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Mains park and Worsley mains

Started by: i-spy (15009) 

Why aren't they spelled like that.
And what about Dicconson Street. Only in Wigan

Started: 5th Feb 2021 at 19:23

Posted by: tomplum (7402) 

True Story,
I used to work for a plumber who lived on Mesnes road, He started his own business and called it after his road, Mesnes Heating, He ordered a new van and wanted it painted as Mesnes Heating, When it came it read Mains Heating, So he changed his company name,,

Replied: 5th Feb 2021 at 19:57

Posted by: tonker (23783) 

From Council Website,
Mesnes Park: Interesting Facts -

• Mesnes Park opened to the public in 1927.
• It is the largest park in the town.
• The name Mesnes is derived from the Norman term ‘demesnes’, which refers to the ‘domain’ of the local landowner.
• The park’s football pitches are used by a number of local teams.
• In 1995 the park was extended to the west, creating a contrasting landscape of woodlands, wetlands and grasslands. Today the park has
further increased in area with the addition of the former school playing field.
• When passing through the wooded areas of the park you may spot holes in the tree trunks where woodpeckers have hammered as
they extract insects and create nesting holes.
• The grassland is a developing area, producing a variety of native flora
from May through to September. Species such as Ragged Robin,
Meadow Buttercup and Red Campion are usually the first flowers to
be seen in the early part of the summer.
• The centre houses the Ranger Service and the Pensioners
Association and is open to the public for toilet facilities and sport
changing rooms.
• The park has been awarded the prestigious Green Flag since 2002.
• Much of the woodland areas of the park were planted as part of the Mersey Forest initiative and mainly consist of
Birch, Alder, Willow and Rowan.
• Lying to the rear of the park is the world’s first passenger railway
line, opened in 1830 and linking Manchester and Liverpool.

Replied: 5th Feb 2021 at 20:33
Last edited by tonker: 6th Feb 2021 at 13:12:18

Posted by: i-spy (15009) 

Very interesting but does it answer the question ? I reckon whoever is responsible must have been an early sufferer of dyslexia

Replied: 5th Feb 2021 at 20:44

Posted by: tonker (23783) 

From the council's site, above (if you'd read it you'd've seen it!)
• The name Mesnes is derived from the Norman term ‘demesnes’, which refers to the ‘domain’ of the local landowner.

Mesnes means land 'witheld' by royalty or a major landowner ie: gentry or the church (glebe land)

Tha'sees!

Replied: 5th Feb 2021 at 20:50

Posted by: i-spy (15009) 

In Billinge the response would be COBBLERS and I don't know where that came from either. Maybe Norman wisdom

Replied: 5th Feb 2021 at 20:56

Posted by: tonker (23783) 

In the rest of the World, other than in Billinge, raaaaight, it's common knowledge.
Seriously, I was told about mesnes when I was twenty, by a girl who lived near to Mesnes Park. I asked her, "what does it mean, mesnes, because they have it in Wigan too"!

Explained on T'Wikipedia!

Replied: 5th Feb 2021 at 21:02
Last edited by tonker: 5th Feb 2021 at 21:09:52

Posted by: PeterP (8662)

Tonks where they gas or elect main(mesnes)

Replied: 5th Feb 2021 at 21:06

Posted by: i-spy (15009) 

We could start a meznez campaign

Replied: 5th Feb 2021 at 21:09

Posted by: tonker (23783) 

PeterP, I should imagine the gas and electric mains are where they usually are?

Replied: 5th Feb 2021 at 21:11

Posted by: Platty (421)

Like mezzanine.

Replied: 5th Feb 2021 at 21:19

Posted by: tonker (23783) 

No. A mezzanine is a shelf in a house in a roof space!

Replied: 5th Feb 2021 at 21:29

Posted by: Platty (421)

It has to be half way up the wall on a floor which has a ceiling twice as high as a floor with minimum height.
Not to be confused with flying freehold.
A freehold, of course, is nothing to do with mesnes, or desmesnes. (Because it's in the middle)

Replied: 5th Feb 2021 at 21:47

Posted by: Platty (421)

What were the Normans doing in Wigan Tonks? What was Wigan's original title?

Replied: 5th Feb 2021 at 21:48

Posted by: i-spy (15009) 

Wasn't it something like cockup

Replied: 5th Feb 2021 at 22:47

Posted by: tonker (23783) 

I'm sure the Domesday Book was invented by Nearly Normal Norman back in the 11th century.

Replied: 5th Feb 2021 at 23:52

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (7417)

No !!!!

