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Car parking on the footpath

Started by: PeterP (8914)

Drove past Edge Hill University Today and the police were putting parking tickets on the cars parked on the footpath near the entrance to the university About 1/2mile before the college there is a clearway sign for 8miles(on St Helens Rd).In the past I have seen at least 50cars parked on the footpath /grass verge and its not before time some got a parking fine

Started: 15th Oct 2021 at 18:06

Posted by: berylh (2102)

So get it, this is my pet aggravation. I sort of tolerate them partially parked on the pavement although I'd rather they didn't, but completely obstructing the pavement is taking the preciousness of their car is too much as well as being illegal and dangerous to pedestrians - how do we stop them doing it.

Replied: 15th Oct 2021 at 18:47

Posted by: tonker (24196) 

The Police don't give parking tickets. The councils do.

Replied: 15th Oct 2021 at 19:24

Posted by: Pewfall (204) 

No such simplistic thing as a 'parking ticket'. A parking on pavement 'ticket' from the council is likely to be a Penalty Charge Notice. If it's from the police for the same peccadillo then it's likely to be a Fixed Penalty Notice.

Replied: 15th Oct 2021 at 19:36

Posted by: tonker (24196) 

The police don't do parking tickets OR fixed penalty notices for parking. .....unless ..... it's in a dangerous or obstructive position.

Replied: 15th Oct 2021 at 19:48

Posted by: lectriclegs (4472)


Posted by: tonker (24041) [View tonker's page]

The Police don't give parking tickets. The councils do.


Posted by: tonker (24041) [View tonker's page]

The police don't do parking tickets OR fixed penalty notices for parking. .....unless ..... it's in a dangerous or obstructive position.


Make your mind up

Replied: 15th Oct 2021 at 19:53

Posted by: tonker (24196) 

Let me explain, although it should be obvious to anyone with an ounce of sense .....

The Police don't prosecute for parking anymore. Local authorities do it and they contract companies to do it for them.

But, if you park on the motorway sliproad, or across an entrance to somewhere, then they will prosecute.
Parking is not a criminal offence.
Obstruction is.

Replied: 15th Oct 2021 at 20:07

Posted by: Pewfall (204) 

If the Police wanted to act on parking on the pavement on grounds of "unnecessary obstruction of any part of the highway" they are very much entitled to issue a Fixed Penalty Notice. Anyone with an ounce of sense would look this up on Gov.uk, the Government's official website.

Replied: 15th Oct 2021 at 20:25

Posted by: PeterP (8914)

Tonker all I know is it was a bloke in police garb with a vehicle what had police printed on the car who was making out some form of ticket and putting them into pretty plastic bags and there was a line of cars with these pretty bags adhered to the windscreen I dont think they were halloween party invites

Replied: 15th Oct 2021 at 20:48

Posted by: lectriclegs (4472)


Posted by: tonker (24042) [View tonker's page]

Not knowing one's arse from one's elbow = Not knowing what day it is = Not kowing much about 'owt!

Replied: 14th Oct 2021 at 21:43


Replied: 15th Oct 2021 at 20:58

Posted by: tonker (24196) 

Summary
This briefing paper summarises parking policy in England: civil parking enforcement on
public highways; parking on private land; and parking on private roads.
Since 1995 local authorities in England have had the ability to assume control for parking
enforcement in their areas from the police. Almost all local authorities have now assumed
these powers. This means that parking offences on the public highway are not dealt with
by the police and the courts but by the civil authorities – the local authority and an
independent traffic tribunal which hears appeals. The law on civil parking enforcement
was revised and consolidated in 2004, and the current arrangements came into force in
2008.

. The police have failed to
enforce parking regulations in Britain properly for decades as
other policing priorities have taken precedence. The result is that
illegal parking is widespread.
It is fifteen years since local authorities were given the power to
take over control of parking enforcement from the police.
Transferring responsibility for parking enforcement to local
government has succeeded in raising the levels of enforcement
and compliance.


