 2/6d

Neil Turner, eh.. Them MPs'll get where water can't!

Replied: 9th May 2024 at 17:29
Last edited by tonker: 9th May 2024 at 18:00:20

Posted by: Owd Codger (3255)

tonker

Good point about hospitals not being in Wigan like Wrightington!

As for the figures quoted, multiply it by all the other trusts and there you have a national scandal.

Generating money my backside, more like robbing the public!

Replied: 9th May 2024 at 18:00

Posted by: tonker (28137) 

And Leigh!

Replied: 9th May 2024 at 18:01

Posted by: gaffer (7999) 

OC

There’s an employer contribution to pension of 21% to add to the above executive salaries. That’s an extra £65,000 for the medical director.

Replied: 9th May 2024 at 19:00

Posted by: Owd Codger (3255)

tonker

Perhaps then, Wigan & District Hospitals NHS Trust to keep you happy!

Replied: 9th May 2024 at 19:07
Last edited by Owd Codger: 9th May 2024 at 19:08:14

Posted by: tonker (28137) 

What keeps me happy is folk saying the correct thing.

Wrightington Hospital is not in the Wigan "district".

The 'correct' title is "Wrightington, Wigan and Leigh Teaching Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust" (as already stated by Gaffer).

It's called that because it's to do with the management of the three stated hospitals. One in Wrightington, one in Wigan and one in Leigh.
Nothing to do with Wrightington, Wigan or Leigh (the places or the council or the postcode), only the hospitals. See!

Owd Codger, there are said to be 215 nhs/hospital trusts in the UK. That's about £400 million, at least, paid to the management alone, not including those who actually do any work treating the sick and injured!

Replied: 9th May 2024 at 19:35
Last edited by tonker: 9th May 2024 at 19:45:06

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (15685)

But Wrightington Hospital used to be in the Wigan Rural District.

Replied: 9th May 2024 at 21:43

Posted by: tonker (28137) 

Wigan "used to be" in Newton le Willows and both "used to be" in Lancashire, but they're not anymore. Wigan is "still" in Liverpool diocese.

Replied: 9th May 2024 at 22:41

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (15685)

AND Wigan used to be European Parliamentary Constituency of 'Merseyside East' they turned us into scousers, so it's no wonder that in the referendum, Wigan voted 'heavily' in favour of us leaving the EU

Replied: 10th May 2024 at 09:38

Posted by: tonker (28137) 

Wigan council were desperate to be included in the Liverpool City Region!

Replied: 10th May 2024 at 10:20

Posted by: whups (13477) 

i,m sure he,s been prime minister too as being everything else . wot a fantasist .

Replied: 10th May 2024 at 11:04

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (15685)

Whupsy

Would Arthur Scargill make a good Prime Minister ?

Replied: 10th May 2024 at 12:14

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (15685)

And Whupsy, why did yoo not like Joe Gormley ?

Replied: 10th May 2024 at 12:14

Posted by: Handsomeminer (2808)

Far better than the rubbish that's been in charge over the last 14 years ,mind you the bars set very low just look at the mess this inept bunch of Tory spiv s have made of this country

Replied: 10th May 2024 at 13:54

Posted by: whups (13477) 

who says i dont like gormley ? . it,s yoo who dont like miners , isnt it .

Replied: 10th May 2024 at 15:05

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (15685)

Whupsy

No, No, No and I have said this before, and that is that I have nothing against miners, I have known a few of them in my time, but I don't like Arthur Scargill, because he used the miners for political reasons to try and oust Margaret Thatcher from power, emulating what had happened after the miners strike in 1974 which had led to the downfall of the Heath government.

Replied: 10th May 2024 at 16:17

Posted by: whups (13477) 

1stroke HE DID,NT USE MINERS FOR POLITICAL REASONS as we knew years before that it was her intention to shut every mine down irrespective if they had years of coal left in them purely on a bigoted opinion on her part & a grudge held from 1974. it,s in here memoirs that on the very 1st day of her office she wanted to shut the pits down & was talked out of it by willie whitelaw & dont forget that it was HER & HER GOVERNMENT that instigated that strike in the 1st place . so get that into your stupid head .

Replied: 10th May 2024 at 23:44

Posted by: tonker (28137) 

Whups, it wasn't Thatcher's government, it was her parliament. The government is the Monarch's.

