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Photo-a-Day  (Sunday, 11th June, 2023)

Memorial Plaque


Memorial Plaque
Ince.

Photo: Mick Byrne  (Panasonic DMC-TZ100)
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Comment by: George (Hindley) on 11th June 2023 at 00:13

Of course, not all Ince members of HM Forces, killed in WW2, are named. Not even all Ince members of HM Forces, killed in WW2 and buried in Commonwealth War Graves in Ince Cemetery are mentioned.

Comment by: PeterP on 11th June 2023 at 07:37

Least we forget

Comment by: Rev David Long on 11th June 2023 at 08:15

You're right, George. There's a discussion about it under the image of the original plaque in the Album (item 12088).
The original plaque still exists - on the wall of The Squirrel at the top of Ince Green Lane.
When we replaced the WW2 memorial at St Mary's in 2002 (the original stone tablet on the outer West wall of the original church was lost when it was demolished), additional names were added - including those buried in The Ince UDC Cemetery on Warrington Road. That Memorial, along with the WW1 plaque now sits on the inside South transept of Christ Church, following the closure of St Mary's.
I still think the full list of WW2 names should be added to the WW1 memorial in the cemetery.

Comment by: Bryan Traynor on 11th June 2023 at 08:28

David Causey killed when HMS Cassandra was torpedoed on the way to Murmansk December 1944.He was 20.

Comment by: Cyril on 11th June 2023 at 14:40

There's a few with the same surname, brothers or other family members perhaps, or maybe not related. Thanks for your informative comment David, maybe a full list will be added one day, and a great pity the memorial stone tablet from the original church of St Mary was lost.

I've read somewhere that the Peal of Bells are from a Carillon machine implemented as stated on the plaque . Apparently a Carillon was and still is the norm at a lot of churches.

Comment by: Cyril on 11th June 2023 at 17:42

Re. Peal of Bells.
David, on your PaD of St Michael and All Angels, Dalton, on 11 December 2019, which too has a similar plaque, in your comments you mentioned about Christ Church maybe having a recording of bells too, other folks then commented confirming it was a recording.
https://www.wiganworld.co.uk/photoaday.php?photo=2019-12-11

Comment by: Rev David Long on 11th June 2023 at 18:37

As far as I know it was a record player and an amplifier - a number of churches locally had them installed (St Thomas Ashton, St Michael Dalton) as WW2 memorials. None are still functioning as far as I know. I don't know why the inscription was kept in this form since the machinery was long disused when the new tablet was erected. It should read: A peal of bells in this tower was dedicated...' I think they should also have omitted the names of those responsible from the bottom - I've never seen a similarly self-aggrandising inscription on the hundreds of memorials around the country I've recorded... apart from the repeat to be found on a brass plaque inside the church.
As far as I can discover from Dr Eric McPherson's WW2 'Roll of Honour', only George and Thomas Barton were brothers.

Comment by: Helen B on 11th June 2023 at 19:03

@ Bryan Traynor
David Causey was a distant cousin of mine.

Comment by: Cyril on 11th June 2023 at 22:27

The size of the font makes the councillors names stand out far more than the names of those war heroes the plaque is intended to honour.

I suppose with the equipment being in the towers it would have been a pain having to keep go up there to play a record, plus the dust and probably pigeon droppings to contend with, also the parts would have become obsolete, though apparently they are making the valves for amps again and for record players to play the vinyl records that have become popular, said to do with sound quality you get with valves.

Comment by: Rev David Long on 12th June 2023 at 07:21

The equipment would be at ground level, Cyril - with cables running up to the loudspeaker horns in the tower. That was the system at my home church in Kirkby, anyway.

Comment by: Helen B on 13th June 2023 at 07:43

@ Bryan Traynor
David Causey was a distant cousin of mine.

Comment by: Neil Cain on 16th June 2023 at 16:04

Tommy Holland killed at the Mareth Line North Africa 1943. Father Richard killed W.W.1. Rest in Peace.

Comment by: Rev David Long on 17th June 2023 at 20:48

Record for his father - on St Mary's WW1 Memorial, and the Ince Cemetery Cross:
Holland, Richard, Pte. 11371, 6th Batt. Border Regt.,
Baptised, St. Mary’s, Lower Ince, Enrolled Wigan.
Lived 8 Parliament Street
Husband of Alice (nee Hitchen, 5 Lancaster’s Row, W’ton Rd.),
Son of Joseph, Collier, and Alice, of Kays Houses
Killed in action, Gallipoli, Monday, 9th August, 1915, age 25
Mem: Helles Memorial, panel 119 to 125, or 222, or 223
Son Thomas killed Tunisia, 22/3/43.

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