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Started by: GOLDEN BEAR (6555) 

I see mr sunaky is trying to tell the bbeb not to increase the OUTDATED TV LICENCE INCREASE which is going to rise to "£172.00 per annum , Gee thats a lot of bread for reapeat after repeat don't you think ?? Where does the beeb think people can afford such a huge and unnecessary increase? Why cant' they do like other factories & business's do when they want more money ,, which SACK SOME OF THEIR OVERPAID STAFF .

Started: 4th Dec 2023 at 14:51

Posted by: Billinge Biker (2383) 

I refuse to pay for a TV licence...stopped my direct debit last march ...don't watch BBC or record or download anything. You get the occasional threatening letter which goes on the fire...Overpaid staff...crap programmes...I am with the other 400.000 who refuse to be ripped off. Those figures were published on line last week.

Replied: 4th Dec 2023 at 16:48

Posted by: PeterP (11119)

I think it time they did away with the licence and made the BBC pay for itself via adverts Forget making it subscription . Start by getting rid of the overpaid stars and then get rid of the staff who do things the same but for different regions.eg reported there are 43 weather reporters the BBC is a national channel only needs one

Replied: 4th Dec 2023 at 17:34

Posted by: Owd Codger (2950)

Look like not many are of the same thinking!

Replied: 4th Dec 2023 at 22:21

Posted by: ena malcup (4151) 

When these so called stars move from the beeb to commercial telly, they usually look to tripling their salaries,
it is still you that is paying for it.

It is delusional to think financing by ad revenue amounts to "paying for itself".

My figures are now out of date, they refer to calculations done in1980's, and of course online now also competes for advertising revenue. Back then we calculated that you pay EIGHT times more to watch a programme on commercial TV than on the Beeb.

I am not defending the beeb, I. have my own criticisms of it. Fundamentally though the choice is do you want a public service broadcaster: PBS America Still outclasses the output from many of the remaining Septics' broadcasters.

You may as well scrap the beeb altogether rather than finance it from Ads revenue, at the best, all that could do is deliver you the same output at a much higher cost to us all.

Replied: 4th Dec 2023 at 22:37

Posted by: peter israel (2077) 

Do know one ever wonder why politicians don't like the bbc???

Replied: 4th Dec 2023 at 23:36

Posted by: Owd Codger (2950)

Amazing how some object to paying £172 for the annual license fee, but are willing to pay out far more for diffrent monthly package satelite deals to Sky etc to show their programmes which include advertisements and in many cases are no better than what are produced by the BBC or indeed other freeview channels.

If the license fee keeps the BBC Television and Radio programme free from advertising and subscription paying television, no moaning about it from me and I suspect the majority of viewers.

No wonder Sky can pay the Football Association £4.67 billion to show coverage of Premirship football maches in addittion to other drama and sports contracts when they are getting income both from advertising and exhorbitant package deal subscriptions.

Replied: 5th Dec 2023 at 07:42
Last edited by Owd Codger: 5th Dec 2023 at 10:06:10

Posted by: GOLDEN BEAR (6555) 

With the greatest respect to you ENA/Owd Codger , I believe your both missing the point of which i have probably not made myself more clearer ,which is " Can you explain or tell me please why the heck do we have to pay for a licence in the first instance "???? AS i have said it is not done or required in other countries in the western world . Again all i am asking for is that if i want to pay to pay someone like SKY /AMAZON/TNT /etc sure ly then in this day and age i should be able /allowed to choose whom i want to subscribe to , without have ing to contribute to an organisation i no longer need or want to watch such as the beeb !!!! I also appreciate your bothe your views .

Replied: 5th Dec 2023 at 11:27

Posted by: ena malcup (4151) 

It is just a form of tax. Other countries also fund their state broadcaster from tax. At least this way, you can opt out if you choose not to watch ANY linear broadcast TV.

[EDIT] If we paid for our public service broadcaster out of general taxation, I would not trust our politicians not to attempt greater levels of coercion over the beeb than what we now have.

Replied: 5th Dec 2023 at 11:36
Last edited by ena malcup: 5th Dec 2023 at 11:46:31

Posted by: GOLDEN BEAR (6555) 

Thank you for that interesting information ENA.

Replied: 5th Dec 2023 at 13:22

Posted by: ena malcup (4151) 

Once upon a time, I worked for UK's first commercial broadcaster.

Its owner, is often quoted (although inaccurately) to have described it as a licence to print money.

It would have been more accurate to describe it as a licence to dip the purses and pockets of every soul in the land.

