TODAY

is Teachers' Day.

(International Teachers' Day)

I will single out not a school teacher, but Prof. Sir Roland Smith, as person to whom I express gratitude.

People who can...do...
People who can't...teach.

After 16yrs caretaking at an outstanding school..I can safely say that teachers are a bunch of lazy beggars with high opinions of themselves...bone idle at looking after their staff kitchen...microwave and oven were always minging...They spent more time putting their tutty on in a morning leaving a sinkful of nasty pots to await their return home...don't attend school for longer than 6 weeks before a holiday is awarded ( note I didn't say work). Average £30.000 + a year... Laughable.

And they can make hard work, During my plumbing life I often did skool refurbishments and this is mostly done in the 6 week Summer break, Every time we did a skool all went well until the teechers come in to view the reburb work and then,,,,BOOM, They ( and its always a woman) find faults,
This tale is typical and cost £zillions to the taxpayer,

Week 4 of the Summer break and the Head teecher comes in and says to me, " you;ve put the wrong toilets in Laddie", Well of course I'm only putting in what the plans say and as its an infants skool, I'm putting in infants toilets,
So she goes on to explain that, At a meeting she had made it clear that she wanted normal full sized toilets because, When the child gets home, he/she uses full sized toilets So why are we putting infant one in ?, So the job is stopped now, the skool is in north of Carnforth and I can't get a signal to get the company I am subbing to find out why, So tools away and homeward bound to the site office, Then after a long banter between the main contractor and architect , Its agreed to change all the infants toilets to standard size and there is only 2 weeks to get it done, This got done only just in time and at a high cost because it meant, the floor and drains needed altering, cubicles replaced and all my other jobs scheduled for that period, postponed,
We did it and a little past the finish line and she was happy, PHEW,
BUT, Thats not the end of the story because , 4 weeks later I'm summond to the main contractors office to Get back to the skool in the midterm break to change the toilets back to infants toilets,,The standard toilet experiment did not work out good because, The children use a stardard toilet at home but, there is mummy or daddy there to assist, in a classroom situation, the skool had to take on extra staff to assist the kids because the teechers refused to keep taking kids to the toilet,So I gained another full week with extra hours to change them back and I noticed the head teecher had been replaced,,,

Wouldn't pay em in washers TP.

To be fair BB they say there are competent workers in all aspects of life, Like you, I agree teechers are stealing money and get long holidays and other perks like, " hey kids, who fancy's a field trip to Alten Towers" as if the kids will say , " no thanks Miss" its a free day out with expenses to learn,,,, WHAT ? how to queue all day So, I think your payment in washers is,,
overpayment

Tomplum:

They're the same when our electricians go into schools, and we go into many.

One of lads who was working, was approached by a teacher who stood watching them, who said to him "why are you putting that great big ugly thing there?" (a distribution board). Our guy said something like, it's the only place it can go if you want power to this part of the school. Our guy was an Approved Electrician, JIB registered and a Supervisor with 25 years experience!

They can be a darned nuisance!

Mollie, I'm J.A.W. Approved. (Job An' Wom!)

I'm not having a go at you here BB but, One of the biggest pains in the bum on skool work is the caretaker/janitor , He has all the keys to the rooms and plant rooms and insists on locking everything up, I know he has to in this day and age but, the practical side for a plumber/electrician is a time consuming , chase me and find me if you can game and often the caretaker has gone off to another skool or skiving in a cafe or just hiding in a cupboard,,

Tom

That teacher who was not happy with the toilets, why did yoo not tell her to bog off

Well Tommy I thought it was a good point and she had made her point clear at meetings held months before the work was to be carried out, I don't think she had kids of her own or it would have been obvious to her, An infant cannot get on a full sized toilet unaided and that never occurred to anyone at those meetings So, Whos to Blame ??? and secondly and more important, I knew this was going to be good for me,,

I was going to say, you won't have changed those bogs for nothing

“”After 16yrs caretaking at an outstanding school..I can safely say that teachers are a bunch of lazy beggars with high opinions of themselves“”


You need to be careful what you say BB. If your comments get back to the school you work at I doubt they will be taken lightly

Or do they too know you are a raving narcissistic g******e full of your own self importance too?

I always left my keys at reception when I was off site . So plumbers couldn't myther me to return to school

A school caretaker complaining when he has to adhere to what's in the job description, taking care of the school!

Jealous of the staff, and if they are on £30,000 per annum, the caretaker will not be far behind them salary wise.
Not bad for glueing the odd chair, sweeping the playground, throwing salt on the icy playground and making sure the seats are set out for assembly etc, and having a fair share of school holidays!
You would be alright in the old days when the caretaker had to shovel fossil fuel manually into the boiler to keep the school heated!