Parliament is not Government and vice-versa.

Replied: 11th May 2024 at 00:43

Posted by: whups (13477) 

wotever tonker we know wots wot .

Replied: 11th May 2024 at 01:13

Posted by: Owd Codger (3255)

Whups,

It was the impression that the Tory Government got over to the general public by their cronies in the national media that Scargill and his leadership were more interested in bringing down the government as what were in preventing pit closures and also not holding a democratic national ballot that did the damage in lack of support from the general public and even the leadership of the Labour Party.

The latter being one of the many reason's why my Wife and I no longer vote Labour as it is no longer the party it used to be in the past and now as bad as the Tories in looking after number one!

Being from mining families ourselves, my Wife and I who fully supported the strike with donations, toys etc but had enough sense to realised that the moment the Tories got it across to the general public that it was a political strike to bring down the elected government, the miners were fighting a losing battle!

p.s. And before you say it, neither of us have ever voted Tory, be it in the past, present and the future.



Replied: 11th May 2024 at 07:00
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Posted by: gaffer (7999) 

Alf Robens a former Labour minister, tipped to become Labour PM had he stayed in politics chronicled his ten years as NCB chairman. He explains in the extract below how the 1967 Labour Fuel Policy White Paper would entail the number miners falling from 360,000 in 1967 to 65,000 in 1980. This was 12 years before Mrs. Thatcher became PM.



Replied: 11th May 2024 at 11:14
Last edited by gaffer: 11th May 2024 at 11:16:26

Posted by: whups (13477) 

yet more claptrap from the usual suspects browbeating miners on behalf of their beloved tory party . tell us gaffer how much coal is there now under tory rule ? .

Replied: 11th May 2024 at 13:50

Posted by: Owd Codger (3255)

Whups, I was not browbeating the miners on behalf of the Tory Party as you seemed to think, only the person who led them into hardship and acheived nothing as the mines still closed while he retired to his luxary residence near Barnsley on his big pension.

Only glad that he never led me into a battle!

Replied: 11th May 2024 at 23:07

Posted by: whups (13477) 

listen todger every miner knew wot was coming as soon as thatcher got in & it was just a matter of time when she implemented it . you would have run a mile if you had to put up a fight & nobody achieves anything if they lose do they . how much did thatcher get of a pension for wrecking the manufacturing , steel & coal industries . how come you never mention them ? .

Replied: 11th May 2024 at 23:41

Posted by: Owd Codger (3255)

whups

I have never defended Thatcher who did a lot of harm to working class families in the industries you have mentiond, but it's time that you faced up the fact that Scargill was hardly a Momtgomery where tactics were concerned in fighting a battle against the Tories.

Oh, and for the record, during the postal strike of 1971, my wife and I who had only just got married were living for seven weeks on the bread line and I was also on the picket lines at night after work at Winnick Quay during the Eddie Shah Printing dispute as well as many other disputes, so never accuse me of never having the will to fight the Tories!


Replied: 12th May 2024 at 00:33
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Posted by: whups (13477) 

so how long did it last ? . you always seem to side with the torys or are you just doing it to have a go at me .

Replied: 12th May 2024 at 01:11

Posted by: Handsomeminer (2808)

More Tory propaganda from captain Google I notice he never says anything positive about the Tories inept performance over the last 14years ,I wonder why

Replied: 12th May 2024 at 08:46

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (15685)

Speculation is rife, because there is something going on in Westminster, something BIG !!!!

LINK

LINK

LINK



Is this IT, is a General Election about to be called

Replied: 22nd May 2024 at 14:13
Last edited by Tommy Two Stroke: 22nd May 2024 at 15:05:37

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (15685)

Well Rishi Sunak is making an announcement at 5pm

Whupsy & Handsomeminer are starting to get excited, because those terrible Tories will soon be gone

Replied: 22nd May 2024 at 16:56

Posted by: First Mate (2475)

4th July election date

Replied: 22nd May 2024 at 17:19

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (15685)

Replied: 22nd May 2024 at 17:44

Posted by: Handsomeminer (2808)

Hope so TTS but far from certain

Replied: 22nd May 2024 at 21:34

Posted by: whups (13477) 

yes they will & roll on july 4th .

