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No Power in Spain

Started by: a proud latics supporter (7186)

"The Rain in Spain falls mainly on the Plane"
"How now Brown Cow"
"Red Leather Yellow Leather"

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Started: 28th Apr 2025 at 13:50
Last edited by a proud latics supporter: 28th Apr 2025 at 13:52:48

Posted by: gaffer (8366) 

APLS falls mainly on the plain.

Replied: 28th Apr 2025 at 17:53

Posted by: sonlyme (3471)

Tonker will have blown the spanish national grid.

Replied: 28th Apr 2025 at 18:01

Posted by: Billinge Biker (2971) 

Another backward country...too busy protesting against the Tourists who put money in their pockets.

Replied: 28th Apr 2025 at 20:03

Posted by: gaffer (8366) 

Just before the crash renewables were providing 64% of the energy mix and gas 6%.
The ‘old fashioned’ power systems have mechanisms which allow them to keep running even if there is a shock, such as a surge or loss of power, solar and wind don’t have the same ability.

Replied: 28th Apr 2025 at 22:19

Posted by: tomplum (14451) 

Sonlyme,,, Tonkers gaff is Eco friendly and he uses solar panels so if he was going to Blow anything, It will be the Sun, then we're all shafted,,,

Replied: 28th Apr 2025 at 22:39

Posted by: Big Harold (105) 

It's a good job the power didn't go off in Italy last Saturday otherwise it would have gone down in history as an act of God.

Replied: 29th Apr 2025 at 06:39

Posted by: mollie m (8795) 

I wonder if that's why we haven't heard from Tonker in a few days.

Replied: 29th Apr 2025 at 19:11

Posted by: a proud latics supporter (7186)

Mollie

No internet because of power cut

It is going to happen here too, power cuts, so get panic buying

Replied: 29th Apr 2025 at 20:18

Posted by: gaffer (8366) 

Daily Telegraph

The five seconds that plunged Spain into blackouts
Fresh details emerge about the sequence of events that crippled the country’s grid.
The power cuts that swept across Spain, Portugal and parts of southern France plunged the Iberian peninsula into chaos.
But as fresh details emerge, it seems the cause of Europe’s biggest-ever power cut can be traced back to just five crucial seconds.
Red Eléctrica de España, which manages the Spanish national grid, says the crisis erupted owing to a rapid sequence of events that unfolded at Monday lunchtime.
On Tuesday, the company revealed it was “very possible” that the fault which tipped the system over the edge originated from solar farms in the country’s south-west.
It has ruled out the possibility of a cyber attack, although Pedro Sánchez, the Spanish prime minister, appeared to claim that this avenue of investigation had not yet been closed.
“There are huge amounts of data that we now have to analyse to understand what happened,” Sánchez told reporters.
Whatever the findings, the crisis is sure to offer lessons for the way grids are operated as countries around the world shift to increasingly “electrified” energy systems that will place more burden on infrastructure and rely more heavily on renewable energy sources.
Seconds from chaos
According to Red Eléctrica, at 12.33pm on Monday, the country’s grid was hit by an event similar in nature to a sudden loss of power generation, seemingly in the south-west of the country.
Such disruptions can be serious because supply and demand must be balanced at all times for electricity grids to function, with the system’s frequency used to measure this.
Following the first event, which would have caused the frequency to drop, the Spanish grid’s computer systems reacted instantly to stabilise the network.
But after just 1.5 seconds, another loss of generation occurred. This was followed, 3.5 seconds later, by the failure of the electricity interconnectors linking Spain and France.
That left Iberia isolated from the rest of Europe, preventing grid operators from importing power to restore balance – and triggered a domino effect whereby solar and wind farms automatically disconnected from the grid en masse to protect themselves.
What followed was a cascading effect across the whole of Spain and Portugal as grid systems and generators shut down to prevent any damage.
At the lowest point, the power being generated fell to zero megawatts – a total blackout, and the first of its kind in Spanish history.But what was the initial problem that led to these cascading faults?
At Tuesday’s press conference, Eduardo Prieto, director of operational services for Red Eléctrica, told reporters it was “very possible” that the fault had originated from a solar farm in the country’s south-west.
Data published by the company show that about 70pc of Spain’s solar generation is concentrated in the southern provinces of Andalucia (24.3pc), Extremadura (24.3pc) and Castilla La Mancha (22.2pc).
But one industry expert speculates that the fault could just as easily have been caused by an interconnector in the south-west, for example with Portugal or Morocco, given the way Spanish authorities have described the loss of generation-like event.


Replied: 29th Apr 2025 at 20:54

Posted by: mollie m (8795) 

APLS, yes, that's what I figured. I don't even know if he's over there or not, but he probably is. Can't keep up with him!

What shall I panic buy? If we're off, we're off. Nowt we can do about it. It'll be just like the late 60s/early 70s when we had paraffin lamps, but I'm well stocked up on cangles and I have a gas cooker!

Replied: 29th Apr 2025 at 20:55

Posted by: First Mate (2993)

All that solar power tsk

Replied: 29th Apr 2025 at 22:40

Posted by: mollie m (8795) 



Seriously though, I heard a bit about this on my car radio and it said that it was one of the worst outages recorded. Just imagine how much it will cost long term in places like supermarkets with their fridges and freezers off; people who are on all electric in their homes; offices; and every other place of business. It's a catastrophe for both Spain and, I believe Portugal has been affected as well. Also, what happens to their nuclear power stations if they can't control the cooling pumps, and the water levels drop and the used fuel rods are exposed? I suppose the fire service could help keep pumping the pools with water, but for how long, unless they have back-up diesel generators?

Replied: 29th Apr 2025 at 22:44
Last edited by mollie m: 29th Apr 2025 at 23:26:53

Posted by: retep1949 (1409)

Solar power is the way forward…….tsk!

Replied: 30th Apr 2025 at 06:58

Posted by: First Mate (2993)

Replied: 30th Apr 2025 at 11:06

Posted by: a proud latics supporter (7186)

Mollie said:

"What shall I panic buy? If we're off"

Well I know yoo have a gas cooker, but does it need to be plugged in to the electric for it to work ?

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Replied: 30th Apr 2025 at 14:08

Posted by: cheshirecat (1632) 

The electrics on my gas cooker and oven are there for convenience, not essentials.
So the answer is, no. You don't need to be plugged in to the electric for it to work. Well, not on mine

Replied: 30th Apr 2025 at 14:49

 

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