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Photo-a-Day  (Friday, 24th November, 2023)

Warp and Weft

Warp and Weft
Public art feature titled "Wigan Warp and Weft" by Adrian Moakes. Erected in 2002 it represents the inter-relationship and co-operation of past industries, and is a symbol of growth for the future.
Colin Traynor requested a photo of this, so here it is! I did take a photo of it on 12th April 2008 so took it from the other side this time.

Photo: Brian  (iPhone)
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Comment by: Derek Platt on 24th November 2023 at 03:33

Another non sensical sculpture. Just like the silver head, and include the Billy Boston Statue which is nothing like him.

Comment by: Helen of Troy on 24th November 2023 at 07:25

I don't understand why these 'art installations ' are not kept clean. This is quite attractive but spoilt by that damp green slime.

Comment by: PeterP on 24th November 2023 at 07:48

A modern take on a Tee pee but I bet its been used has a toilet by many a dog/human over the years

Comment by: Poet on 24th November 2023 at 07:51

At least it matches with the bent railings .

Comment by: Irene Roberts on 24th November 2023 at 08:05

I would never have known that was anything to do with the warp and weft of weaving....it's not much of a symbol of ANYTHING if we have to be told what it is. Sorry, but that's a waste of time and money. Something in the shape of a cotton-mill shuttle would have given a clue, at least to the older generation, as to what it was representing, and could have been explained to the younger generation had they been interested. If my grandson had asked me what the above was meant to be I would have been as lost as him!

Comment by: Veronica on 24th November 2023 at 08:35

I’m not into modern art at all. I can’t see warp and weft in that. A child could do better I think. If it’s meant to be raw cotton in the first stages even that fails. It’s the first I have seen it… I can imagine the furore when it was ‘unveiled’. “Each to his own”.

Comment by: bob on 24th November 2023 at 08:37

Sorry , but is the fence part of the Warp

Comment by: Garry on 24th November 2023 at 08:50

Means nothing to me.
And nothing to past industries and growth for the future.

Comment by: Alan on 24th November 2023 at 08:52

A load of junk once again, no style and design. Pointless.

Comment by: Arthur on 24th November 2023 at 08:54

Another laughing stock for Wigan and Wiganers.

Comment by: Colin Traynor on 24th November 2023 at 09:04

Thanks Brian, unlike The Face, which has at least some recognisable meaning, like or loath it, to my mind this represents nothing, no more than a pile of junk left over from a building demolition. Does this make me a philistine?
The country is littered with this kind of so called 'Street Art'. To me it represents councils with more money than sense trying to prove that they have a modern outlook to art. There would be more meaning in a Mop and Bucket.

Comment by: Colin Traynor on 24th November 2023 at 10:21

PS. I think that Cherry Picker in the background has more aesthetic appeal. An engineering work of art and human ingenuity that I could marvel at all day as it articulates its arm towards the sky and then retracts into a compact foetal position.
I bet more people have stopped and looked at that dent in the fence discussing what could have happened and its true meaning in a modern world than have read the plaque!

Comment by: Veronica on 24th November 2023 at 10:50

I have looked up the Artist of this ‘project’ and it looks like he is more of a creative engineering designer. He’s done other things that look better than this one. I imagine he started off designing elaborate garden gates. Just my opinion and this bunch of pointed steel would have been more appropriate outside a steel works if anything! And I’m sure that would be an insult.

Comment by: Poet on 24th November 2023 at 10:55

That's right Colin , it certainly forces the viewer to ponder on the inter relationship between car bumper and fence and is above all symbolic of the driver's culpability when reversing without looking in the mirror .
Heavy stuff .

Comment by: Molly on 24th November 2023 at 11:20

Warp and weft are the two basic components used in weaving to turn thread or yarn into fabric. The lengthwise or longitudinal warp yarns are held stationary in tension on a frame or loom while the horizontal weft is drawn through and inserted over and under the warp, says Wikipedia.
So its not only a piece of beautiful sculpture its also educational, showing Wigan younger generation what Wigan was famous for, just like the Billy Boston statue and the pit man family who are stood in the cold outside of Wigan baths.

Comment by: Polly on 24th November 2023 at 11:54

Been there 21 years and you are only just moaning.

