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Photo-a-Day  (Wednesday, 2nd December, 2015)

Mesnes Park


Mesnes Park
Wide angle shot from top of steps.

Photo: Danny Staff  (GoPro 4 Session)
Views: 3,402

Comment by: Garry on 2nd December 2015 at 07:42

Nice shot if it wasn't leaning to the right. Good effort though!

Comment by: JJP on 2nd December 2015 at 08:29

A van driver once asked me "where is MES - NES street". I pointed out that the address on the drivers document was actually pronounced 'MAINS St', the chap said "shocking typist in our office"

Comment by: Garry on 2nd December 2015 at 08:48

Mains St or Worsley Mains sounds much better than Worsley Mesnes.
Anyone outside Wigan says MES NES instead of Mains, because thats how it's spelled.

Comment by: Neil Cain on 2nd December 2015 at 09:27

Why throw out the historic derivation of the name to please outsiders?

Comment by: maggie on 2nd December 2015 at 10:10

Thank you for this. I am having such a rough time at present, & to see this which brings back such happy memories of my childhood does help a lot.

Comment by: A.W. on 2nd December 2015 at 10:13

I think "Mesnes" might derive from the Anglo Norman "demesne" meaning land belonging to a manor.

Comment by: Alan on 2nd December 2015 at 10:49

I totally agree with gary.
Neil, try talking over the phone, you always have to spell the address out.

Comment by: Ann on 2nd December 2015 at 10:53

Not a matter to please outsiders, you always need to spell out the word, try living there.

Comment by: AL from worsley mains on 2nd December 2015 at 11:00

Neil you simply don't understand do you. Not to please others at all, its all about explaining my address over the phone. It happens every time.

Comment by: Roy on 2nd December 2015 at 14:33

Correct AW, the land beside a manor, church, hall etc, nothing to do with Mains.

Comment by: A.W. on 2nd December 2015 at 15:15

The land where the park, Parsons Walk and college now stands was once known as the "Old Mesnes" so it probably belonged to Wigan Hall (The Rectory).

Comment by: Garry on 2nd December 2015 at 16:17

Maggie, at the top of the photo is Google search, type in Mesnes Park. You'll see loads more photos of the park.
I hope it cheers you up.

Comment by: trevor on 2nd December 2015 at 18:32

S
ure i have read about a Duke/Lord/Sire De Mesnes, from the wigan area?

Comment by: Neil Rigby on 2nd December 2015 at 19:48

A.W. and Roy, the meaning of demesne has nothing to do with 'main' as you say, but its pronunciation (Old French) does (apparently) being pronounced di'mein or di'mayn and is a varient of 'domaine.

Mesne itself refers to 'middle' and a mesne lord is a landlord who has tenants holding under him, while himself holding of a superior lord, i.e. subletting.

The 's' in mesne was probably unvoiced (as many letters in French are) hence 'mene' and the last 'e' not spoken (like champagne) leaves us with men or mein.

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demesne

The Italian word 'mezzanine' meaning middle floor, seems strongly related. (Old French came from Latin.)

Comment by: Roy on 3rd December 2015 at 00:32

Sorry Neil, i didn't say it had owt to do with Main, i said the opposite.

Comment by: David Fairclough on 3rd December 2015 at 08:04

I left Wigan when I was 10 but have a problem with Maims Park and Hey Hall

Comment by: A.W on 3rd December 2015 at 08:46

Neil, I pointed out the likely origin of "mesnes" as a name and made no connection with "mains".

Comment by: Garry on 4th December 2015 at 19:02

You can also say that with Leigh-Lee.

Comment by: Bbrad on 7th December 2015 at 15:46

Where is Hey Hall, or where is the Town Hall in Lee, or as a Wiganer would say LEY ,?????

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