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Started by: albion (305)

Is it time to shut down Catholic Churches 330 thousand children been found who have been abused.

Started: 12th Oct 2021 at 12:22

Posted by: TerryW (6595)

Why should they be closed here because of what has been happening in France? I know it's happened here, but you can't say all Catholic priests and Clergy are paedophiles, so why?

Replied: 12th Oct 2021 at 12:48

Posted by: albion (305)

not has many here.must be bad nearly all Catholic Churches shutting down St Williams an example.We all know who came from there.

Replied: 12th Oct 2021 at 13:24

Posted by: TerryW (6595)

Don't get your meaning, St Williams wasn't closed due to any abuse claims.

Replied: 12th Oct 2021 at 13:30

Posted by: albion (305)

How do you know.why are they all closing.Church goers are going to be a thing of the past.why.

Replied: 12th Oct 2021 at 13:45

Posted by: TerryW (6595)

I believe St. Bills closed due to the lack of priests, one priest, Fr O'Shea was doing three churches at once, St. Bills, St. Pats and St, Johns, something had to give and the diocese decided to put St Pats and St Johns under the parish name of St. William and the church closed.

Replied: 12th Oct 2021 at 14:02

Posted by: tonker (24051) 

What a brain dead idea that is!
The Muslims would love it. They’d turn Wigan parish church into a mosque. And St. Anne’s at Beech Hill. Oh., and that one next to the roundabout at Poolstock.

They’d have us all wearing a smock, sandals and a little hat.

And a beard!

Replied: 12th Oct 2021 at 14:18

Posted by: albion (305)

if they had taught Religion starting at age around 13 nobody would have belielved it.Try to drum it into you while your a infant.one are two things they said.Fed 5 thousand people with 2 fish and a loaf....Ten commandments all been broken. Turned back the sea.What a load of crap.Thats only for starters.

Replied: 12th Oct 2021 at 15:05

Posted by: tonker (24051) 

It takes an educated mind to understand religion.

Replied: 12th Oct 2021 at 17:44

Posted by: TerryW (6595)

"What a brain dead idea that is!
The Muslims would love it. They’d turn Wigan parish church into a mosque. And St. Anne’s at Beech Hill. Oh., and that one next to the roundabout at Poolstock.

They’d have us all wearing a smock, sandals and a little hat.

And a beard!"

True words.

Replied: 12th Oct 2021 at 18:33

Posted by: jathbee (10923)

Catholic churches are closing for various reasons and abuse isn't one of them.
I agree, abuse within the Catholic church and churches of other denominations too, have occurred.
Lack of congregations and priests and spiraling costs of maintenance are other reasons too.
Albion. Your comments are those of a bigot, in my opinion.
There are members on here who are members of the Catholic Church. I for one find your choice of words distasteful.
By the way Albion. Jesus fed the five thousand with five small barley loaves and two small fishes. If you are going to slag off the Bible, at least take the trouble to get it right.

Replied: 12th Oct 2021 at 18:53
Last edited by jathbee: 12th Oct 2021 at 19:03:37

Posted by: Don GB (388)

Seconded, Jathbee.
Well put.

Replied: 12th Oct 2021 at 18:59

Posted by: TerryW (6595)

I'll second that also. Brought up RC and still am although not a good one.

Replied: 12th Oct 2021 at 19:10

Posted by: sonlyme (2903)

I used to attend the church regularly when i lived in Lowton.Mind you it was the church inn on Newton rd.

Replied: 12th Oct 2021 at 19:15

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Replied: 12th Oct 2021 at 19:16

Posted by: TerryW (6595)

Boo Gerroff!

Replied: 12th Oct 2021 at 19:16

Posted by: jathbee (10923)

Sonlyme. I have attended similar churches like that myself and on many occasions.

Replied: 12th Oct 2021 at 19:25

Posted by: tonker (24051) 

Anyroadup, before slating churchmen, take a look through THIS.
Out of the thousands on there, I'd like to bet there's less than half a dozen church men?