Replied: 22nd May 2024 at 23:43

Posted by: Owd Codger (3255)

Tommy Two Stroke

But will they be making any postings in the future calling the possible new government rotten etc if things continue to be carried on in the same way as they are now and promises made pre election are not carried out?

Perhaps the time has come for a real special date in our country like the American Independance date of July 4th to celebrate a revoution in getting rid of the present two failed party state who in recent years have shown they are both as bad as each other when in government!

Replied: 23rd May 2024 at 07:04

Posted by: retep1949 (1234)

And the the empty promises and political claptrap starts.

Replied: 23rd May 2024 at 09:26

Posted by: Handsomeminer (2808)

OC your getting confused again Labour has had nothing to do with the ruination of this country over the last 15 years it's all down to you and your mate gaffer inept dishonest Tory government

Replied: 23rd May 2024 at 10:00

Posted by: eggbeater (3072)

Labour had something to do with sending soldiers to their death over a barefaced lie!! Go on pitmon deny it I dare you!

Replied: 23rd May 2024 at 12:18

Posted by: Handsomeminer (2808)

A bit like Thatcher Falklands escape

Replied: 23rd May 2024 at 12:34

Posted by: eggbeater (3072)

Maggie was fighting for people who wanted to remain British!! .not suck up to bush!!I see youve not not condemned B LIAR, hang your head in shame

Replied: 23rd May 2024 at 14:39
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Posted by: whups (13477) 

just like you flipperhead to get it wrong . 1st blair was lied to then 650 MPs voted on that war & it was them who sent us to iraq . get your facts right whippetyed .

Replied: 23rd May 2024 at 15:43

Posted by: Owd Codger (3255)

Hansomminer

You need to think more logical instead of just spouting out the same bile about 15 year of the Tories as many were around when things were just as bad in the seventies under the Callaghan government.

And I say that as someone who voted Labour at the time

Replied: 24th May 2024 at 07:34

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (15685)

Tonight's 'Question Time' on BBC 1 at 8.00pm should be good, because on the panel is schools minister Damian Hinds from the Conservatives, Wes Streeting, who is Labour’s shadow health secretary, Reform UK’s honorary president and founder Nigel Farage, Rose Hudson-Wilkin, who is the bishop of Dover, and the TV presenter and former newspaper editor Piers Morgan.

LINK

It will be worth watching just for the spat between Nigel Farage and Piers Morgan,, because the networks had them on at the same time in the 7.00pm slot, Nigel Farage on GB News and Piers Morgan on Talk TV and Nigel Farage got far more viewers than Piers Morgan, and now Talk TV is only available online, it has ceased broadcasting on the main Freeview terrestrial network, you can still get it on Freeview if your TV has Freeview Play which uses an internet connection.

I think that the left wing biased news organisations, such has the BBC are giving a lot of air time to Farage at the monment, in order to split the Tory vote between Reform and the Conservatives, which will give Labour a bigger majority, and also because Sunak and Starmer are so boring, Farage livens things up a bit.

Replied: 30th May 2024 at 10:36

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (15685)

Nigel Farage has decided to stand in the General Election LINK

Replied: 4th Jun 2024 at 14:22

Posted by: whups (13477) 

yet another failed chance to be an MP . hahaha

Replied: 4th Jun 2024 at 15:14

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (15685)

Well they think that with the state of the Tory Party now, because it is so unpopular, if he stands for election in Clacton, he might get elected and it is now about competing with the Tories and LibDems as to who could be the best 'opposition' in Parliament, I mean the election is already won, because Labour have won it, so Reform are going hell for leather at the Tories, because they want to destroy them.

But last week on Question Time, in the discussion about the NHS and Nigel Farage said that he thought that a different type of funding model was needed for the NHS, which included those who can pay opting for a private insurance plan, where they would get preferential treatment from the NHS, (queue jumping) because they can pay for it, and the only people who could get free NHS care, are people who cannot afford to pay for it

Replied: 4th Jun 2024 at 16:00

Posted by: gaffer (7999) 

Perhaps Nigel Farage is hoping history may repeat itself. When the Reform Party in Canada took over the Conservative Party it's leader finished up as Canada's PM for ten years.

Replied: 4th Jun 2024 at 19:04

Posted by: Handsomeminer (2808)

More crap OC and still no answer to my question ,why not?