Comment by: Veronica on 24th November 2023 at 12:01

It’s nothing like anything that’s been weaved! A sack full of fluff would have given more information about the work in a cotton mill.!!! It’s certainly NOT educational. Just another
‘arty farty’ lump of steel. I can’t see anybody linking that sculpture with a cotton mill.
It’s not even in the same class as the family ‘out in the cold’ either - or the Billy Boston statue which both are in my opinion works of art…
( even if not quite a Billy Boston look alike it shows his muscles to perfection)

Comment by: Irene Roberts on 24th November 2023 at 12:23

Many people who are still alive and well in Wigan worked in the local cotton mills and know perfectly well how cotton is woven but I doubt any of them would have known this even represented warp and weft. Yes, the mining family statue speaks for itself, as does the rugby statue showing Billy Boston; they both say what Wigan is known for and proud of, but the above sculpture says absolutely nothing....how many people on here would have passed it and known what it represented? It would have made more sense to have a sculpture of a pie....at least people would have known what it was!

Comment by: Jean on 24th November 2023 at 12:30

'Molly' strikes again.but in another form.

Comment by: Mr Woo on 24th November 2023 at 12:32

Malc will have hired that Cherry-picker to clean all the street art around town, and also The Face that cost more than a thousand ships on the 'I don't Believe it Square' he'll have to get a Ukulele and wear a big grin too whilst singing 'When I'm Cleaning Street Art'

They can only understand 'up and over' in Wigan Molly even with all the cotton weaving that's happened over the years, and though the council has rid the town of cloth caps and whippets - pipes have been replaced with vapes

Comment by: Colin Traynor on 24th November 2023 at 12:39

Poet, Warp and Weft my............ Unlike that fence which exudes a kind of existential surreal message of how a thing of beauty and safety can succumb to a meaningless act of violence in the age of the Automobile.
I think it should be removed and put on a plinth of marble at the top of Standishgate as an example of Wigan life in the early 21st Century for future generations to marvel at.
Perhaps though first it should start world tour at the Tate Modern London, New York, Bilbao and Tate Modern Liverpool? That would bring tourist to Wigan eager to see the place of its birth and the environment which formed and led to its creation. I can almost read that on the Plaque!
I once visited Tate Modern Liverpool and was amazed at all those gullible people staring at blank canvases, piles of bricks, and meaningless chunks of junk deep all in conversation and thought on the merits of each. I walked along behind muttering Rubbish, Rubbish, Rubbish.
Yes I suppose I must be a Philistine.

Comment by: Helen of Troy on 24th November 2023 at 13:01

Here in darkest Norfolk we must be due for some 'levelling up ' cash because we are deprived of modern street art, ie we haven't got any ......thank the Lord.

Comment by: RON HUNT on 24th November 2023 at 14:08

Just realised where it is?? I must have driven past it hundreds of times but I've never noticed it?

Comment by: Veronica on 24th November 2023 at 14:16

Exactly Jean…my thoughts too.

Comment by: Colin Traynor on 24th November 2023 at 15:26

Helen, many of my in-laws live on the Fens, I am coming down to Norfolk in 2025 for a Wedding at Oxnead Hall. Spent many happy times in Norfolk from Kings Lynne, Wells next the Sea and Cromer, but I digress.
You did say that you found it quite attractive. If you like I could have the Warp and Weft thing unbolted and bring it down for your garden, I think most of todays contributors would contribute to the cost. It would brighten up those dark winter nights when illuminated and be popular with the neighbours?
Come to think of it though, I am sure that Norfolk had thousands of these 'Objet D'art' things during WW2 to stop German Tanks rolling up on the beaches!!!!!

Comment by: Colin Traynor on 24th November 2023 at 15:34

Well Brian, that bit of pretentious Warp and Weft nonsense stirred a few things up!

Comment by: Veronica on 24th November 2023 at 16:25

I might not see warp and weft in the ‘sculpture’ but I can see a couple of posts with warped ways of thinking.

Comment by: Andrew on 24th November 2023 at 16:40

Now boarding at all stations to Negativity!
Calling at Moaning , Groaning and Misery !
Good day Mr Scrooge
Humbug , what’s good about it . People like you should be locked up with all your smiling and wishing folk good cheer ! I bid you farewell sir .