Replied: 12th Oct 2021 at 21:58

Posted by: kathpressey (5347) 

it's no use saying daft things like the parish church will end up as a mosque. The fact is that churches close because of lack of a congregation. If you want to save the Parish church or any other then turn up for services on a Sunday. Mosques seem to be well attended

Replied: 13th Oct 2021 at 09:22

Posted by: albion (305)

Do you beleive that rubbish Jathbee .Tell it to the familys that are useing foodbanks.you know what they will tell you....You have brainwashed and your an idiot.

Replied: 13th Oct 2021 at 12:51

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (8030)

Replied: 13th Oct 2021 at 13:32

Posted by: whups (6927) 

jathbee you must admit that the sexual exploitation of girls & boys is very distasteful .look at the magdalen homes in ireland doesnt shine a good light on the church ? .

Replied: 13th Oct 2021 at 15:17

Posted by: tonker (24051) 

"...... turn up for services on a Sunday. Mosques seem to be well attended"

Exactly. And there's strength in union. That's where the problem lies.

Replied: 13th Oct 2021 at 16:10

Posted by: TerryW (6595)

You won't change the minds of religious people who believe in God no matter how much you try to persuade them it's all rubbish. Maybe they should close the BBC down, after all look who they had on their books and those who have slipped under the radar from there, then we have the politicians, judges, barristers, police, teachers, orphanage staff. The list is endless.

Replied: 13th Oct 2021 at 19:08

Posted by: Platty (532)

TerryW: I think that's a bit harsh. I think the key word is 'spiritual' and although lots of people don't practise or believe, they do find peace in times of stress by using it in various forms.

When I was young, most schools were Christian, you know, RC, C of E, etc., with prayers in the morning and hymns, psalms. You just went along with it. I think people today have more anger and are less tolerant than those days and that is because they have nothing to fall back on.

In 20 years time this country will be predominantly Islam. Many of us on here won't be around, and this country will slowly go backward as their laws take hold. As my mate said 'God help Britain'!

Replied: 13th Oct 2021 at 21:53

Posted by: TerryW (6595)

I don't see where I've said anything "harsh" to be honest.

Replied: 13th Oct 2021 at 22:06

Posted by: Platty (532)

Just what I thought Tez. It's very special to 'some people' () and to say '...try to persuade them it's all rubbish'.
It's a matter of choice and I just thought calling something so important in some people's lives 'rubbish' was a bit extreme. Try persuading the Muslims that God (or Allah to them) is rubbish and God help you.

Replied: 13th Oct 2021 at 22:20

Posted by: tomplum (7875) 

I was brought up in the Catholic religion and in all my life have never met a Priest who has done wrong nor any boys who have complained about a priest BUT, I have encountered several Nuns who have caned me and my friends and many more in the name of discipline and respecting others,
At the time I did't like it but, Look at statistics from those years and how many kids went wrong doing compared with today ?

Replied: 13th Oct 2021 at 22:21

Posted by: Platty (532)

Tommy, you must have deserved it. But look what a nice, polite and a thouroughly good egg you've turned out to be.

Replied: 13th Oct 2021 at 22:25

Posted by: tomplum (7875) 

yes I have and they persuaded many more that being good is the way to go. Now when they banned corporal punishment, things went bad, So we need to open up the Nuns way of teaching again, The Muzzies reward the baddies for blowing up infidels with a seat at the side of Mohamed,
playing with peoples heads is wrong in both ways but, the catholic way is much better for society

Replied: 13th Oct 2021 at 22:32

Posted by: TerryW (6595)

I think you have read my post wrong, Platty. I am not the one saying it's all rubbish, I said others like Albion who are anti religion won't change religious peoples minds by saying it's all rubbish.

Replied: 13th Oct 2021 at 22:45

Posted by: TerryW (6595)

I'm RC by the way, Real Catholic.

