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The Pubs of Scholes
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Taken from a newspaper cutting a few years ago and compiled by Scholes local Tom Penman. The Penman's lived in Stanley Street Scholes and I remember playing with their children when I lived in Golborne St between the late forties and mid fifties. My Grand parents lived there until Scholes was decimated in the late 60s then moved to the new Platt Lane. The people of Scholes (of which I am proud to be one of) used to say that if you started at the bottom of Scholes and had a gill (half a pint) of beer in each pub going upto Whelley you wouldn't make it all the way. I am sure many tried. I don't know of anyone that did manage it! Do you???

Comment by: Keith on 1st August 2012 at 19:57

This description of Scholes tallies with the tales told to me by my parents who in turn were re-telling stories handed down by an earlier generation who perhaps "were there" so to speak. Drunkeness, wife beating were all too common in those early industrial days (especially on Saturday nights) which were probably, in part, the result of an extremely hard way of life - balanced no doubt by kindness, neighbourliness and the gathering around in times of hardship by a community that practically lived on top of one another. My own parents ran a pub in the Scholes area from 1950 to 1956 and we found the people, kind, considerate and helpful - the "salt of the earth" is a description that would certainly apply to some. I totally agree it's impossible to imagine today just what the place was like all those years ago but I do know from my family research that my maternal grandparents, in the late 19th century, had 14 children, 9 of whom did not live beyond the age of 4. Times we cannot even begin to imagine.

Comment by: Peter on 1st August 2012 at 21:17

I know/ knew Tom Penman. Met him a few times
I lived next door to his sister Mary for many years

Comment by: Thomas(Tom) Walsh. on 1st August 2012 at 21:55

John,thank you for posting this item,it is very interesting to look back,some of the public houses mentioned in the article were ale houses,only allowed
to sell ales and porter,The Rose and Crown was one such pub,and though several landlords tried to get a full licence,they were unsuccessful, I don't know what the criteria was to obtain a licence to sell liquor ,but I know one application was turned down on the grounds of only having outside toilet facilitys .Its nickname was the Dust Hole,I had a pint in there on many occasions,and it always seemed particularly clean.Has anybody got any idea ,where this title came from?,it would be very interesting to know

Comment by: Jack Robey on 1st August 2012 at 22:34

Another interesting fact about all of these pubs is that Malcolm Holland never bought a round in any of them !!

Comment by: tuddy on 1st August 2012 at 23:07

Only the Balcarres is still open from this list, but these pub's were just the ones on the main road in Scholes, others in the Scholes area included: St Patrick's club,(still open) The Wigan Arms, The Cotton Tree, The Vulcan, The Black Bull,( still open) The Silverwell (still open) The Stanley Arms, The Spotted Cow. Any others?

Comment by: aitch on 1st August 2012 at 23:44

there is a more extensive list of Scholes pubs already on WW, look on stuff, pubs of the past and click on Scholes pubs, there are over 70 named.

Comment by: Thomas (Tom) Walsh on 2nd August 2012 at 02:12

Tuddy ,there were quite a lot of public houses to either side of Scholes including the Mount Pleasent ,The Regent(cough and cure),The Birkett ,The Bath Springs,The Prince of Wales,The Squrel ,The Grapes,The Princess of Wales although this was at the bottom of Greenhough Street ,but still within staggering distance,and before my time there was a fifth one in Wellington Street,The White Hourse,this was kept by Rileys of wrestling fame,it had been converted to two houses,when I was a child,I am sure there must be others that I can't remember,it will be very interesting to see if other people,can fill the gaps.

Comment by: Scholes Malc on 2nd August 2012 at 09:25

JohnAlan - yes the Penmans did live in Stanley St, and so did I, but the author is a different Tom Penman I am almost sure.

Comment by: tuddy on 2nd August 2012 at 11:18

Thanks for that Tom, I love those nicknames that the pubs had, Dust Hole, Cough and Cure, where did that name come from? I forgot to mention The Foudry In Warrington Lane, also known as the Smoothing Iron. I was told this nickname came from the shape of the vault, can anyone confirm this?

