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Photo-a-Day  (Thursday, 23rd May, 2024)

Sr Edward Wrightington 1658

Sr Edward Wrightington 1658
With his effigy on top, Sir Edward was a member of The Council of the North.
His nephew and heir Hugh Dicconson was responsible for its erection on the south side of the Chancel in St Wilfred’s Parish Church. Standish.
The Council of the North was associated with Catholicism and was abolished in 1641 just before the English Civil War.

Photo: Colin Traynor  (iPhone)
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Comment by: Your Correspondent on 23rd May 2024 at 09:12

Sir Edward Wrightington (born c. 1580) was an English lawyer and politician who sat in the House of Commons from 1621 to 1622.
Wrightington was the son of John of Wrightington of Lancashire. He matriculated at Brasenose College, Oxford, on 9 February 1594, aged 13. In 1621, he was elected member of parliament for St Mawes, Cornwall. He was a bencher of Gray's Inn in 1637.

Comment by: Jean on 23rd May 2024 at 09:22

It’s Wifrid not Wilfred.

Comment by: Jembo on 23rd May 2024 at 09:28

An interesting shot of local history Colin!

Comment by: WN6 on 23rd May 2024 at 10:05

Yes we all know that Jean, it's clearly a simple typing error, concentrate on the content!
Brilliant picture Colin and a rich history to boot. The Wrightington family are said to be descended from Fitz Orm the son of Orm, a powerful noble in this area in the 12th Century who is credit with founding the church at Ormskirk.

Comment by: Tommyt on 23rd May 2024 at 10:07

It is not a "fred" it is a "frid" .

Comment by: Colin Traynor on 23rd May 2024 at 10:43

This photo is one of two that I sent for possible inclusion on PAD.
The other was of the incredible oak roof construction dating from around 1559, I do hope it appears one day.
Jean you overlooked that I also missed the ‘I’ from Sir, no harm done.

Comment by: Gary on 23rd May 2024 at 12:09

The Council of the North was not associated with Catholicism, but was seen as an arm of the Crown. Founded in 1484 by Richard iii, it brought a form of justice to the northern parts and formed a link with the Royal Courts of Justice in London. It sat at York.
The last Resident had been Thomas Wentworth, Earl of Strafford, very much the king's man and anti the Parliamentary rebels. It was broken up in 1641.
York was beseiged by Parliamentary forces and the Scots army in 1644, relieved by Prince Rupert's royalist army, fresh from sacking Bolton and Stockport, approaching York unexpectedly from the north - having crossed the River Ure at Boroughbridge. Not following local military advice he immediately tried to engage the parliamentary forces in open battle at Marston Moor and was defeated. York held out for a few days but finally surrendered, leading to parliamentary horses being stabled in York Minster.

Comment by: John(Westhoughton) on 23rd May 2024 at 12:23

Interesting Colin I’m sure you would make a great historian.Hopefully Dave has sorted the gremlins out.

Comment by: Colin Traynor on 23rd May 2024 at 12:51

Gary you are correct, I was getting mixed up with The North being associated with Catholicism rather than the Council itself.
The Council of the North was an administrative body first set up in 1484 by King Richard III of England, to improve access to conciliar justice in Northern England. This built upon steps by King Edward IV of England in delegating authority in the north to Richard, duke of Gloucester (i.e. before Richard himself became king), and in establishing the Council of Wales and the Marches.
It was based in Yorkshire throughout its history: first at Sheriff Hutton Castle and at Sandal Castle, and then at King's Manor, York. Henry VIII re-established the council after the English Reformation, when the north became identified with Roman Catholicism. It was abolished in 1641.
All quite fascinating I think you would agree that so many locals in the past were associated with National Politics and events.

Comment by: Wigan Mick on 23rd May 2024 at 14:30

I feel sorry for Cyril, now with having all these clever clogs on here now, because hes got nothing to Google.

Comment by: Colin Traynor on 23rd May 2024 at 15:08

I overlooked to to say that the effigy on top was carved out of marble, perhaps Italian, it must have cost a small fortune in those days.
Also I wonder if Sir Edward Wrightington has any descendants around today who are aware of this beautiful monument to their ancestor.
If anyone might know, it would be Winnie if she is looking in.

Comment by: John (Westhoughton) on 23rd May 2024 at 15:19

Mick I definitely won’t be paying for knee replacement like the woman I spoke about at Wrea Green she must’ve had loads of money,sorry to go of the subject Colin.

Comment by: Colin Traynor on 23rd May 2024 at 15:32

Wigan Mick, your comment surprises me, I thought you would have had more respect than that for the effort put in and my interest in local history and sharing it with others.
Cyril is a wonderful contributor and his comments are always appreciated and acknowledged by myself as have been yours. Please show some respect.

Comment by: WN6 on 23rd May 2024 at 16:06

I think Colin put a spoke in Mick's wheel or the chain has come of his bike.