Did you apply for the dinner ladies position and didn't get the job?
That possibly could explain your anger towards the educational staff?

Would you say chesh is or was , a skool teecher Tommy Tee ?

"After 16yrs caretaking at an outstanding school.. I can safely say that teachers are a bunch of lazy beggars ...... etc., et., etc.".!

An outstanding school, eh.? Ironic, isn't it, that the teachers are all shit. I wonder what makes the school "outstanding"? The caretaker, maybe?

Tonker

Probably

Tom said:

"Would you say chesh is or was , a skool teacher Tommy Tee ?"

Mmmmmm

An educational pussy

Could be, certainly nowty enough to be a teacher.

Speaking of education, I can say I went to Oxford.

Only once, about ten years ago, but I went!

so did Jefro Bodine , he got to the 5th grade,

Tonker:

I though that Jethro had got eighth grade education

You could be right tommy because he qualified to
to be a double nought spy

Firstly dear people, don't believe everything you read. Teachers don't get loads of holidays they only get paid for the weeks they work which is 39 weeks per year. Lesson planning etc is done during unpaid time.
Secondly, these days teachers are not only expected to teach, they are also surrogate parents, dealing with toilet training, speech and language therapy, behaviour etc.
So before you start bitching, walk a mile in their/our shoes.

Mrs Ogden teacher Nicol mere!! The only teacher that took time out to help me by spending her lunch time with me. And go though my school work... The only teacher who i came in touch with that new my brain was wired different before there was a word dyslexic and not just thick.....

Yes Tonks. The place has gone downhill since my departure. I have been told this many a time.. and seen it for myself .

Still rated outstanding though even though the super skivvy has left.

AngelWood, I totally agree and, idiomatically speaking, you have only scratched the surface.

Briefly speaking, a pupil has to have the standard to pass the school exams. Then, the motivation and ability to study (and pass) two or more exams at a higher level; this is normally a study which takes approximately two years. Success then allows the teenager to apply for a place at a university and, if they are fortunate, the teenager is accepted by the university. Colleges and universities have limited places and many teenagers need to accept a place at a different college or university - this, sometimes means travelling great distances or leaving home to live nearer to the place of study.

Even before a teacher steps into a classroom and is paid a wage he or she has to study - for more years than the required school years - another five to six years and without any payment for doing so.
Additionally, for a number of decades, most students have had to pay to attend a college or university and these costs are certainly not minimal. Many students are leaving university with a heavy debt due to the costs of attending etc.
If you account for everything (university charges, materials, living accommodation, travel etc) the amount could be over £50,000.
Roughly speaking, a teenager in those first six years of employment could possibly earn around £90,000. Therefore, having a financial advantage to the student teacher.

To finish: "We have the choice!"

If you greatly believe that teaching is a cushy job which is financially rewarding and you were the most important asset to that particular school, why did you not become a teacher?

One of skool mates became a teecher and got to be the head teecher at Birchall at Ashton, He left and got another profession because, He felt he was walking through treacle, He told me that even the best achievers were only hitting a ' mediocre ' standard and that was because of the ever increasing lack of discipline in pupils due to the restrictions of punishment the teecher could use, Many others left as well, So yes its not a glamorous job nor do the teechers get job satisfaction , I remember one of the younger teechers saying to me,
Its not my job to teech, its your job to learn,,,

You can hardly blame the teacher if a pupil is not good academically.

It is up to the pupil to embrace the education that is available to them, and try to learn from it.
I went through secondary school in the same class, same teachers and had the same education as all the others in my class.
Some went on to be very successful in their chosen careers. Others were not as fortunate.

Not the teachers fault as we were all equal and had the same opportunities. Some took the opportunity, some didn't.

My teecher was very astute , She told me in the approach up to the final year,
" If you don't pull your socks up me lad , You'll end up being a bin mon or a plumber"

.Uncanny,,,,,,,,,,,,

what year was your friend the head master at Byrchall Tomplum

I went to a Catholic school from 4 years old, most of the day was taken up with religion, we went in at 9am on Monday mornings and the first ten minutes was taken up with the register , the second ten by the church register , if you had not attended church on the Sunday then you sent to the head mistress to have the strap, after the registers then it would be reading the caticisam for 15 to half an hour, on Thursdays we spent a whole afternoon at the church for Benidiction, I asked my dad to take me to a different school when I turned 11, what a difference

i never understand why discipline has anything to do with education??? i never have laid a hand on my child or ever threaten to. No child is born bad it's all to do with there environment they are brought up in so it seems your friend was in the wrong job to start with tomplum

Did you get the adverts sorted bentlegs?

Peter Izzy He was Head teech there early 1990's , Allen Mac

tom,

Corporal punishment was commonplace when I was at school.

Standards of attainment were not higher as a result. They were much worse, though it has to be said, lots of other factors have some bearing upon this.

