Not bad for a pension.

The chief executive of HM Revenue & Customs (HMRC) will retire with a six-figure pension despite presiding over the worst customer service levels on record, calculations suggest.
Sir Jim Harra stepped down from his role this month after almost six years in the top job, bringing an end to his 41-year career with the tax office.
Calculations for The Telegraph estimate he will exit the tax authority on a £107,000-a-year pension rising annually with inflation, along with a £278,000 tax-free lump sum.

At least he served for over 40 years . There are some top people in parliament who get that sort of payment for months and other people in the water industry get that as a bonus for allowing raw sewerage to pollute our country

Like Peter said, that's not really a lot compared with some ridiculous amounts given to some who've not done much to deserve it. I don't think they should get that lump-sum though, but he'll have paid his contributions to get that pension. It represents a salary of around £160,000 a year.
My old mate, Tommy (aye, he's dee-ud naaah, reet!) got £62,000 redundancy from t'watter booerd, and he was only a ground-worker! Top bosses at the pit didn't get that much.

Fair play to him if he has contributed to his company pension.

He deserves every penny if he has paid in to it..

I do believe the civil service pension scheme employer contributions are exceptionally good.

Gaffer.
It's not the customer service levels that the HMRC should be concerened about, it's the customers who work cash in hand and avoid paying tax whom they should be concerened about. If they clamped down on that, we would all benefit

Noses in the trough yet again.,..

They're at it in every establishment, BB. However, I thought the phrase "noses in the trough" was reserved for members of the party political brigade?

They are no longer all in the establishment, but now also in all sections of society!

As I said earlier, ".... in every establishment".

And ALL of those can put a good case forward for why, they deserve it then, go on the explain why there's a need to cut benefits and Winter fuel allowance for the plebs,,,,

Cheshire Puss said:

"It's not the customer service levels that the HMRC should be concerned about, it's the customers who work cash in hand and avoid paying tax whom they should be concerned about. If they clamped down on that, we would all benefit"

I don't think being paid 'Cash in Hand' is a problem anymore for the HMRC, because over the last 50 years or so, there as been a move away from 'direct taxation' (income tax) to 'in direct taxation' (vat, duties, stealth taxes etc) in order to tax people on what they spend, rather than on what they earn, and the income tax threshold, personal allowance, at 12,570 takes a lot of those traditional 'cash in hand' workers out of paying income tax, but they put up VAT to 20% to make up for the shortfall in tax receipts, hence shifting the tax collection from 'direct' to 'indirect taxation' because it is nye on impossible to avoid paying 'indirect taxation'

"I don't think being paid 'Cash in Hand' is a problem"
Are you serious, Tommy?

What about the hard workers that are paying direct tax ( PAYE) and they are penalised again because VAT has been raised to 20% to make up for the shortfall in tax receipts!

So, the non declaring cash in hand jobbers avoid paying income tax.

And, as a consequence, the honest, hard working, law abiding people have to subsidise the selfish tax evaders.

Honest worker pays 20% / 40% income tax, plus 20% vat on what they spend.
Cash in hand worker ( assuming they don't declare it! ) Nil income tax, just 20% vat on what they spend!

So do you still think "I don't think being paid 'Cash in Hand' is a problem anymore" ?

VAT is 16.66% of what you spend. Laaaaike!

HMRC another organisation the Tories messed up

Tonker if there are in the UK 3 levels of VAT 20% 5% and 0% how do you work out VAT at 16-66% of what you spend Please enlighten me

Is there anything that the present lot have not messed up in only nine months?

Both as bad as each other and time for revolution at election time!

Peter ...... say you buy an item for £100 plus VAT - you pay the seller £120 ...... You've spent £120 in total. £100 for the item and £20 VAT.
20 is 16.66% of 120.
It follows that the VAT is 16.66% of what you spent.

A VAT registered business owes 16.66% of whatever they take to HMRC, and that 16.66% is not classed as business income, because it never belongs to the business. It's mandatory to register for VAT collection if you take £90,000 a year or more.
A business taking £100,000 a year owes £16,665 to HMRC.

Tonker

But what about the input tax and output tax, as in a seller pays on VAT goods for resale, and then charges VAT on the goods when they are sold, the VAT man, then wants the VAT on the profit made on the VAT of the goods bought for resale, hence that weird VAT calculation

Tonker

But what about the input tax and output tax, as in a seller pays on VAT goods for resale, and then charges VAT on the goods when they are sold, the VAT man, then wants the VAT on the profit made on the VAT of the goods bought for resale, hence that weird VAT calculation

It’s vat on total takings LESS what you’ve already paid out in the course of business.

Tonker I was never into applied maths but all I know is when I buy an item at £100 plus Vat £120 goes out of my pocket not £116-66pence So how Vat calculations work to pay the tax man is beyond me

You are correct, Peter.
All products you purchase are VAT inclusive. And that rate is implemented at 20%

Cheshire Puss

Can yoo doo a VAT calculation, so as to pay the VAT man his dues

I have no need, nor wish to do a VAT calculation.
Mine is done automatically

Well lucky yoo

Lucky?

How can you class someone being honest and paying VAT as being lucky

The lucky ones are those who avoid paying tax and, get away with it

Cheshire Puss

Well there is no need to be grumpy about it.

Come the revolution ..line them all up and shoot them..sorted.