FromTHIS.



From Merseyside Police

Illegal parking

If the vehicle is parked:

over a dropped kerb,
on a pedestrian crossing (including the area marked by the zig-zag lines),
in spaces reserved for Blue Badge holders, residents or motorbikes (unless entitled to do so),
in marked taxi bays, cycle lanes or red lines,
near a school entrance, bus or tram stop,
anywhere that would prevent access for Emergency Services,

Please report it to your local council.

Replied: 15th Oct 2021 at 21:31

Posted by: tomplum (8045) 

Gerr him towd Tonks, I sent him wom carrying his baw last neet,

Replied: 15th Oct 2021 at 21:38

Posted by: Pewfall (204) 

let it go Tonker......

Here is a link to the law, de facto, the legislation itself - not something you've copied and pasted from some website somewhere.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1980/66/section/137

Replied: 15th Oct 2021 at 21:39

Posted by: Pewfall (204) 

actually i meant to say De Jure, not De Facto.......never mind........I'm going for a cup of tea and signing off for the night. bye

Replied: 15th Oct 2021 at 21:53

Posted by: whups (7263) 

there is a white paper that is on it,s last reading that gives the council to fine anyone who parks either on the pavement or half on or off with a fixed penalty of £70 . the council will have a field day if it comes into force .

Replied: 15th Oct 2021 at 23:51

Posted by: TerryW (6954)

Have the police nothing better to do, thought we had a shortage of cops on the beat?

Replied: 16th Oct 2021 at 10:31

Posted by: basil brush (17380)

Well done to the coppers, next should be john, Rigby.

Replied: 16th Oct 2021 at 10:56

Posted by: tonker (24196) 

Pewfall's LINK is from 1980.

If you took the time to view MY LINK, you'd find it more up-to-date, is from Parliamentary Archives and came into force some 28years after Pewfall's "de facto" contribution.

Itsays, "Since 1995 local authorities in England have had the ability to assume control for parking enforcement in their areas from the police.
Almost all local authorities have now assumed
these powers.
This means that parking offences on the public highway are not dealt with by the police and the courts but by the civil authorities – the local authority and an independent traffic tribunal which hears appeals.
The law on civil parking enforcement was revised and consolidated in 2004, and the current arrangements came into force in 2008."

And THAT is why the police don't issue parking tickets!

Replied: 16th Oct 2021 at 11:09

Posted by: Pewfall (204) 


oh dear Tonker. I quickly corrected de facto by de jure so that is no valid argument. My link is the the current law of the land i.e. legislation.gov.uk. The domain is gov.uk. Gov.uk is the government's up to date website on many things. Try going to legislation.gov.uk itself and you will see it was last updated on 15th October 2021. It quotes "Stay up to date with newly enacted legislation for the UK, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland as it is published to this site using our free subscription feeds, or by browsing new legislation by publication date. All Bills currently before the UK Parliament are listed on the UK Parliament website in the Parliamentary Business, Bills & Legislation section. They are published on this site once they receive Royal Assent..

It follows on to state "Legislation published recently
No new legislation published today
Legislation published on 15th October 2021"

Yes, this Act was passed in 1980. If you look at my link you will see this "Changes to legislation:Highways Act 1980, Section 137 is up to date with all changes known to be in force on or before 15 October 2021. There are changes that may be brought into force at a future date. Changes that have been made appear in the content and are referenced with annotations. Help about Changes to Legislation"

1980 was when the Act was passed. The link shows it is up to date on 15th Oct 2021.

Let me explain and break this down in layman terms to you :The Murder (Abolition of Death Penalty) Act 1965 abolished the death penalty for murder. Just because an Act was passed in 1965 does not make it necessarily defunct or less lawful or relevant due to age as you imply. Law, both civil and criminal is tweaked over time and even repealed, hence the implicit need to keep up to date.

Short version - The link i posted shows the correct 1980 Legislation , on the Government's official Website that acknowledges it is legally current, updated and reflects all tweaks that have passed by Royal Assent up to today's date of Oct 2021.