Comment by: Garry on 24th November 2023 at 17:00

And Mr Woo aswell, Jean and Veronica.

Comment by: . Ozy . on 24th November 2023 at 20:02

My monthly bank statement reveals that a sum of £ 114 .00 has recently been transferred from my bank account … ( for transferred read sequestered) ,… into the coffers of Wigan council. This occurs on a monthly basis by the way .
Now I consider myself to be a reasonable bloke , and as I’ve rarely , if ever received owt for nowt , then I grudgingly … very grudgingly in fact …. consider this to be acceptable .

I don’t object to paying for street lighting , street cleaning , ( if that actually happens these days ) , filling in potholes etc. … and I don’t actually object to smackheads being given board and lodging at the Oak hotel at my expense , as keeping pond life off the streets must also surely come with its own price tag .
What I do object to however ( amongst a few other things ) is that my money is being wantonly splurged on garbage like the above.
( without my prior knowledge or permission that is )
The likes of which can be purchased any day of the week at Calderbank's yard for a tenner or less .

I find this all extremely frustrating .
If you vote for the bar stewards that make up Wiggin council , then you’ll ultimately end up with another pile of scrap metal heaped up at the side of the road … albeit in a somewhat artistic fashion … if you don’t vote for any of these dimwits , or indeed any of the other slack jawed pillocks that throw their caps into the ring , then you’ve automatically ticked the ‘ not entitled to complain ‘ box .

Go figure that one .

Great system this innit ?

Comment by: Irene Roberts on 24th November 2023 at 20:19

Are there no prisons? Are there no workhouses? Are there no cotton mills? Well, if there ARE cotton mills but we have to rely on that sculpture to know what warp and weft are, then God Bless Us, Every One!

Comment by: DTease on 24th November 2023 at 21:55

I wonder if Adrian knows about the appalling lung disease that resulted from the warp and weft that was breathed in by thousands of unsuspecting Mill workers? Warp and weft that accumulated in their lungs where it slowly rotted and destroyed the lungs it was in?
Would he know about the endless, miserable, pain filled nights spent coughing and gasping in a vain effort to get just a little bit more oxygen into those ruined lungs?
Not Adrian’s fault of course, but not something we need to celebrate.

Comment by: DTease on 24th November 2023 at 22:10

£114 a month for a rusty Air Raid Shelter Ozy? They must have seen the AGA through the open door!
You’ll have to keep them exotic alcoholic beverages under the bed in future Ozy.
If you need any help disposing of the evidence Ozy I’m always available

Comment by: Arthur on 24th November 2023 at 22:28

Good night everyone.

Comment by: Colin Traynor on 25th November 2023 at 08:16

Good morning everyone.
Nothing like a bit of banter to get the opinions flowing.
Hope everyone enjoyed exercising their grey cells by putting in their penny worth.

Comment by: Veronica on 25th November 2023 at 08:33

My mother one of thousands God rest her soul died aged 63 from diseased lungs after working in the cotton mill from leaving school.
She always came home covered in the cotton waste. Little did we know what the cotton did to the lungs.
I still can’t link the steel prongs to the warp and weft. I can link the warp and weft to the tapestry of life though and how it frays at the edges until we are no more!

Comment by: Colin Traynor on 26th November 2023 at 12:21

Sad to hear that story Veronica, what with the Cotton Mills and the Coal Mines, Wigan paid a heavy price for its hard working class.
Perhaps they will put a celebration modern work of Art celebrating Turner Bros. Asbestos! I thing not unless its something decent to commemorate all those who died miserably or are still suffering.

Comment by: Wigan Mick's Bike's Right Pedal on 26th November 2023 at 17:08

I get the feeling that there's a mix-up here. Warp and Weft relate to the weaving of fabric, where this 'artwork' (?) appears to represent the spinning of the yarn used as warp and weft in the fabric production process.
Could it be that the creator of the piece, or perhaps the creator of the title plaque, didn't know the ins and outs of the industry or the difference in a cotton mill and a textile factory?

Comment by: DTease on 4th December 2023 at 23:21

“Warped and Left” would have been a better name.

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