Replied: 13th Oct 2021 at 22:48

Posted by: broady (17289) 

A lot of problems over here recently after the discovery of lots of bodies of Indigenous children who were forced into schools which in the main were run by the Catholic Church.

Replied: 13th Oct 2021 at 23:07

Posted by: TerryW (6595)

Same in Ireland, Broady. Babies and young children found in a mass grave at the former Bon Secours (Nuns) mother and baby home for unmarried girls in Tuam, County Galway. From the 1950's I believe.

Replied: 13th Oct 2021 at 23:28

Posted by: whups (6927) 

tomplum did,nt you go to eddie arrows ? .

Replied: 13th Oct 2021 at 23:43

Posted by: jathbee (10923)

Do you beleive that rubbish Jathbee .Tell it to the familys that are useing foodbanks.you know what they will tell you....You have brainwashed and your an idiot.

And you are a rude, bigoted imbecile. No use trying to explain what belief is to someone who can't even spell believe or families.
And can you explain to me what relevance food banks have to with God? It's the people of a godly nature who are running these places of goodness and kindness.
I think we can put the blame for the need of food banks firmly at the feet of those responsible and that is the people who are in charge of this country.
Your reasoning is somewhat confused, to say the least.

Replied: 13th Oct 2021 at 23:52

Posted by: broady (17289) 

Terry W,
I read a report recently that stated 9000 children went missing from Catholic run homes in Ireland in the 20th Century. I am convinced that those who attend Catholic Churches are as appalled, if not more, as the rest of us are. Hard times.

Replied: 14th Oct 2021 at 00:53

Posted by: Platty (532)

Terry: my apologies, it was albion, I hadn't read through the thread correctly, you were picking him up. So same comment directed at albion.

Replied: 14th Oct 2021 at 07:57

Posted by: tomplum (7875) 

whups, yea Eddie Arrows was soft compared with the infants skool I went to Birchley infants at the bottom of Billinge and it was run by the Nuns of Greenfields orphanage ,

Replied: 14th Oct 2021 at 08:35

Posted by: TerryW (6595)

Platty, apology accepted.

Replied: 14th Oct 2021 at 11:26

Posted by: whups (6927) 

well a priest who got done for child abuse who was in his 90s only a few years ago & his name was murphy was the priest at st oswalds for a spell & one of my next door neighbours who maybe about your age told me years ago about "pop murphy" & none of the boys wanted to go to the church because of him "interfering" with them . now i,m sure that this was rife when you were there ? .

Replied: 14th Oct 2021 at 11:50

Posted by: momac (11785) 

You had to be tough to get through St Josephs of Wallgate..the girls as well as the boys.

Replied: 14th Oct 2021 at 11:53

Posted by: tomplum (7875) 

I do remember Father murphy and I never heard any bad of him, to me he seemed a decent fellow, He often came round the skool in the RI lesson
( religious instruction) and gave talks on church matters, If he was that way inclined, I never noticed,

Replied: 14th Oct 2021 at 12:20

Posted by: whups (6927) 

he got jailed for it tom . my next door mate was tony duffy & his brothers all knew about pop murphy .they also went to eddie arrows.

Replied: 14th Oct 2021 at 12:54

Posted by: tomplum (7875) 

I remember Tony Duffy, I was talking to him at Pats funeral, Just goes to show, I'm not very observant,

Replied: 14th Oct 2021 at 13:06

Posted by: bentlegs (4682)

Religion is the root of most of the evil going on,
I Blame Henry the VIII.

Replied: 14th Oct 2021 at 13:26

Posted by: TerryW (6595)

It's people who are the root of evil.

Replied: 14th Oct 2021 at 13:40

Posted by: albion (305)

Whups i know one went to ST WILLIAMS..Lived in the same street has me.Has i said church goers are a dying breed that dont want to admit the truth..