Replied: 4th Jun 2024 at 19:19

Posted by: whups (13477) 

wot have i been telling you for years 1stroke .

Replied: 4th Jun 2024 at 23:33

Posted by: Owd Codger (3255)

Handsomeminer,


Likewise, I am still waiting on another topic for you to say what improvements you would make in Garswood for the people living there.

Why not!

Replied: 5th Jun 2024 at 07:39

Posted by: Owd Codger (3255)

The Bishop of Dover succeeded in showing herself up as a very ignorant person in the way that she constantly interuping Farage when he was speaking.

Even if she diid not agreed with his opinions, he was entitled to express them.!

Sadly, this has become a regular feature of Question Time as Fiona Bruce allows panelists to do it!

Replied: 5th Jun 2024 at 10:10

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (15685)

I think the BBC must think that Labour will keep the TV Licence system, and allow them to put the price up, thus increasing the BBC revenues, the Conservatives are minded to abolish the TV Licence, and that is why the BBC have such a left wing bias, which I find nauseating.

Replied: 5th Jun 2024 at 11:24

Posted by: whups (13477) 

wot i find "nauseating" is your hero worship of farage .

Replied: 5th Jun 2024 at 11:54

Posted by: Handsomeminer (2808)

OC as I said previously I would improve garswood (and the rest of of the country ) by getting rid of this inept Tory government now is that clear enough get matron to explain it to you now are you going to answer my question (hahaha)

Replied: 5th Jun 2024 at 14:09

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (15685)

When I was last in Garswood it looked alright to me

Replied: 5th Jun 2024 at 14:13

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (15685)

Whupsy

"wot i find "nauseating" is your hero worship of farage"

I don't get what your 'big beef' with Farage is about, why don't you like him ?

Replied: 5th Jun 2024 at 14:18

Posted by: whups (13477) 

why do YOU .

Replied: 5th Jun 2024 at 23:34

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (15685)

Yes I doo

Replied: 5th Jun 2024 at 23:53

Posted by: whups (13477) 

well i dont . dont like his politics , dont like his lying attitude & i dont like him . even if he,s the only one who likes the sound of his own voice .

Replied: 6th Jun 2024 at 00:55

Posted by: Owd Codger (3255)

Handsomeminer

What's the Tory government got to do with improving Garswood, surely that should be the job of the Labour Council.

And what is your quesation?

Replied: 6th Jun 2024 at 08:20

Posted by: whups (13477) 

maybe the squeezing of peoples money , the withdrawal of funds from the council .

Replied: 6th Jun 2024 at 11:39

Posted by: gaffer (7999) 

Garswood is one of the multitude of unintended consequences of the 1974 Local Government Reorganisation Act. The centres of the ‘new’ Metropolitan Authorities have taken too big a slice of the available funding at the expense of the outlying districts.

Replied: 6th Jun 2024 at 12:44

Posted by: whups (13477) 

how would you know gaffer ? . with more so called "facts" by your lying beloved tory party getting it wrong on tax , AGAIN .

Replied: 6th Jun 2024 at 12:50

Posted by: gaffer (7999) 

Whups have you ever had a day off from being nasty and ignorant? You’re an uncouth lout and should be banned from public discourse.

Replied: 6th Jun 2024 at 13:58

Posted by: tonker (28137) 

Whups, what Gaffer said is absolutely true. But, I thought Garswood is in a Parish, which should be its saving grace?

I still think Ashton in Makerfield should have a Town Council !

Replied: 6th Jun 2024 at 14:04

Posted by: Handsomeminer (2808)

OC do you really not understand that local councils have one hand tied behind their back because of funding g cuts by this inept Tory government my question is the same one I've asked half a dozen times get matron to explain it to you

Replied: 6th Jun 2024 at 21:59

Posted by: whups (13477) 

dont think garswood is in the parish . just downall gr.

Replied: 6th Jun 2024 at 23:36

Posted by: Owd Codger (3255)

Handsomeminer and Whups

That maybe so in in regard to the present Government's central funding, but how is that other local Labour controlled Councils and Labour MP's can get more things done than what they can in Wigan.

Perhaps having a massive majority of Councillors and and MP's also with massive majories and not having to fight to keep control of a Council and a Constiuency might have something to do with it!