Comment by: Irene Roberts on 23rd May 2024 at 16:36

Well said Colin. I haven't commented on today's photo because to be honest the subject is a little bit over my head....I don't know a lot about history that far back, but I respect those who do. But Cyril is a very kind man who is a wonderful contributor, as you say, and the comment annoyed me too. There was no need for it. I have been the recipient of similar snipes but if you retaliate you become "the accused" in certain peoples' eyes. That's why I didn't mention it until someone else did.

Comment by: Chris Eccleston. on 23rd May 2024 at 16:54

Well said Irene. I also haven't commented on today's photo because to be honest the subject is also way over my head, I also don't know a lot about history that far back, but I respect those who do, and from what I see posted, Cyril knows is stuff when it comes to old Wigan.

Comment by: Colin Traynor on 23rd May 2024 at 17:06

Irene, many thanks for your comment, I am no clever clogs by any means leaving tommy more with nowt, only what I could learn from the University of Life!
Never met Cyril but you can tell from his and other peoples comments what kind of character they are and Cyril does seem a true gentleman.
Yourself Maureen, Veronica, and Helen clearly are Ladies with an open outlook to life with a wider interest.
Yes I Google for information, its my natural curiosity to discover more but I also get out and about on my feet, talk to people everywhere I go to find out their thoughts on what I see and photo.
Particularly since retiring I have found time to read books on local history. Not everyone is interested in history I know but some do appreciate the pictures and the story behind them as I do other peoples postings.
Thanks again, I needed that.

Comment by: T. D. on 23rd May 2024 at 18:44

Finding local people involved in historical events is fascinating Colin. No doubt your photograph and information has inspired people to learn more. Hugh must have used a fair chunk of his inheritance on his project in Saint Wilfreds. I found some later stuff about his sons and the Jacobites particularly interesting.
Good photo.

Comment by: . Ozy . on 23rd May 2024 at 20:03

Wikipedia is an excellent source of information … of that there can be no argument , and I note that most of the information above has been quoted verbatim from Wikipedia .

Cyril , a chap that I’m not personally acquainted with , is also in my opinion an excellent contributor , and not unlike the rest of us tends to use Wikipedia as a source of his information … so no problem there as far as I’m concerned .

So far so good then .

But please note … I’m saying much the same here basically that Mick has just said … just using different words … that’s all … So what exactly IS the problem ?

I don’t for a moment think that Mick was being disrespectful to anyone .

Mick isn’t a pretentious bloke , this much I know for fact , and in my view he was merely speaking his mind , and for that alone he earns my respect at least .
How about this for an idea … instead of subscribing to the school of paranoia , like many on here , why not give the bloke at least half a chance eh ?
He’s only been back a couple of days for Christ’s sake and the knock Mick brigade appears to have already begun transporting munitions to the front lines .

Shangri -La being the primary target presumably .

Do us all a favour and give it a rest why not .

Comment by: Cyril on 23rd May 2024 at 21:52

Mick, it's good having a Google and I'm sure plenty other folks including yourself do too, Dostaf was the Google king and he even got a sick note off his doctor saying he was suffering from Googleitis.
You're right too Colin history is interesting and there's some good info on the sarcophagus from yourself and Gary.
Thanks for your words Colin, Chris and Irene too, though I doubt Mick was meaning any harm, he just likes having a dig at folks.
I don't know all that much about old Wigan, there are folks who know more, such as Ron or Andy, there's Peter too and he's got a lot of old maps.

Comment by: Irene Roberts on 23rd May 2024 at 22:55

Easy to say, Ozy, when you are not the target of his words, as I have been many times and I am certainly not "paranoid". Yesterday I innocently mentioned "the close-knit community of Wallgate" only to have my words thrown back at me about how that "close-knit community" had stared at him and his mates in a pub until they left ....they probably stared because the lads were under-age, as Mick openly admitted. I then tried to show friendliness to him after his long absence by adding a story of how that had also happened to me and my friend ....was that not "giving him half a chance"? I tried to but failed. The sarcastic comment he used against Cyril need never have been said.....so what was the point of it ? He too needs to "give it a rest". And I too am only "speaking my mind"....do I not deserve respect for that as well? It would appear not. Perhaps I should leave Wigan World if I am not allowed to stick up for an innocent person, so that's me done!

Comment by: Wigan Mick on 24th May 2024 at 05:53

Stay calm Irene stay calm, you wouldn't be much good to the country if it was 1940.
I agree with what Ozy is saying but if it turns out I'm wong please accept my apothtrophys.

Comment by: Irene Roberts on 24th May 2024 at 09:10

I just felt your remark about Cyril was unfair, Mick, that's all, and there wasn't only me who commented on that. I don't know if you know Ozy personally but I have known him for more than 50 years and don't want to fall out with him or stop going on p-a-d, which I love, but it just seemed to be ME who copped it when other people had said exactly the same thing, but thankyou for your reply.

Comment by: . Ozy . on 24th May 2024 at 12:35

Perhaps you’d care to explain how you came to the conclusion that it was yourself that had copped it Irene .

It appears there are a number of individuals on here that possess the uncanny ability to read my mind .
I see I’m going to have to be more careful what I’m thinking about in future with so many savants on the site .

