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NEW SQUARE/MARSH'S YARD? 1951
Photo: RON HUNT
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Item #: 33428
A rare image The back of the photograph says MARSH'S YARD but I think this is a mistake and it should be NEW SQUARE? The entrance which is visible was next to number 40 Standishgate, according to a 1890 Directory. Which was next to CHAMBERLAINS music shop. SUBWAY is number 38 so you can workout where it was. There was also another entrance higher up Standishgate and another entrance, which is still there, on Mesnes St. opposite the entrance to the Multi Story Car Park.

Comment by: Cyril on 3rd December 2021 at 19:27

I remember Mitchinson's Florist being in the entry off Standishgate, they also had another florist shop on Mesnes Street.

Ron, I don't know if Tom (I don't know his surname) who was born in and lived for a time in New Square is still around. He moved to Wales for a time and after retiring returned to Wigan and was a colleague at Asda before retiring from there in his nineties, probably someone in the office at Asda may have information. There was a write up about him here: https://corporate.asda.com/newsroom/2017/08/10/asdas-oldest-colleague-tom-celebrates-his-92nd-birthday-and-says-he-has-no-plans-to-retire

Comment by: RON HUNT on 3rd December 2021 at 20:10

Cyril if he was 92 in 2008 Can't see him still being around..

Comment by: Maureen on 3rd December 2021 at 20:11

The Tom that you mention isn't the one that sorts the trolleys out at Asda is he?..he is well into his nineties and would go to Wales every year for his holidays.

Comment by: Maureen on 3rd December 2021 at 20:26

I've just been reading about him,his name is Tom Brogan..he was still still working when we used to go about three years ago..he walked like a young un..always had a spring in his step

Comment by: Cyril on 3rd December 2021 at 20:30

That's him Maureen, my mother knew him when they were at school and he later moved up to where she and her family lived at High Street.

Ron this was around 7 to 8 years ago, but like you say he may be gone or close on being 100.

Comment by: Roy on 3rd December 2021 at 21:09

These Yards must have been terrible places to live, in both the 1861 and 71 censuses my gt gt grandparents and their 8 children lived in Smithy Yard which was on the Swinley end of Standishgate, what a life !!

Comment by: Edna on 3rd December 2021 at 23:05

I vaguely remember a yard like this one, just off Greenough Street, and the opening at the top brought you out onto Scholes, near the chemist.Does anyone remember this?

Comment by: rt on 4th December 2021 at 02:35

that would be crawford terrace in scholes edna at the back of jackson square

Comment by: Elizabeth on 4th December 2021 at 08:36

Good photo,it looks very 'Dickensian'.

Comment by: freddie on 4th December 2021 at 09:15

Ron he was 92 in 2017 and hopefully he is still around

Comment by: RON HUNT on 4th December 2021 at 10:42

It reminds me of the place FAGIN lived in the musical OLIVER

Comment by: John on 4th December 2021 at 14:03

There was a yard similar to this off the opposite side of Standishgate behind Mark Williams', The houses were still lived in in the 1950s when we used to cut through as a short cut after watching matches at Central Park. Does anyone know what the name of that yard was I wonder?

Comment by: RON HUNT on 4th December 2021 at 14:25

John that information is very interesting as on the back of the photograph it says MARSH'S YARD STANDISHGATE/CROMPTON STREET. So Maybe be this is the yard next to Mark Williams and NEW SQUARE is the one on the opposite side of Standishgate??? More investigation is required...

Comment by: John on 4th December 2021 at 16:00

You could be right Ron, as the yard I mentioned was behind the buildings forming the angle of Crompton Street and Standishgate. I don't remember whether you could emerge on to Crompton Street though. There's a list of Wigan Yards on Wigan World but it's difficult to locate them unless you know the building numbers on the main streets and there could be some yards missing from the list.

Comment by: Cyril on 4th December 2021 at 16:43

As a point of interest Ron and John the next Alley up from there and next to what was the White Horse now the Ukulele is Marsh Lane.

If of interest to anyone it was Marsh Lane that (James Booth) George Formby Senior and his wife Eliza Hoy lived when married before later moving to Westminster Street.

Comment by: Elizabeth on 4th December 2021 at 16:45

Was it Marsh Lane behind Mark Williams?

Comment by: RON HUNT on 4th December 2021 at 18:51

John, yes I've for the list of yards but MARSH'S YARD isn't listed? I am going into town next week and I'll check the backs of SUBWAY and the shop next door, to see if they are anything like the ones on the photo.

