Brexit

Starmer says that Labour will seek to re write the Brexit deal.

He still does not get it!

Info from BBC politics site.

I think he said, He can get us a better deal from Bexit, HA HA, yeah right, he is in cuckoo land,

He may engage Cummins as his advisor?

maybe he can start the oven up for that "oven ready deal" johnson promised ? .

Whupsy

Labour never learn, Starmer should have kept his gob shut about the EU and when the next opinion polls come out, I bet Starmer and the Labour Party's popularity have dived in the polls.

I too heard the clip were he says " He wants to negotiate a new deal for a better future for his children ""He did also state that apparently the existing trade deals with our so-called allies runs out end of 2024 early 2025 so which ever party is in at the time Has to renegotiate new trade deals """
I am not defending him or his gang but agree with TTS he should have kept stum if possible ??
G.B.

Starmer has been in Paris today, suckholing up to Macron and thus the EU LINK

neither do you ,do you .

What political parties promise in manifesto's and what they deliver after being elected are two different things!

The Tories handling of Brexit has been diabolical,me n Owd codger could have done a better job than this inept government

"Keir Starmer admits he doesn’t want to diverge from EU"

LINK

WHY, is he so desperate to rejoin the EU

because it,s been a disaster from day 1 . your hero farage said that brexit has,nt worked , did,nt he .

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke
"WHY, is he so desperate to rejoin the EU"

Possibly because a lot of people who voted out have now realised that it was a catasrophic mistake.
It could be an election winner for him as the brexit vote was very, very close.
Maybe they are realising that the chickens have come home to roost

But Y ?

Why as it been a catastrophic mistake ?

I do not agree that leaving the E.U was a catastrophic mistake on te contrary if those that are charge ,in power actually pulled their finger's out and really got stuck into the issue it's the best thing that's happened to BRITAIN for hundreds of years . But when you have these mealy mouthed people like Starmer stiring things up you have to ask the question ,,,,,
DO WE WANT THIS MAN TO BE OUR NEXT P.M. ????
My response to that is NO BLOODY WAY!!!! If he cannot take the mantle up of doing what the BRITISH PEOPLE VOTED FOR ,THEN IT'S HIGH TIME HE SHOVED OFF!!!! With all his other cronies too. Yes we have a huge problem with the illegals ,but ask yourself why???? Because it suits them to have unrest then the likes of Sunak/Starmer etc can try to claim the point that we would be better off in the E.U. My response to those are ""JUST GO AWAY WRITE YOUR BOOKS PUSH OFF !!! FOR YOU ARE NOT FIT TO GOVERN .
G.B.

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (13887)
But Y ?
"Why as it been a catastrophic mistake ?

You have asked me that quetion before and I answered you!
Have you forgotten already

Lets start with the 40 new hospitals promised and the "we send the EU £350 million a week – let's fund our NHS instead”.
And don't reply to me with your usual old roasted chestnut of the Ukraine war, and covid. That ones worn out now

Cheshire Puss

So are yoo saying that we would have had 40 new hospitals by now, if we had stopped in the EU ?

Throughout the Brexit thing, the referendum debate, the Brexit deal negotiations, the thing which the EU could not get away from, was that the loss of British trade, would cause a lot of harm to the EU, because EU bussinesses which relied on the UK for their trade, would not be able to find new markets to make up for the loss of the British market, and a lot of people seemed to think that Brexit would mean the loss of the EU - British market, but that was never on the cards, because if there had been no Brexit deal with the EU, trade would have carried on using WTO rules, which would have meant a tariff of about 10% on imported and exported goods, not really what was wanted, but not a disaster either, but it suited both sides to have a none tariff deal, which is what was negotiated, but whereby the EU could not find new markets to make up for the theoretical loss of the British market, Britain on the other hand would have and indeed does have access to trade with the rest of the world, and so Britain now has a trade deal with the EU and can also trade with the rest of the world, so what is the problem with not being in the EU ?