Tonker's link is an out of date recommendation copied and posted from an "archive" of an old web page.

I am no Poirot, but i have studied various aspects of England & Welsh law and my Higher Education qualifications in the same are fully recognised in the United Kingdom and many countries abroad.

Replied: 16th Oct 2021 at 21:55

Posted by: lectriclegs (4472)

Tonker is NEVER wrong.

Ask Tommy boy (he's his hero)

Replied: 16th Oct 2021 at 21:59

Posted by: tomplum (8045) 

you are another of my hero's too , anyone with a , mickey mouse diploma from ST Helens university as to be special

Replied: 16th Oct 2021 at 22:07
Last edited by tomplum: 16th Oct 2021 at 22:15:42

Posted by: lectriclegs (4472)

Like a moth to a flame.

Replied: 16th Oct 2021 at 22:10

Posted by: tomplum (8045) 

well maybe less of a hero because, you do a lot of, repeating other peoples phrases, have you no imagination ?

Replied: 16th Oct 2021 at 22:14

Posted by: Pewfall (204) 

I'm lost as I certainly have not studied at St Helens University Tom, I didn't think it has ever existed. Also I have many qualifications but none of them are a lowly diploma and ref to Mickey Mouse makes nowt sense in academia to me. Perhaps you were not on about me Tom. Thanks anyway and humble apologies if i did misinterpreted your message. kind regards

Replied: 16th Oct 2021 at 23:01

Posted by: retep1949 (710)

Pewfall,I think Tomplum and Leccy are just having a pop at each other.

Replied: 17th Oct 2021 at 06:00

Posted by: TerryW (6954)

Pewfall. Ignore Leccy he's one of the three plagues of WW, Billy Liar, Billy No Mates and Billy 'I'm not Sledge' honest.

No decent members are safe with these three toerags on the books.

Replied: 17th Oct 2021 at 09:02

Posted by: basil brush (17380)

LL, will you leave the cry baby alone, see what you're doing to him.

Replied: 17th Oct 2021 at 10:26

Posted by: TerryW (6954)

As ifskie.

Replied: 17th Oct 2021 at 14:45

Posted by: dougie (4712) 

PeterP, Back to parking on footpaths, a photo I took a few years ago in Leamington, I asked a traffic warden nicely as you would expect off me for the best place to park 24/7 for a few days without paying, the nice chap told me then said obey this sign or I'll book you (so traffic wardens can book you there)

Replied: 19th Oct 2021 at 13:02

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (8329)

Have a look at THIS and take your pick

It is very naughty to park on a Clearway

Replied: 19th Oct 2021 at 14:53

Posted by: JR (285)

Tonker has a reasonable understanding of parking and obstruction and advises accordingly. However, the police appear to bypass serious obstruction. As an example, travelling west from Wigan through Pemberton just through the lights at the White Swan... there are a few fast food shops. Every day there are are cars and vans parked outside, partly (almost entirely) on the pavement and partly on the road on double yellow lines. Double yellows are there for a reason - particularly safety. The parking causes obstruction to large vehicles but also prevents prams and wheelchairs from a clear passage.. forcing them to divert onto a busy highway. There are several car parks within a very short walking distance so why do they choose to endanger peoples lives and why do they continue to park irresponsible? It's because they are either lazy buggers who eat regularly fast food and really could do with the exercise but can't be bothered or they have no concept of safety for other human beings.

Replied: 19th Oct 2021 at 20:11

Posted by: basil brush (17380)

totally agree, they could park at the back of the travs or the one at the back of wheeltappers, but that would mean them walking

Replied: 19th Oct 2021 at 20:17

Posted by: TerryW (6954)

It's not the end of the world, there are far more pressing matters than bothering about bad parking.

Replied: 19th Oct 2021 at 20:43

Posted by: broady (17423) 

He know doubt SENDS Mrs Brush anyway.