Comment by: Irene Roberts on 24th May 2024 at 14:17

Yes, I can explain Ozy. The reason I thought it was meant for me is because I was one of three people in the above post who commented about Mick's remark concerning Cyril. Out of those three people I am one who has been mentioned as a perpetrator in the "Knock Mick Brigade" in the past and the other two commenters haven't, and that's why I thought the finger was pointing at just ME. If it wasn't then I was in the wrong to surmise that and I apologise. Perhaps we all "read" remarks differently, and what sounds rude to one reader sounds perfectly okay to another. Thankyou for replying.

Comment by: . Ozy . on 24th May 2024 at 16:52

Irene , as you are aware , Mick has been absent from this site for quite some time , and during this period , many comments , particularly those favourable to Mick or those posted by unfamiliar names such as Sylvia from Bognor Regis or Abram Alice , and a host of other names which I have long forgotten , have been unfairly attributed to Mick … now would you consider that kind of nonsense to be fair play ?

It would appear to be
water off a duck’s back as far as Mick’s concerned , but I find it irritating , and bordering on the paranoid .

Other posts over the years have even touched upon the nationality of his wife , which to me is totally unacceptable .

Now If I have upset you with my comments then I apologise , but in my view , after years of suffering what I consider to be unwarranted abuse , Mick has more right to feel aggrieved than either yourself or any other person on this forum .
If you disagree with any of the above , I feel confident that you’ll let me know , but in the meantime , I’m prepared to leave it at that and watch future comments with interest .

Regards . Ozy

Comment by: Irene Roberts on 24th May 2024 at 18:28

Thankyou Ozy. I have to stick up for myself a little as I have previously been called "Miss Grammar School Knickers" by Mick! (although no-one on here is better or more articulate than yourself in your flawless grammar.....it is a joy to read your words), and I have to say that that upset me as I have never once criticised either him or anyone else on their grammar or spelling because I realise that not everyone has that command of English, in the same way that I myself can't change a plug, drive a car or add two numbers together! It made me sound as if I had criticised his grammar which is certainly not the case and I found it hurtful and perhaps made me a bit "on the defensive" where he is concerned. As far as his wife is concerned, however, I can honestly say I have never heard anything about her nationality and hadn't realised there was a problem there.... to be honest, I didn't even know if he was married. A person's nationality is neither here nor there to me. Cyril doesn't seem to have taken Mick's comment to heart so maybe I shouldn't have done so, but there wasn't only me who it upset, and I wasn't the first person to comment. However, I am glad you got back to me as I wouldn't like to lose your friendship after all these years. Thankyou.

Comment by: . Ozy . on 24th May 2024 at 22:25

So what’s the problem with being called miss grammar school knickers Irene ? … would you be prepared to accept the possibility that you may be a tad bit oversensitive at times ?

And with regards to criticising Mick’s spelling , there can’t be a person on this planet more culpable than myself in that respect .

Mick’s led a colourful interesting and productive life ,… far more interesting than mine anyway . So what does it matter if he can’t differentiate between there , their and they’re ,… or were , we’re , where or ware .

They all soundt’ bloody same to me is his constant response .

Well they all soundt’ same to me an’ all , but as we all know , they all have a different meaning .
The words As and Has also have their own place in English grammar , although many don’t appear to have the ability to use them in their proper place . But enough of grammar .

As you don’t appear to be aware of the fact , Mick is married to a very pleasant Chinese lady … I feel sure he won’t object to me saying this , and if I felt inclined to trawl through pages of p.a.d.s I could furnish posts that you may not have seen that could be construed as being racist in that respect …
A title that I was almost inadvertently labelled with recently due to a misunderstanding .

I think the comment dates back a few years to the photo of the ugly bronze woman at Wigan pier .

As I currently have a little free time on my hands , I’ll try to find it and bring it to your attention .

I’ve had top weight on today Irene and I’m feeling a bit knacked , so I’m off to mi cot now .

As always , best regards Ozy .

Comment by: Veronica on 25th May 2024 at 07:55

Another photo with the spotlight re- directed to AAM!..Irene my friend you have nothing to apologise for.
Ps if you have seen the film “ All About Eve “ you will know what I’m on about. There’s a famous quote in it about ‘ bumpy rides’..
Apologies to Colin for deviating again and for his efforts in finding a ‘local history’ photo for PAD.

Comment by: Irene Roberts on 25th May 2024 at 08:38

Ozy, I think you've just missed my meaning! Being called Miss Grammar School Knickers only annoyed me because it sounded as if I had criticised Mick's spelling and grammar , and the point is I HADN'T, nor anyone else's either....I don't do that. If I HAD criticised him I would have accepted the title he gave me, but I hadn't uttered one word on the subject. I truly haven't seen any comments regarding Mick's wife unless I have read them and it hasn't "clicked" with me who they were about and I have no doubt that she is a lovely lady, Anyway, nice to hear from you and I hope you had a good night's sleep.

Comment by: Dick Dastardly on 25th May 2024 at 09:52

Irene , no doubt you've seen the film , 'Gaslight' .

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