A fact which will never change in Wigan, even under a Labour Government!

p.s. and coming out with stupid comments about matrons only shows the level of your interlect!

Replied: 7th Jun 2024 at 07:29
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Posted by: Handsomeminer (2808)

OC still no answer to my question from the closet Tory just more opinion confused with facts

Replied: 7th Jun 2024 at 10:24

Posted by: tonker (28137) 

Whups, “Garswood is a village in the Metropolitan Borough of St. Helens, Merseyside, England. The village is within the civil parish of Seneley Green.”

Replied: 7th Jun 2024 at 11:10

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (15685)

I don't know what all of the fuss is regarding Garswood

Replied: 7th Jun 2024 at 15:03

Posted by: Owd Codger (3255)

Handsomeminer

When are you going to get it into your head that I am not a Tory.

Just one of the many disenchantised voters who now see no difference between the Tory and Labour parties and want to see a major change away from both failed parties!


Replied: 7th Jun 2024 at 20:47
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Posted by: whups (13477) 

todger there,s not only labour councils going bankrupt . the tory ones are too & it,s ever since 2010 . i wonder why that is ? .

Replied: 7th Jun 2024 at 23:36

Posted by: Handsomeminer (2808)

Still no answer OC

Replied: 8th Jun 2024 at 08:58

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (15685)

Whupsy, I am not a Tory.
Whupsy, I am not a Tory.
Whupsy, I am not a Tory.
Whupsy, I am not a Tory.
Whupsy, I am not a Tory.
Tory, I am not a Whupsy.
Whupsy, I am not a Tory.
Whupsy, I am not a Tory.
Tory, I am not a Whupsy.
Tory, I am not a Whupsy.
Whupsy, I am not a Tory.






Replied: 8th Jun 2024 at 12:53

Posted by: tonker (28137) 

Whups, it’s impossible for a local council to go bankrupt.

Replied: 8th Jun 2024 at 19:14

Posted by: Billinge Biker (2414) 

My own personal view...REFORM...Love him or hate him...remember Brexit ?...it won't happen ,..T'others. wouldn't Pee on em if they were afire

Replied: 8th Jun 2024 at 21:11

Posted by: whups (13477) 

really try telling that to st helens council who have been forced to privitise virtually everything .

Replied: 8th Jun 2024 at 23:40

Posted by: peter israel (2157) 

Replied: 9th Jun 2024 at 06:46

Posted by: Owd Codger (3255)

The comments of people in Ashton show a lot of discontenment with polticians in general!

A feeling which no doubt not only applies to Ashton, but the country in general that nothing will change, irrespective of which party gets into power!

Replied: 9th Jun 2024 at 10:08
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Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (15685)

Ashton in Makerfield

A town with a wall down the middle of it ........

Replied: 9th Jun 2024 at 10:37

Posted by: whups (13477) 

where,s the wall ? .

Replied: 9th Jun 2024 at 11:47

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (15685)

Whupsy said:

"where,s the wall ? ."


It runs down the middle of Gerard Street, from the junction with Warrington Road/Liverpool Road and Bryn Street to the junction with Wigan Road and Bolton Road

Replied: 9th Jun 2024 at 13:41

Posted by: whups (13477) 

there,s no wall there . your talking about the boundry which is near the grammar school . none in the centere at all .

Replied: 9th Jun 2024 at 23:51

Posted by: gaffer (7999) 

Another take on a Chinese wall.

Replied: 10th Jun 2024 at 11:41

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (15685)

Well I am not sure about that Gaffer, but I am referring to the fact that for most of the day, the traffic in Gerard Street is jammed up, and sometimes the jams continue up Bolton Road and Wigan Road, and if you need to drive to the other side of Ashton Town Centre, you have to get through that 'wall' and you don't mind doing it once or twice a day, but if every journey requires sometimes a two way fight through the wall, then that can seriously impact your quality of life.

Replied: 10th Jun 2024 at 12:24

Posted by: peter israel (2157) 

Interesting.... I am watching Politics live Question by Jo Coburn is the labor party really now just the conservative party with the same policies......

Replied: 10th Jun 2024 at 12:47

Posted by: whups (13477) 

no wall in gerard st .