Global business has said they are losing confidence in investing in uk since brexit and the Tory government they say Torys now changing their policies making things unstable, maybe starmer is right

Surfer Tom

But where is the proof in your comments about foreign investment in the UK being less than if we had stopped in the EU ?

Leave it to the Global business experts, Tommy.
After all, it was those people who stated
that they are losing confidence in investing in uk since brexit"

TTS
It's common knowledge Tommy since we left Eu investment has fallen were is the trade deals torys promised. Investors not happy now the torys changing policies and his pledges have failed things will get worse rushi sunak knows it, there days are numbered changing policy to try and win next election won't work

Cheshire Puss

Anyone or any organisation can call themselves 'Global Business Experts' and unless hard data suggest otherwise, these business experts are only expressing an 'opinion' and these same Brexit doom and gloom merchants, who are supposedly business experts, who predicated that Britain would fall off a cliff economically if we left the EU, and ever since Brexit, they have said that Britain was about to enter a severe recession, and none of those things have happened, and we have the highest economic growth in the G7.

These 'business expert' opinions are just 'remainers' - 'remoaning' about Brexit

Surfer Tom

But where are yoo getting your 'facts' from ?

You asked

"were is the trade deals torys promised"

Here is your answer, based on 'facts'

LINK

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke
"they have said that Britain was about to enter a severe recession, and none of those things have happened, "

Just when I thought you could not get any stupider, and then you come out with a statement like that.!
I give up

Please let Starmer win.....then the country will show what it's like to be really f****d up.....

Just for the record, I'm not a fan of Starmer.
In fact, quite the opposite

Cheshire Puss

"Just when I thought you could not get any stupider, and then you come out with a statement like that.!
I give up"

Explain

Are you denying that we are not in a recession?

A recession is two consecutive quarters of negative GDP growth.

Cheshire Puss:

"Are you denying that we are not in a recession?"

YES, absolutely, Britain has avoided a recession LINK

A recession in my mind is when we have had more than two consecutive quarters of negative utility bill prices, food prices, petrol prices, energy prices interest rate prices, etc. All in all, the cost of living in general!

If that does not equate to a recession , I don't know what does?

CC

Recession is measured by GDP not prices of what we buy.
The UK is not in recession.The Eurozone was in recession earlier this year.

Thanks for explaining that, Gaffer.
I appreciate your explanation.

It does not alter the fact that there is a recession in my household at the moment due to the state of the economic crisis at this current time in the UK.

It all boils down to an individuals definition of a recession. It affects some people a lot more than others

Cheshire Puss

With the cost of living thing, and I agree that is terrible, with the cost of everything, and folks standard of living for me is going backwards fast, a lot of folk cannot afford to put the heating on, the price of gas and electricity is just unbelievable.

Headline news. Inflation down! From 6.8 to 6.7 as if that makes a blind bit of difference? The news is a bloody joke. Next thing they'll be saying Sunak is doing a good job.

TTS
the trade deals in the link
Are no were near has good as we had in the Eu
Which shows what you know

Not much economic crisis with the many buying the new large detached houses being built all over the country, new and bigger more expensive cars, latest technology, going on foreign holidays, second homes, boats, caravans, regular meals in the incresing number of restaurants etc, etc.

The majority of people including many on benefits have more money than they care to admit!

Good job, some today were not living when I was a kid and witnessed real hardship and poverty and just got on with life without moaning about being hard up all the time.

Live within your means and you will never be hard up.

Owed codger,
Think your on the wrong thread ,Now go back to bed that's a good boy

Surfer Tom said:

"TTS
the trade deals in the link
Are no were near has good as we had in the Eu
Which shows what you know"

I am trying to show yoo what I know, so there is no need to be rude

As member of the EU, we were subject to trade agreements with countries who had negotiated a trade deal with the EU as a trading bloc, and all the UK needed to do was to sign a trading continuity agreement, with each of those countries, transferring the trade agreement from Britain as an EU country, to Britain as a stand alone country, so no negations were necessary, only that some of those agreements were tweaked to improve them for both countries concerned, and they were the first agreements to be sorted out.