Replied: 19th Oct 2021 at 20:51

Posted by: First Mate (395)

It is important to recognise that in many narrow streets pavement parking is necessary to maintain free-flowing traffic, including for emergency services.

Replied: 19th Oct 2021 at 20:53

Posted by: JR (285)

I acknowledge that partial pavement parking is sometimes necessary on side streets, but on a major highway as I have previously mentioned, safety is being seriously compromised. People with prams and people with wheelchairs shouldn't be forced onto a busy road because the idiot parkers have blocked the pavement.

Replied: 19th Oct 2021 at 22:49

Posted by: whups (7263) 

dont forget the mobility scooter as well .

Replied: 19th Oct 2021 at 23:39

Posted by: basil brush (17380)

well said jr, but, you have "I'm all right jacks" who don't a give monkeys about anyone but themselves, there are double yellow lines on both sides there because its a bottleneck

Replied: 20th Oct 2021 at 08:30

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (8329)

When the police or council have had a 'PURGE' it is probably because they have had a lot of complaints, or there as been an accident, and that road outside of Edge Hill College is 60mph road, and a clearway, yoo don't expect to come across parked cars on it, whilst you are doing 60mph, and if yoo are a pedestrian or a cyclist, or pushing a pram and you have to manoeuvre around parked cars, by going into the road, then it is downright dangerous, the police should be applauded for doing this

Replied: 20th Oct 2021 at 10:27

Posted by: basil brush (17380)

agreed, 2 stroke, but you will always get the lazy ones who will simply drive past.

Replied: 20th Oct 2021 at 12:25

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (8329)

Doo yoo mean lazy police officers ?

Replied: 20th Oct 2021 at 13:22

Posted by: TerryW (6954)

I would suggest those mentioned would use their common sense to manoeuvre themselves around the obstacles. I'm not saying they should have to but that's life.

Replied: 20th Oct 2021 at 14:24

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (8329)

It makes yoo wonder what 'Esther Rantzen' would have done

Replied: 20th Oct 2021 at 16:04

Posted by: JR (285)

Terry, are you suggesting that women with young babies in prams and wheelchair users should endeavour to carefully negotiate a busy main road, having to put their lives at risk because of irresponsible parking? I think everyone needs to seriously revisit the highway code. It is there for a reason - most of it safety.

Replied: 20th Oct 2021 at 19:26

Posted by: TerryW (6954)

What I am saying is that they would have to get around the best they can if they wish to get past. As I say they would use thier Common sense to do so. No choice have they.

Replied: 20th Oct 2021 at 20:20

Posted by: PeterP (8914)

Why do they build footpaths if they are to be used to park cars on I spend more time shoving my wife in the wheelchair going into the road to get passed cars that at times I feel like walking down the road and obstructing the traffic Plod would not be all day removing me from the highway yet let cars obstruct the footpath

Replied: 20th Oct 2021 at 21:42

Posted by: tomplum (8045) 

PeterP I fully understand your frustration, It appears that now, full on the pavement parking is acceptable, On Warrington Road, Goose green, The shared cyclepath/footpath, is now used by cars as a car park, Also near you Peter Bolton road just after the junction with Bryn road South, It only takes one to start a new trend and if no one gets booked, it becomes the 'norm' , If you pushed you missus up Bolton road causing a tailback, You would have the motorists honking and shouting abuse or even attract the lesser spotted PC to tell you to get off the road,

Replied: 20th Oct 2021 at 21:59
Last edited by tomplum: 20th Oct 2021 at 22:03:04

Posted by: basil brush (17380)

so you have go into the road and risk your, and your kids life, just because some inconsiderate idiot has blocked the pavement

Posted by: TerryW (6595)

What I am saying is that they would have to get around the best they can if they wish to get past. As I say they would use thier Common sense to do so. No choice have they.

"Their"

Replied: 21st Oct 2021 at 08:30
Last edited by basil brush: 21st Oct 2021 at 08:31:36

 

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