Norman Normal was a DJ in the 'King of Clubs' in the early 1980s

Replied: 6th Feb 2021 at 00:00

Posted by: chris southworth (592)

The last line on the council blurb,...
Lying to the rear of the park is the world's first passenger railway line,
opened in 1830 and linking Manchester and Liverpool.
No, sorry, wrong Wigan Council. Where do they find these researchers?

Replied: 6th Feb 2021 at 09:24

Posted by: Brasstoff (242)

No, sorry, wrong Wigan Council. Where do they find these researchers?
"Nail on Head" Chris Southworth.
The line that runs near the park was originally the Preston Wigan railway, it was opened in 1838.

Replied: 6th Feb 2021 at 11:37

Posted by: tonker (23783) 

Chris, you're right. It wasn't the "World's first passenger railway" at all.
In reality, it was the World's first "steam powered, scheduled, passenger service".

Replied: 6th Feb 2021 at 11:49

Posted by: TerryW (6276)

I remember two children were hit by a train near the Deanery School in the seventies.

Replied: 6th Feb 2021 at 11:52

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (7417)

What do you remember about that Terry ?

Replied: 6th Feb 2021 at 12:10

Posted by: TerryW (6276)

I remember when it happened and some of the kids from that school saw it, I don't know how the boys got on the line though, saw a people running up the banking possibly teachers, police and ambulance service soon got there.

Replied: 6th Feb 2021 at 12:25

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (7417)

Yes that is what happened, horrible memories of that day

Replied: 6th Feb 2021 at 12:40

Posted by: TerryW (6276)

I'm sure someone came down with a shoe, a bobby a think.

Replied: 6th Feb 2021 at 12:50

Posted by: tonker (23783) 

• When passing through the wooded areas of the park you may spot holes in the tree trunks where woodpeckers have hammered as
they extract insects and create nesting holes.

Hmmmmm. Has any of you ever noticed them? Maybe Mick, or someone, could get a photo of them?

Replied: 6th Feb 2021 at 13:15

Posted by: Aziraphale (245)

Two things:

I didn't know there were football pitches on Mesnes Park, and Mersey Forest initiative? Mesnes Park isn't in the Mersey Basin.

Replied: 6th Feb 2021 at 15:32

Posted by: tonker (23783) 

When they say, "football pitches", they actually mean football PITCH, as there's only one. It's right at the back, next to the "International Olympic Sized Tennis Courts". This is it!

Replied: 6th Feb 2021 at 16:18

Posted by: laughing gravy (7400)

terry i was at gidlow school at the time and knew one of the poor childrens brother also had a mate who lived in gordon close worsley hall who was related to the parents of the other child a very sad time...

Replied: 6th Feb 2021 at 17:05

Posted by: tonker (23783) 

"Today the park has
further increased in area with the addition of the former school playing field."

Would that be Gidlow school playing field?

Replied: 6th Feb 2021 at 17:44

Posted by: laughing gravy (7400)

Tonker I think there's houses now where gidlow school was

Replied: 6th Feb 2021 at 19:16

Posted by: Aziraphale (245)

Mesnes Park opened to the public in 1927. • It is the largest park in Newton Le Willows. • The name Mesnes is derived from the Norman term 'demesnes

Replied: 7th Feb 2021 at 10:51

Posted by: i-spy (15009) 

So does that mean we are pronouncing it incorrectly

Replied: 7th Feb 2021 at 12:48

Posted by: Tommy Two Stroke (7417)

No it means that there is another Mesnes Park in Newton-le-Willows, with exactly the same spelling

Replied: 7th Feb 2021 at 13:40

Posted by: tonker (23783) 

From Council Website,
Mesnes Park: Interesting Facts -

• Mesnes Park opened to the public in 1927.
• It is the largest park in the town.
• The name Mesnes is derived from the Norman term ‘demesnes’, which refers to the ‘domain’ of the local landowner.
• When passing through the wooded areas of the park you may spot holes in the tree trunks where African Green Monkeys have hammered as
they extract insects and create nesting holes.

Replied: 7th Feb 2021 at 15:17

Posted by: i-spy (15009) 

Buggers them monkeys

Replied: 7th Feb 2021 at 16:57

Posted by: Medical Maverick (15)

Many years ago I was watching the local news on ITV, where the young female journalist was explaining about an incident in 'Worsley Meznez.' Seemed hilarious at the time.

I was one of many pupils in the Deanery's playground when that train hit the children, who had lived in the small first street directly after the bridge. The train was blasting its horn and we could hear the brakes screeching, and we as pupils were spared actually seeing the tragedy because of the trees on the school's side of the track. Many teachers ran across to the track, and if I remember rightly one of the teachers had to go to hospital because of severe shock.

Replied: 7th Feb 2021 at 20:09

 

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