A trade agreement with America is mentioned a lot as political ammunition, but a federal agreement with the USA is difficult to negotiate, because each US state as it's own trading rules, so what Britain is doing is making separate trading agreements with each US state, I don't think that in regard to Brexit having trade agreements is a problem, there are plenty of them, but here have been problems in the nuts and bolts of certain agreements, as in the fishing agreement with the EU is not well thought of, but with changes on such a massive scale over a relatively short period of time, yoo cannot expect everything to be honky dreary can yoo, there going to be some bumps in the road.

The big disappointment with Brexit, is the lack of control of our borders, with us remaining in the ECHR, and the excuse that it is not part of the EU just does not wash with folk, we are a sovereign nation and we should act as such, and that is why Nigel Farage has said he thinks 'that' part of Brexit has been a failure, not the whole of Brexit, which Whupsy tries to twist his comments around into.

Surfer Tom

Do you really wish that we were back in the EU, taking orders from unelected morons in Brussels ?

You've made up for it on the moaning front

i,m not twisting anything on that reply but you on the other hand will do anything to avoid your responsibility on voting us into this mess . get real 1stroke .

When uk was in common market we had a say in the matters now we are out we have no say ,27 countries can agree what they want and we uk can't do a thing about it , what a deal ,

Surfer Tom

What are you saying at all ?

We are not in it anymore, why would we want a say in it ?

because it,s economical to do so . or hav,nt you seen wots going on . the farmers now know very well that they made a mistake in voting us out & trusting the tory lies on the subsidies they promised them .

Poppycock !!!!

The EU is being torn apart by immigration. The German economy is going through a dreadful period, far worse than the UK. They need at least a million migrants a year to fill the gaps in the workforce.This drives more voters to the far right party the AFD.

Germany needs the migrants for the reason you stated above.
We don't need them, but unfortunately, we are getting them.

As soon as they ( all young men ) arrive over here why dont we point them ( or force them ) in the direction of Germany where there are jobs available for them

just like here but this lot tar everyone with the same brush .

Why do we need more immigrants for the workforce when the number of people including immigrants living on benefits is increasing?

Perhaps, it is the low pay of the minimum wage intoduced by the well paid politicians in Parliament that has created the idea of not working for a living and having immigrants to do the mundane jobs on factory conveyor lines, gathering food in farmers fields, delivering parcels and the essencial social care jobs.

Grant shapps says rushi sunak is prepared to make difficult decisions,in other words stuff the north of england ,stuff levelling up, send the migrants up north, he has wasted million of pounds all broken pledges

because todger our lot wont get out of bed in a morning to pick the fruit . that,s why . and immigrants live on £ 47-39 per week to feed , wash & clothe themselves also they cant work until they get a NI number which there,s a massive backlog . get real .

" they cant work until they get a NI number"

Bollocks !

Makes you wonder we're
Are they getting money from. If they are getting money somebody is turning a blind eye they don't seem to go short

no one is turning a blind eye that,s why there,s so much trouble at these detention centers . try using the internet tonker instead of pointing the finger or are you one of those who doesnt know the difference between an asylum seeker & a refugee .

I don't care if they are asylum seekers or refugee's, they are ruining the country, I dread to think what it will be like here in the future, I feel very sorry for our young people.

New York

Whups, I don't need to "try using the internet".

I know that 'immigrants' are working in car washes, sunbed shops and vape shops all over the country, national insurance number or not. The authorities don't even know they;re here!
The police know they're drug dealing, but do nothing about it.
How do I know? I've watched them passing coke through a car window and taking a wedge of money in return. A police officer has told me they know, but can do nothing about it as they "don't have the manpower"!