Replied: 10th Jun 2024 at 12:51

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (15685)

Oh,,,,, but there is Whupsy, and it can be like the Labour Party support, in the Wigan and Makerfield constituencies, rock solid

Replied: 10th Jun 2024 at 13:32

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (15685)

Peter Israel:

"is the labor party really now just the conservative party with the same policies......

It would appear so, a common saying is that there is not a 'fag paper' between the policies of the Labour and Conservative parties.

Replied: 10th Jun 2024 at 13:37

Posted by: gaffer (7999) 

TTS

There wasn’t a fag paper between Blair and Cameron.
For the past 14 years the Conservative leadership have been more New Labour than Conservative, aiming too much to the centre of the centre ground.

Replied: 10th Jun 2024 at 14:03

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (15685)

Gaffer

I think you mean between Blair and Major, but I remember in 1997 the Conservatives complaining about Labour pinching their policies, and the Labour Party being called Conservatives with Red Coats on.

Replied: 10th Jun 2024 at 14:38

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (15685)

.........

Replied: 10th Jun 2024 at 14:38
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Posted by: First Mate (2475)

Replied: 10th Jun 2024 at 15:03

Posted by: gaffer (7999) 

TTS

No I meant Cameron. Boris Johnson, Theresa May and Rishi Sunak have followed the same script. There all liberals not a shred of red meat on them.

Replied: 10th Jun 2024 at 15:13

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (15685)

Gaffer

I see, well I am wondering how well Reform are going to do at this election.

Replied: 10th Jun 2024 at 16:15

Posted by: tonker (28137) 

What they ‘say’ they will do and what they ‘can actually do’ are two different things. They will say they will do what they think the majority of folk would me happy with.

Replied: 10th Jun 2024 at 16:20

Posted by: Owd Codger (3255)

Both major parties appearing to be no diffrent than each other started when Blair and his cronies Campbell and Mendalson created 'New Labour' and ditched left wing Socialist policies with a self proclaimed slogan of " If we can't beat them, we will join them"

It has taken the Tories to press the self destuct button to give 'New Labour', the chance of winning!

Replied: 11th Jun 2024 at 07:20

Posted by: whups (13477) 

blair was a tory anyway . look at his upbringing .

Replied: 11th Jun 2024 at 11:32

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (15685)

Whupsy

Define what a Tory is ?

Yoo call folk Tories, even if they have never had a connection to the Tory Party, you use the word like an 'insult' to anyone who disagrees with you, you then refer to that person has a Tory.

So yoo describe what a Tory is ?

Replied: 11th Jun 2024 at 12:07
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Posted by: whups (13477) 

a tory is an uncaring money grabbing individual who,s sole aim in life is to give grief to the genaral public of who he makes his or her money from . just like we,ve seen in the last 14yrs with a PM & his wife are now more richer than the king of england . and i,ll make a prediction that sunak & his wife & family leave these shores as soon as they lose this general election .

Replied: 11th Jun 2024 at 12:56

Posted by: Handsomeminer (2808)

Whups you missed out ,lying,

Replied: 11th Jun 2024 at 13:00

Posted by: eggbeater (3072)

He also missed out sending soldiers to their death!! over a LIE
!Oops sorry that was SCUMBAG LABOUR! go on deny it pitmon

Replied: 11th Jun 2024 at 15:48

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (15685)

Whupsy

"is an uncaring money grabbing individual who,s sole aim in life is to give grief to the genaral public of who he makes his or her money from"

So anyone who disagrees with you, who you label has being a Tory, that is the opinion you have of them ?

Replied: 11th Jun 2024 at 16:39

Posted by: gaffer (7999) 

TTS

‘are uncaring money grabbing individuals whose sole aim in life is to give grief to the general public from which they make their money’

BB 2024

Replied: 11th Jun 2024 at 17:28

Posted by: Handsomeminer (2808)

Could of sworn it was parliament that sent em still glad you've got your foot out the telly

Replied: 11th Jun 2024 at 19:53

Posted by: eggbeater (3072)

It's better to put ones foot in the telly than to put it in your mouth like thee lol obsessed with the Tories you are! Owd Maggie brought you lots down on your knees didn't she you tried to hold the country to random and a woman destroyed you

Replied: 11th Jun 2024 at 21:01

Posted by: Owd Codger (3255)

I worked in Engineering for most of my working life and you would be amazed at the number of apprentice trained skilled men who voted Tory.