Comment by: Peter Walsh on 6th December 2021 at 07:05

I could be the last yard before Crompton Street. If you went out through the tunnel at the top of the picture Nymans jewelers would be opposite on the corner.

Comment by: Veronica on 6th December 2021 at 10:28

There must have been many forgotten yards that people didn't know about. My grandfather was born in Clockface Yard behind the shops in Scholes and Hardybutts. Humble dwellings squeezed in to make the most of any space available.

Comment by: Veronica on 6th December 2021 at 13:31

Edna, I think you mean Crawford Terrace. It was a nice clean place. Small terraced housing and the usual cobbled road. I used to nip down that way when going to Wigan sometimes. There should be a photo of it on WW album.

Comment by: Edna on 6th December 2021 at 15:10

Thank you rt, and Veronica.I remember it now, wasn't there a clogged as well? Or am I mistaken?

Comment by: Veronica on 6th December 2021 at 17:36

Yes it was 'Blinkhorn's' cloggers Edna - where I used to take my dad's clogs on the left coming through the entry. He used to come up through a trap door and made me jump out of my skin! But there was always some comics to read whilst waiting. Used to have to wait ages! My dad used to say go to Blinkhorn's ''He blinks his eyes and blows his horn''. ,***

Comment by: RON HUNT on 7th December 2021 at 11:52

I've just been into town and checked the backs of the two original buildings on Standishgate i.e. SUBWAY and the shop next door and the configuration of the windows isn't the same as this image. I'm now presuming that this yard was the one next to MARK WILLIAMS shop and the houses on the left were behind shops on Crompton Street.

Comment by: Jean on 7th December 2021 at 19:11

This may be of interest to some of you. My grandmother was married from number 2 Marsh Lane in 1920 at St George’s Church.On the 1901 and1911 census she lived at Colliers yard and their first child my mother was born at 4 St Anne’s Square are these all close together. I would love to know.

Comment by: Cyril on 25th December 2021 at 20:42

Ron, on Frank Orrell's Facebook page (link below) he has courtesy of Wigan Evening Post and Wigan Observer, a photo of Standishgate showing the shops of Voses and John Earl Travel and the Alleyway that ran off there with a sign for Mayfair Salon and Frank says that the address on the sign is New Square.

https://www.facebook.com/frankorrellphotography/photos/bc.AbrR0qW692JLj2aPGPIP3835d60YpwzvST78wcmriQyqn9haUkrvh_psEFi5IMfuP46s8g0IEsO3YTxh5HAB1nv-_j76mriHNUTEx4Re__wJYS6g22B-uIuTCy1uimLqD0OMGocQcbShY0atYpBIIEEy/1093896497750873/?opaqueCursor=Abql7n7Dmbl5fpc0IWFX5VYkGGPfWyyRx4Gj2M-FBxz6_9OBn-K6InodGdZqwwjl0GjlOJaR1ciCSWy3u43HLv5bdnHxWxc23TLCQT7saEwbrOMWpf2AKZqE6eEtYjyRaCP2osu0y-wgrfg5X0sF75s0jzmmuOPLY_Hpl-Nf2frsxqBDz2akrh602lGmCXfOY01YVTXbfm3wuvQZnXGvtVgZLLKGGq1lZUE092Gz5xEaFcFI2jryQV0AA1ivIyH-gkExcRnceDSjfMoy6DzRLr_FCKUB7J7wTSD3odUyRCX0VNERC7b5TwG1W3V7G7pYEtWnrUg3hCS0h9i8B-31OnOBj-awHtcsWciWRFheQAm1YUYlsZScLTXD5b6rQ5crUk0OB80qXcCHJTJm72xJ85UaIdP2EKpfBsieNwYV-0fqLa7rov2DogFpz_aObw4fHkHG758Be63Vs-w189EVMl7Dr_cOkLbJ2PV0buEi3DVbEysOb5Vi1Oq26gWORGmPYNtszGxIXqwn5oGBlYp_Yyyw9XeOI43lNlYkPx9-zJbf68j3aIludVlVz52o0ww3aktqhGpsBdjzUwDYOWY-5v82Hz5IZNZE0y07R8KM_ZDFSS_SAF1MRqN1MLlMt8kE8wpoIkFyX1mfx8IrIoOK3lIbnKXkgiTjbTw_d3UHuA_-xg

Comment by: RON HUNT on 25th December 2021 at 22:34

Thanks Cyril that link was most helpful I'll upload it to the web site. I knew there was an entrance to NEW SQUARE in that vicinity but could never find an image

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