Posted by: a proud latics supporter (7162)
Cheshire Puss
"Well there is no need to be grumpy about it."

Every honest, tax paying citizen has a right to be grumpy about it as it's people like those who have to pay the price for other, selfish individuals personal greed

The only people who are are nort grumpy about it, are the thieving culprits who benefit from it at the tax payers expense.

It's a possibility that if more people paid their dues, then the pensioners heating allowance may be reinstated

Somebody give that cat it's food!

Somebody give that moaning pensioner his free winter holiday money ( aka winter fuel allowance ) back

cheshirecat

If you are having a swipe at me about the comment about the cat, you are wrong again as my comment was not aimed at you and for the record, I have never been on any winter holiday, but I have epresssed concern about the ending of the heating allowance for those elderly who are anything but wealthy and just slightly above where you can claim pension credit!

Evidently, you do not share the same concern!

If its not the purple people eater face, it the distressed cat wanting some food and drink!

Proud Oldham supporter.
Grow up an act like an adult. If you can?

Owdcodger.
I was not having a swipe at you, either?

But if the cap fits, don it

For the record, I am a pensioner. I'm not wealthy, and I cant claim pension credit, nor do I wish to, which I'm extremely happy about.

I have never received any winter fuel allowance benefit as it was taken away before I was eligible, which would have been this winter.

Regarding your comment "Evidently, you do not share the same concern!"

Your only concern is having a swipe at this government at every given opportunity and using the repeal of the winter fuel allowance as a pathetic excuse to have a sly, thinly veiled dig at the present government

And before you mention it, I did not vote Labour in the last election which I have stated numerous times previously.
But the current government is a very welcome breath of fresh air, compared to the last shower.

Anyone working cash in hand not paying tax is just as the same as a benefit cheat.

I couldn't have put it better myself, retep1949.

I suspect there could be some on here who have cheated the system and not declared what they have earned "cash in hand".

And then they complain when the government have to make cutbacks and penalise everybody for the tax dodging cowboys whom are the problem and the root cause of it

cheshirecat

As you keep saying that you did not vote Labour in the last election, why do you get so upset if anyone including myself have been critical of what the present government have done in their only nine months of power?


I have also made comments to the effect that both the two main parties today are now both the same and time has come for a change on the political scene if only to get away from the two party farce of a voting system we have in our country!

I don't get upset when you criticise the present government.

What I do get upset about is totally innocent people getting blamed and punished for other peoples misdemeanours.

Would you like it to happen to you?

I put it too yoo Cheshire Puss, that with the increase in the level of the income tax allowance, whch was implemented a few years ago, that has taken a lot of the people who fiddle their tax out of paying tax, the government getting them to pay tax, by taxing them on what they spend, rather than on what they earn, that as meant that the problem of tax evasion, is not as bad as it once was, because it is easier to make sure that somewhere like Asda pays it's billions in the VAT is has collected for the government, rather than having an army of tax men, chasing your Joe Bloggs window cleaners and such like, who used to fiddle their income tax

Joe Bloggs will still fiddle it even if you doubled or trebled the tax allowance because they are greedy, and the honest tax paying worker and pensioners has to suffer as a consequence

I pay income tax and I also pay VAT.
Joe fiddler Bloggs pays no income tax, only VAT( because he has to do! )

In all honesty, do you think that is fair?

Cheshire Puss

No I don't think it is fair, because folk who didn't pay income tax before the personal allowance was raised, they then had to pay 2.5% more in VAT.

Excuse my ignorance, but I don't understand that statement?

How do they know if Joe Bloggs the self employed plumber / gardener/ painter etc didn't pay tax on their cash in hand jobs?

They don't know how many cash in hand jobs they got away with as it's impossible to police!

CC

The Inland Revenue have an acceptable income level for businesses or self employed people that rely primarily on cash payments for work done. Any significant departure leads to a meeting with the person or persons concerned. At that meeting they are told that they will have an immunity from prosecution if they make a full disclosure of any irregularities in their accounts at the first opportunity.( there is no limit to how far back in time the investigation can go). They are also told that if the IR thereafter find any irregularities they will be able to check any bank account anywhere in the world at the taxpayers expense. In most cases the latter threat results in a full disclosure if there has been any wrongdoing.
At the present time the IR have bigger fish to fry, money laundering through Turkish barbers shops, sunbed salons and similar businesses.
When Lester Piggot was investigated for tax evasion he came to an agreement with the IR to settle for £3 million.
When they received his remittance it was drawn on a bank account he hadn’t declared. It meant a criminal charge that led to a prison sentence.

Cheshire Puss

I am on about the law abiding citizens who do not fiddle their Income Tax, the ones who are only working a few hours a week, and who's earnings are under the Income Tax personal allowance, they ended up paying an extra 2.5% in VAT on items they buy which attract the standard rate of VAT.

I have know people who brag about how they fiddle their tax and people who brag about conning the benefit system and I know people who do both!Everyone knows what is going on.Honesty counts for nothing these days.

Posted by: gaffer (8362) [View gaffer's page]
CC
"The Inland Revenue have an acceptable income level for businesses or self employed people that rely primarily on cash payments for work done"

How do the inland revenue know about these "alleged self employed people" if they don't make their selves known by registering with the HMRC?

Are lot of them may do it clandestinely whilst claiming unemployment / sick benefit or any other benefit that they can get their hands on., or just simply working on the side.