Comment by: olly on 2nd August 2012 at 11:28

Tom,I assume "dust hole" came from its proper name which was the shovel and broom.from the river douglas bridge going up scholes pubs on the left hand side where,Thatched House,Rope & Anchor,Shovel & Broom,Bold Arms,Travellers Rest,blue Bell,Horse & Jockey,kings Arms,Crown & sceptre,Black Swan,White swan,roebuck,Windmill,Bird I`th Hand,Balcarres,Jolly Carter,Red Lion,Stag, from Eckersley St, back down opposite side. Gibralter Inn,Rose & Crown,Harp Inn,Oddfellows Arms,Shamrock,Angel,Weavers Arms Fleece,Clock face,Free Trade Inn,Moulders Arms. I am led to believe all these pubs have been open at sometime after the 1900`s

Comment by: RON HUNT on 2nd August 2012 at 11:29

The REGENT PUB in Greenough street was nicknamed the "KILL AND CURE" as next door but one was Doctor Hoey's surgery. My grandmother lived in the "and"

Comment by: Keith on 2nd August 2012 at 11:32

Re:- my earlier comment I should have said my great grandparents lived in the late 19th century - the pub I lived in was within the ambit of Scholes, just, i.e. The Crispin Arms in Birkett Bank, still there but re-built in 1956 the year we left.

Comment by: Albert. on 2nd August 2012 at 16:53

In the late fifties, on numerous occasions, Scholes was on my beat, especially working round Scholes. On Fridays, and Saturdays, we would double up until midnight. On Scholes, Market Place,Standishgate, and Wallgate. I cannot remember, any occasion,being called to any type of trouble,in any Scholes public house. In those days the licesing hours were very modest. There were quite a number of fisticuffs, out on the street. They were very soon sorted out. No weapons, nor bottles, etc. were ever used.

Comment by: Thomas(Tom)Walsh. on 2nd August 2012 at 17:27

Olly ,The Dust Hole wasn't tThe Shovel and Broom,its nickname was The
Spick and Span, The Dust Hole was The Rose and Crown,which was immediately opposite Greenhough Street,Regards Tom.

Comment by: tony k on 2nd August 2012 at 20:37

what about the mount plesant in scholofield lane

Comment by: Malc Stott on 3rd August 2012 at 10:36

Tom Penman is my uncle, and i don't ever remember him or his sister (my mum, god rest her soul) living in Stanley St. If my memory serves me right, they lived in John St. Tom recently turned 80, and Sam, is older brother still lives in Rupert St.

Comment by: David Simm on 5th August 2012 at 13:05

One great Scholes landmark that was demolished in my teens, was the Royal George, I think it was called, mr grandfather referred to it as the "doss house" apparently it was some kind of transient lodging, all I remember passing throught there and seeing this huge building with imposing architecture.

Comment by: JohnAlan on 14th August 2012 at 08:58

My Gt Grandparents Robert and Mary Ellen Critchley ran the Crown and Sceptre Hotel, 94 Scholes until around April 1920. Gt Granddad died but not sure if Gt Grandma was allowed to continue to run it.

Comment by: WILLIAM on 21st December 2012 at 19:42

Hi,Scholes my ancestory lived at 2 and 4 scholes st. and were innkeepers of a beer house but the name of the pub is unknown does anyone know to name of this pub at 2 or 4 scholes st.

thank you
merry christmas

Comment by: David Jacobs on 18th October 2020 at 22:09

The Penmans mentioned must be from Stanley st.I was born directly opposite and I remember aTommy, Sammy, Richard and a few others I can’t name their mother was Alice.

Comment by: David Jacobs on 18th October 2020 at 22:31

The Penmans mentioned must be from Stanley st.I was born directly opposite and I remember aTommy, Sammy, Richard and a few others I can’t name,their mother was Alice.A good family and like mine as poor as church mice.

Comment by: Elizabeth Green on 26th October 2020 at 16:05

My grandparents William and Margaret Leyland were landlords of two of the Scholes pubs, the Blue Bell and the Shovel and Broom although I am not sure of the exact dates (probably the forties).I believe that my maternal great grandfather James Jolley was also a pub landlord in Scholes although I don’t know which one. Any information would be greatly received!

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