Unfortunately, the sudden increase in demand for teachers as a result of the 1944 Butler Act, corresponded with a need to redeploy large numbers of demobbed ex servicemen. So we got a lot of really appalling teachers. Considerable numbers of them should never have been allowed anywhere near kids, and I can tell you of quite a few who ended up on the sex offenders register.

Punishment aside, it was just as common to see a teacher completely lose self control, and violently assault and simply beat up a child in a totally thuggish manner.

Bullying was rife, and often initiated by teachers undermining one of their charges. Bullies were often adept at making sure their victim was the one to get in trouble with the teacher, who would beat them up for a second time.

A system which bred violence. What you learned was might was right!

My early skool days were ruled by the cane, Everyone got caned, Girls as well good and bad, rich or poor, bashed into shape,
mental arithmatics class, You stood up at your desk the teecher walked down and ash a mental sum, you got 2 seconds to answer and wrong answer or late answer and the came down on your hand, ouch, 9 times out of ten I felt the bamboo,,

tomplum mr allen was a bully he was my history teacher i remember he thought he was a bit of a rugby player in till he played the pupils and came away with a black eye.... his thing was to throw the backboard duster at the kids..

i remember getting the cane for something i did not do it still pisis me off today.... Judge & jury for a 13 year old kid

and what p me off about getting the cane was that the kid who said it was me who spat on him when he spat on his self just to get me in the shit later became a governor at Byrchall

Me brother went to Ashton Grammar School (Byrchall High Skool) in the 1960s and that Mr Allen was headmaster then, and he had a reputation of being a strict bugger back then.
At present they are building a brand new school on the field in front of Byrchall High School.

He would't be the headmaster then Tommy, My friend would still be at skool himself and Allen was his first name His surname is Macalchuk but it might not be spelt right,,

Reet Tom, it was a different time and a different type of school, but it is obviously the same bloke who used to chuck blackboard dusters at Peter Israel.

chucking board dusters was common in my time at skool and in all the 4 years I never ever saw one hit anyone, Kieth Northy Was a rugby player for St Helins and he could chuck a board duster from the front of the class to the playground and he was a grumpy nasty bloke but, he never actualy hit anyone that I saw, Now chalk, he would chuck chalk and hit the target every time, He was lethel with chalk,

tom,
Don't know if it is same person, but someone of that name lived on Finny-Addy Row in 1950's. I guess he would be around his early seventies by now. (Allen Macalchuck, that is.)

Peter, I am with you there.

I got viciously caned: great purple welts across my backside for a week, and they bled and became infected and I had to have treatment at Wigan Infirmary.

Although feint, the marks are still visible all these decades later.

My offence: Not wearing my school cap!

It had been stolen. Whether deliberately to get me the whack, I have no way of knowing.

But it was within FOUR weeks of me leaving school: I was certainly not going to waste any money buying a new school cap, and refrained from just nicking someone else's cap.

The teacher concerned is damned lucky that I did not encounter him any time in the future: I am sure I would have taken my revenge.

Ena, No Allen never lived on Rose hill but, it must be a relation as there can't be too many Macalchucks about, his Dad was Joe and lived in the same row as mine, The row of houses opposite Landgate in the 60's they had 4 sons and 1 daughter, Allen will now be around 68 years old,

Got me now wondering, was it Allen Macalchuck, or was it Ian Macalchuck.

It's "Mychalczuk". Does't know nowt?

I did say on a previous post that, I might not be spelling it right and this rings true about caning kids have having worser results because of it,

Well its another weeks holiday again for the teechers as the half term is here, When I was a lad we called it 'Prato pickin' wiks' because, in the 1950's there was a shortage of manpower due to the second world war and help was needed on the farms to gather in the potato crop so, they employed us skool kids to do it and, I always did, I got 12/6d for the week and my mum took it off me because she needed it more than me, fair play, I thought but, Would the yoof do that today ?? not on your nellie, but, they still want the weeks holiday and so do the teechers,,,

I could not do it nowadays though.

Had been a bit unwell for much of past year, and had let weeds take over the garden.

Feeling somewhat better, I had a four day blitz on weeding, just prior to the on come of the rains.

Back was in agony from the bending. Don't know how much I shifted, but the perennial or seeding stuff, unsuitable for the compost heap, filled five wheelie bins plus a four hour burn up.

I have some T&G wooden floorboard that I need to replace just as soon as I can acquire suitable replacements. I know that extended working at ground level is going to be quite uncomfortable.

There may have been corporal punishment, but there was descipine and respect by the majority of pupils for Teachers which is now sadly lacking today, not only in schools, but in everyday life, especially towards the elderly.

Oh, and the only assault I saw at school was by a Drunken Parent on a Teacher.