I also had a neighbour who was a strong socialist and a
shop steward at a large printing works, but after taking a night school course in business administration, got a better paid job with a business systems company and suddenly became a Tory and even a supporter of Thatcher as well a moving away to a more wealthy district.


Money and the level of income decides the way that many vote!



Replied: 12th Jun 2024 at 08:53
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Posted by: Owd Codger (3255)

Whups

So is Tory Tony who you and your pal voted for and now spends a great deal of his life in Tuscany!

Replied: 12th Jun 2024 at 09:06
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Posted by: peter israel (2157) 

nigel farage a man of the people??????

Nigel Farage

Replied: 13th Jun 2024 at 11:55

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (15685)

Peter Israel

Why don't you just find a clip of the full interview he did, rather than a clip which keeps cutting in with stupid comments, I personally don't agree with Nigel Farage's views as regards the Covid Pandemic and the Lockdowns and Vaccines program, I think Boris and the Tories did a good job in how they dealt with the Pandemic

Replied: 13th Jun 2024 at 14:00

Posted by: Handsomeminer (2808)

TTS I am sure baroness mone or what ever her name is and the self employed who fraudulently claimed millions that's been wrote off would agree with you

Replied: 13th Jun 2024 at 21:30

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (15685)

Handsomeminer

So does the actions of those people, mean that Boris did a bad job with the Covid Pandemic ?



Replied: 13th Jun 2024 at 22:21

Posted by: whups (13477) 

as usual eggflipper gets it wrong again . it was 650 MPs who voted for that iraq war . if they had,nt voted for it we would,nt be having this conversation .

Replied: 13th Jun 2024 at 23:37

Posted by: whups (13477) 

just like you with your heroworship of farage 1stroke .

Replied: 13th Jun 2024 at 23:38

Posted by: whups (13477) 

did,nt you vote for him todger ? . i re-itterate that iv,e never been a blair fan but if it meant getting rid of the torys i would vote that way .

Replied: 13th Jun 2024 at 23:41

Posted by: Handsomeminer (2808)

Me to whups

Replied: 14th Jun 2024 at 06:07

Posted by: Owd Codger (3255)

Whups,

Never voted for him or the Labour Party at national and local level since he and his cronies Campbell and Mendelson ditched Socialism and created a party now no different than the Tories.

You only have to come in contact with some of the Labour Councillors in Wigan to know that they are anything but Socialist and only inerested in what they can get out of it like the Tories.

Replied: 14th Jun 2024 at 07:52

Posted by: Handsomeminer (2808)

I don't for one minute think this Labour party is perfect but it's far more important for the future of this country to get rid of this corrupt, uncaring,incompetent self serving Tory
government and I am still waiting for someone to tell me what they've improved over the last 14 year

Replied: 14th Jun 2024 at 10:53

Posted by: roylew (4067)

For me to vote labour…which I do….they would have to get rid of the deputy….awful…wouldn’t even approach her in the Moon Under Water…give me Rachael Reeves anytime

Replied: 14th Jun 2024 at 18:17

Posted by: whups (13477) 

you must be joking roylew . angela is the girl for me coz she hates the torys as much as i do .

Replied: 15th Jun 2024 at 00:49

Posted by: Handsomeminer (2808)

I like an both,still no answers to what the Tories have improved in 14 years of government.I suppose that says it all really

Replied: 15th Jun 2024 at 09:06

Posted by: Owd Codger (3255)

Whups

Not in the same class as Margaret Becket annd Harriet Harman!

Or even women MP's like hazel Briers, Betty Boothroyd, Barbara Castle, Gwyneth Dunwoody and even good old Bessie Braddock!

Replied: 15th Jun 2024 at 09:25
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Posted by: Owd Codger (3255)

Handsomeminer

What the Tories have done in the last 14 years is carry out enough failings to keep yourself and Whups happy in calling them rotten nearly everyday while others have just got on with life in the knowledge that nothing will change under the olther lot!

Replied: 15th Jun 2024 at 09:53
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Posted by: whups (13477) 

in your own opinion todger . mi ne is as it stands .

Replied: 15th Jun 2024 at 12:22

 

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