Replied: 14th Oct 2021 at 14:47

Posted by: tomplum (7875) 

I agree that modern living has become less church oriented not helped by the growing number of motorists that have caused the end of Church walking days and festivals but you know what, when death comes close, people start to go more regular in preparation of what might be, Its like they are edging the bet, If there's a better place to go, I wanna be in it,

Replied: 14th Oct 2021 at 14:57
Last edited by tomplum: 14th Oct 2021 at 14:58:36

Posted by: TerryW (6595)

That'll be Simpson from Bird Street then, don't know if he abused anyone from the area though. He was a teacher before coming a priest at Cardy in Hindley.

Replied: 14th Oct 2021 at 15:13

Posted by: TerryW (6595)

Church goers are not a dying breed at all, there are many religious denominations in the UK, Christians, Anglicans, Pentecostals and Orthodox, by Orthodox I mean the The Eastern Orthodox Church, officially the Orthodox Catholic Church, is the second largest Christian church, with approximately 220 million baptised members.

Some ones saying prayers somewhere and visiting their houses of worship.

Replied: 14th Oct 2021 at 15:33

Posted by: TerryW (6595)

Albion will be trying to convince us that there are racist priests next.

Replied: 14th Oct 2021 at 15:41

Posted by: Stardelta (8525)

"Religion is the root of most of the evil going on",

I would be more inclined to say its how certain followers, (generally a very tiny section) of the religion in question choose how to interpret its teachings that is the root of the evil you mention.

Replied: 14th Oct 2021 at 17:29

Posted by: whups (6927) 

it doesnt excuse the abuse tho does it stardelta ? .

Replied: 14th Oct 2021 at 17:42

Posted by: certacito (195)

Karl Marx got it right. Religion is the opium of the people !

Replied: 14th Oct 2021 at 19:48

Posted by: tonker (24051) 

Religion is a tool. Used by 'them men' throughout history!

Replied: 14th Oct 2021 at 20:58

Posted by: bentlegs (4682)

I went to a catholic school until i was 11years old i asked my dad to take me out & find another school the reason was that on monday morning we had a mass register plus the school register, If i had been to second mass i was caned on the had if i hadn,t been atall i got it on the legs & that is why i rebelled & went to Cansfeild, Never been to church since apart from wedings & funerals,

Replied: 14th Oct 2021 at 22:18

Posted by: whups (6927) 

my old man went the same way bentlegs .

Replied: 14th Oct 2021 at 23:50

Posted by: Platty (532)

When I went to school I had aspirations to be an actor, but I fell down a trapdoor during a play and realised it was just a stage I was going through.

Replied: 15th Oct 2021 at 09:44

Posted by: tonker (24051) 

Platty, who knows, you might well have got a part on a well known itv soap!

Replied: 15th Oct 2021 at 10:11

Posted by: PeterP (8829)

I went to St Oswald (now school place) in Ashton and can remember being hit by the nun using a plimsole and my mother going into school to complain because I had red marks on my body days after the event. After we moved we went to Our Ladies and after a run in with the Priest(father O'rouke) we stopped going to mass. Led to believe he liked a tipple or too just like the Vicar at Holy Trinity. I only go to church for weddings/funerals. Neither of my grandsons have been christened and I have never questioned my son or is wife about it.

Replied: 15th Oct 2021 at 10:43

Posted by: albion (305)

Lets face it we are all going to the same place when we die.Theres no special place for Church goers.

Replied: 15th Oct 2021 at 12:19

Posted by: Platty (532)

Albion: how do you know, who came back and told you?

Replied: 15th Oct 2021 at 12:29

Posted by: albion (305)

Platty he arose from the dead dont know of anybody else though.

Replied: 15th Oct 2021 at 12:57

Posted by: TerryW (6595)

Lazarus of Bethany.

Replied: 15th Oct 2021 at 13:30

Posted by: lectriclegs (4382)

And Terry.

Replied: 15th Oct 2021 at 14:35

Posted by: TerryW (6595)

I've never been dead.

More lies yet again.

Replied: 15th Oct 2021 at 14:38

 

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