What other business immediately become worth 22 times the capital used to set them up?

Replied: 5th Dec 2023 at 13:58

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (15082)

The BBC is an outdated institution from a time when only the government could afford to setup a national broadcaster, but now it is just a gravy rain for a small elite, so I think the licence fee should be scrapped and the BBC broken up and sold off to the private sector, to the existing commercial broadcasters

Replied: 5th Dec 2023 at 14:02

Posted by: ena malcup (4151) 

BBC was not set up by government or the state.

British Broadcasting Company was a private enterprise company until 1926.

Replied: 5th Dec 2023 at 14:11

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (15082)


I was on about the British Broadcasting Corporation

Replied: 5th Dec 2023 at 17:15

Posted by: ena malcup (4151) 

Which comprised the resources and staff of the former, but with the shareholders paid off, and now becoming a chartered 'not for profit' organisation. It had a monopoly, not because others could not finance competing. Capital requirements prior to television, were not great for radio broadcasting. The mele of broadcasters emerging in USA is something that did not occur here because the GPO would not licence them to transmit. They had over 100 applications for such licences in the first few years of broadcasting. Initially, they imposed a complete ban, citing interference with military comms. They relented but asked the six big operators to be partners in a single operation, and that was what became the British Broadcasting Company.

Replied: 5th Dec 2023 at 17:32
Last edited by ena malcup: 5th Dec 2023 at 17:35:00

Posted by: Owd Codger (2950)

Who cares what the BBC is and who owns it is as long as 47p a day keeps all its television and radio programmes free from advertisements constantly interupting the programmes.

And if the BBC was fully funded by the government, we no doubt would still get the same moaning, especially from non tax payers!

Replied: 6th Dec 2023 at 07:17

Posted by: ena malcup (4151) 

If you ignore the ideologues, be they from right or left: those who wish to silence any criticism of their partisan view of the world, then the remaining criticism of the broadcaster, which is worth taking onboard and dealing with, is much smaller than all the noise might lead you to believe.

Replied: 6th Dec 2023 at 12:43

Posted by: Owd Codger (2950)

ena malcup

You make some very good postings, but you need to say things in a more simple way for some who come on here to understand as they have not had the same level of education as yourself!

Replied: 7th Dec 2023 at 07:29

Posted by: Handsomeminer (2678)

What do you need explaining OC

Replied: 7th Dec 2023 at 09:46

Posted by: Stardelta (11784)

BBC iplayer
BBC sounds
BBC news website
BBC sports website
BBC weather website
CBeebies ( for the kids)
BBC world service
BBC apps

Start using them and getting you monies worth instead of moaning about repeats.

You people are still stuck in the 70s

Replied: 7th Dec 2023 at 13:35

Posted by: PeterP (11119)

A lot of the programmes /music are repeats from the 70's Wait till the Christmas programmes come out it will be a repeat of last year's programmes which was a repeat of the years before programmes

Replied: 7th Dec 2023 at 14:18

Posted by: whups (13022) 

that,s not suprising todger considering your the WW court jester .

Replied: 7th Dec 2023 at 15:37

Posted by: GOLDEN BEAR (6555) 

SO just been announced the robbing BBC are slapping A £ 10..00
INCREASE on next APRIL so they can keep the likes of Linneker in luxury and all the rest of the thieving gits ,thanks for that beeb /REPEAT AFTER DAMN REAPEAT .GB

Replied: 7th Dec 2023 at 16:07

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (15082)

Golden Bear

The robbing BBC wanted an extra £15.00 a year, but the government has said they can only have an extra £10.50

Replied: 7th Dec 2023 at 16:30

Posted by: Stardelta (11784)

Posted by: GOLDEN BEAR (6512)


Tell us about it

Replied: 7th Dec 2023 at 16:59

Posted by: cheshirecat (996) 

ITV also do repeats!
There is a member who comes on here who slates the BBC, refuses to pay a licence fee but yet watches it on catch up!

Replied: 7th Dec 2023 at 19:19

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (15082)

Replied: 7th Dec 2023 at 19:22

Posted by: cheshirecat (996) 

Hello, Tommy.
Put your tongue back in

Replied: 7th Dec 2023 at 19:29

Posted by: GOLDEN BEAR (6555) 

Still far too much one should be allowed to turn of the bbc broadcast if they don't want to wtach in the first instance ie people should have a choice if they want to pay for SKY for example that should be their option it's just another OUTDATED TAX and should be abolished immediately !!!!!!