Yes, domino, this country has had it!

"We will be forced to take up arms against them"! - Tosh Badouri.

Gaffer's New York link ........

1) none of those 'migrants' look undernourished, dehydrated or underdressed.

2) how have they got to New York? on a small dinghy?

3) why are they accepting them men, yet Mexicans are beaten with sticks and sent back?

Who's Tosh ?

Doo yoo remember Tosh from 'The Bill'

Tonker

They’re being sent to New York by bus from Texas having crossed the Mexican border into the US.

Their has to be a better deal with Europe to be done because the Tories made a complete and utter mess of brexit

Handsome miner
This Tory goverment don't negotiate with any body ask the people who went on strike and stiil on strike they ignore other people's views,that's what torys do,.you right it needs sorting for the future of this uk

Don't worry surfer tom, Starmer will make everything nice and rosy when he gets power...........never forget, everyone in Parliament is for themselves first, and
politician second.

Rosy sounds a naughty girl Shame on you frecky

My quick has never been cutted so much....

his name was lucky grills from an aussie detective series called bluey . by the time labour get in there will be nothing left in britian to sell off & the country will be ruined by then . even jesus christ wont be able to get us out of the mess made by the torys .

Tonker

They’re being sent to New York by bus from Texas having crossed the Mexican border into the US.

Where inflation salaries and allowaces of today's politicians is concerned, their motto is "You have got to be in it to get it"

No low pay and minimum wage for them!

and no law when THEY withdraw their labour by resigning .

Whupsy

What is it with yoo, because you are obsessed with resigning and striking and withdrawing your labour, and having a ballot, and showing solidarity, and having a demarcation dispute, and supporting the dockers, and being against containerisation.

Why don't yoo just go to work, and stop being a pillock

OC the minimum wage for MPs is the same as it is for everyone else you do talk some rubbish

because i,m a pensioner . if you were short changed in your taxi days you would strike , oh i forgot you did did,nt you . did you show solidarity with your fellow taxi drivers ? .

I believe what i am seeing on tv news from the good ol USA is and should be a clear WARNING to us ,yes we have problems with illegals but not on the scale of USA, Unless some drastic measure are undertaken here inside the next 6-12 months ,i predict you will see so many flooding across the channel it will look like an invasion , so be warned and stop all this crap about lets give them a home , they had homes in the first place why not stay where they were born . G.B.

GB

The Americans are sending special forces into Mexico to curb the immigration northwards.

GB

The Americans are sending special forces into Mexico to curb the immigration northwards.

What happened to the wall that was being built when Trump was president?
It was supposed to keep out the Mexican drug gangs

Biden knocked it down.

Thank you TTS. The wall still stands but, when Biden was voted in, all work stopped. So, well done Joe and the Democratics.
It seems that the Africans who are flooding in to the states think they've finally found the land of milk and honey. I somehow don't think so.

Africans ?

I thought they were from Meckeeko

TTS,
I believe they are from all over South America. Some have travelled for weeks through various countries finally arriving in Mexico to cross the border.

"Some have travelled for weeks through various counties finally arriving in Mexico " ........ in a dinghy!

Can I clear up something I said earlier, when I said "well done to Joe" I was being sarcastic

The New York link that Gaffer put on showed black Africans queuing for food on the street, not Mexican s.

Whups

Did the Labour Party show solidarity with you and your follow Miners in 1984

No, with the exception of the more left wing Labour MP's many of whom like Dennis Skinner were former miners, the party kept its distance away from the picket lines and the strike.

The same has happen again in the more recent strikes!

The Labour party has many faults but they have to be better than this bunch of lying ,incompetent,self serving spivs

Handsomeminer, wait until they're in power for a year or two....Labour have had their fair share of spivs etc as well. All politicians are in for what THEY can get, so to say they're all in one party or the other is ludicrous.

really todger how would you know wot went on ? .