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Photo-a-Day  (Friday, 19th June, 2020)

The Great Survivor

The Great Survivor
I can understand the “Railway” part of the name because it’s near to the old Whelley Loop Line but, where does the “White Lion” part come from?

Photo: Dennis Seddon  (Sony DSC-WX200)
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Comment by: Garry on 19th June 2020 at 04:53

No idea, but could have been an old steam engine shunting coal about.

Comment by: Arthur on 19th June 2020 at 05:39

White Lion was an old mineral tank engine for the coal pit around Haigh and used the Whelly line to and from Rose Bridge sidings.

Comment by: Dennis Miller on 19th June 2020 at 06:20

I may be totally wrong here, but I once read then even though the red rose is considered the emblem of Lancashire because of the Tudors, it is actually the White Lion that is the traditional emblem of the Dukes of Lancaster... it was his battle standard.

Comment by: Mick on 19th June 2020 at 07:00

Originally there were two pubs, the Railway had some bad subsidence because of the coal mining, so they knocked it down and then merged the name with the White Lion.

Comment by: Scholes Malc on 19th June 2020 at 07:43

Its all revealed in a plaque in the beer garden to the rear of the pub
The Earl of Balcarres whilst fighting at the crusades brought a prized White Lion back home to Haigh Hall with him and kept it as pet for many a year – whilst out walking on his estate it became involved with a chase and fight with a large wild boar which culminated in its death close to the lodge at Plantation Gates – both Lion and Boar are buried in a grave at the rear of the pub hence its original name the ‘Lion and Boar’, but the later title was dropped when the railway came along – on the third Saturday in July all the regulars hold a ceremonial dance around the grave whilst dressed as Knights as a tribute to the Lion, and then go on a drunken rampage around Scholes pillaging... finishing of with a quiet game of chess in the Legion

Comment by: Alan on 19th June 2020 at 08:51

1838 Todd tank steam engine is called the White Line and did haul the Lancashire Union railway. Small duties mineral or iron from top lock.

Comment by: MickLD on 19th June 2020 at 09:12

Dennis - could there have been a White Lion pub on the site before the Whelley Loop, and the 'Railway' bit was added afterwards?
Most White Lion pubs in this area take their name from the Holland family, who had a white lion emblem. They got up to all sorts of antics in the Wigan area, in the 13th and 14th centuries.

Comment by: Dennis Seddon on 19th June 2020 at 09:36

Scholes Malc, that’s a brilliant story. I don’t know if it’s true but I don’t care. It’ll do for me.

Comment by: Alan on 19th June 2020 at 09:39

White Lion not white line.

Comment by: Walt(Nth Yorkshire) on 19th June 2020 at 09:41

once again Dennis, brilliant photo owd lad. I think it was called White Lion because it did a ROARING trade back then.

Comment by: janet on 19th June 2020 at 10:00

scholes malc whot a load of rubbish but good effort

Comment by: Terry on 19th June 2020 at 10:01

Scholes Malc. That's a load of nonsense dreamed up by a brewery PR man.
The Earls of Balcarres had nothing to do with the Haigh estate until the 1780s, when a member of the family married one of the Bradshaighs of Haigh.
That was over 550 years after the last crusade was fought.

Comment by: Alex on 19th June 2020 at 10:10

WALT trade was very poor back then. I'll go with train engine.

Comment by: Poet on 19th June 2020 at 10:31

I think Dennis is right in saying the Red Rose came about because of Henry 7th' s will to find a symbol to counter the Yorkist White , but I believe the Lancastrian emblem during the Wars of the Roses was a SS collar .

Comment by: A.W. on 19th June 2020 at 10:31

The White Lion pub in Up Holland refers to the lion on the coat of arms of the Holland Family who were Lords of the Manor in medieval times.

Comment by: Dennis Seddon on 19th June 2020 at 11:13

I think Scholes Malc as been under the influence of a few shades of Monty Python, or maybe just under the influence. It made me laugh though.

Comment by: Terry on 19th June 2020 at 13:10

He most definitely has, Dennis!

Comment by: Mick on 19th June 2020 at 13:49

Only place you can get a sherry and nobody's started yet, maybe its to early in the day.

Comment by: Cyril on 19th June 2020 at 14:21

I'll imagine it will be around thirty years ago when a former landlord of this pub was turfed out by the brewery who was wanting to do a re-vamp, anyhow in revenge he came back one night and smashed every window in the pub, I did know his name at the time, though I can't recall it now, maybe someone shall remember.

Comment by: Mick on 19th June 2020 at 15:02

Welcome back Cyril

Comment by: Garry on 20th June 2020 at 17:41

Someone mention Sherry!

Comment by: Veronica on 21st June 2020 at 10:15

You go behind the bar Garry and serve the sherry's , me and Irene would like them in the 'snug'...

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