Replied: 8th Dec 2023 at 12:57

Posted by: Stardelta (11784)

Tell us about it

Replied: 8th Dec 2023 at 13:03

Posted by: cheshirecat (996) 

If you buy a Sky or Virgin tv package, BBC programmes ( and they have a lot of channels ) are inclusive in the package.

If the BBC decided to remove their channels from those packages, there would be some moaning
Sky and Virgin etc also increase their prices, and I can assure you its a lot more than £10 per annum
One of the reasons the BBC have increased prices maybe because people don't pay for a licence ( like some members on here! ) and the rest of us have to subsidise the non payers

Replied: 8th Dec 2023 at 13:18

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (15082)

The BBC are turning of their SD (standard definition) channels, starting in January 2024, then during the next ten years, more channels will only be available online via a internet connection, so when that happens, how can collecting the TV Licence revenue be justified.


Although the BBC was set up using a Royal Charter funded with a broadcasting tax (present day tv licence fee) the BBC is owned by the government, but they pretend it isn't so as to give it's news service editorial independence

Replied: 8th Dec 2023 at 13:46

Posted by: ena malcup (4151) 

YEs, but not as you stated set up because only a government could afford.....

USA, did not have our GPO restricting licences to broadcast, so hundreds of small broadcasters set up with minimal capital.

Government has ultimate control, since they put their man in at the top, and although from time to time government have tried to interfere, by and large they have stayed out of day to day editorial issues. not just in relation to BBC News.

Independence of TV news was sought also by the commercial broadcasters until recently.

Now we have KGB news where the talking heads are politicians conning the audience that they are delivering news: an organisation constantly censured by Ofcom for its abysmal standards of fidelity.

Perhaps Trump will win in 2024, and manoeuvre Farage into power here. Then we can have the Orwellian Dystopian world you seem to crave, facts will be whatever the powers that be deem them to be. I hope you will be happy with it.

Replied: 8th Dec 2023 at 14:04
Last edited by ena malcup: 8th Dec 2023 at 14:40:58

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (15082)


"Then we can have the Orwellian Dystopian world you seem to crave"

Replied: 8th Dec 2023 at 14:35

Posted by: cheshirecat (996) 

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke
"then during the next ten years, more channels will only be available online via a internet connection, so when that happens, how can collecting the TV Licence revenue be justified."

You can watch BBC legally on catch up without a licence.
You don’t need a licence if you only ever watch on demand or catch up programmes.
Who wants to have the inconvenience of not being able to watch anything live for the price of a couple of onions a day

Replied: 8th Dec 2023 at 18:22

Posted by: lectriclegs (5712)

How do you watch BBC catch up without a licence, Chesh?

Replied: 8th Dec 2023 at 18:49

Posted by: cheshirecat (996) 

You can watch on demand or catch up programmes without one, but you can't watch them on BBC iPlayer without a licence.

Replied: 8th Dec 2023 at 19:01

Posted by: lectriclegs (5712)

So where do we watch BBC catch up?

Replied: 8th Dec 2023 at 19:26

Posted by: cheshirecat (996) 

I would imagine on your computer. Try it

Replied: 8th Dec 2023 at 19:55
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Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (15082)

Further to my comments regarding breaking up the BBC the problem would be what to do with BBC News, because although I consider it to be now politically biased, there would be pressure to keep it, so I think that the revenue the BBC gets from selling streaming services from it's archive via Britbox, which is now on the ITVX platform, in a broken up BBC the revenue from Britbox and any successor to Britbox, plus any commercial sales of BBC output from the archive, could be used to fund BBC News

Replied: 8th Dec 2023 at 20:03

Posted by: Billinge Biker (2383) 

I ain't paying it... If the Muppets of UK choose to pay this tax on the populas
More fool you .it's a government stealth tax they can't enforce...cos there's too many of us rebelling..if I want the bee'b...you pay for it.

Replied: 8th Dec 2023 at 20:48

Posted by: mollie m (6986) 

As I have said before, I haven't had a TV for many years now and, when I scrapped my last one, I phoned BBC TV Licensing to enquire about the need for a licence, as I only watch BBC iPlayer (plus ITV catch-up which makes no difference).

It was made very clear to me that, if I have any kind of device that will receive any of the BBC's programmes, whether I watch them or not, I still have to have a licence.

If you have such a device, then you can't prove that you don't watch.

It's as simple as that. Now, if the rules since then have changed, just read which services you need to have a licence on www.tvlicensing.co.uk.

Replied: 8th Dec 2023 at 21:59


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