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He was also Deputy Head at Rose Bridge in the late 60's early 70's

mr wardle was head teacher at rose bridge in 80s.remember getting caned of him.a very good man

He was my Headmaster at Rose Bridge '79 to '83. Think he retired a year or two after.

Mr. Wardle was Deputy Head at Rose Bridge in the early 1970s, he later succeeded Mr.Winstanley as Headmaster until he retired. Definitely one from the old school by dealing with punishment by six of the best until your backside turned red with heat or your right hand lashed with the cane. Discipline was the order of the day and do wrong you knew what to expect. In my opinion, this type of punishment should never have stopped, it sorted out the misbehaves and bully boys...it made my generation think twice about right and wrong in and out of school. Mr.Wardle sadly died a few years ago.

had meny a six from old wink

Hitting a child for any reason should never be justified, whether it helped with discipline or not.

Patrick( another mamby pamby Liberal no doubt) that is why the country is like it is. Can you name me one person who has been psychologically damaged by getting the cane at school????

Or a size nine pump off Snazzer or Cobber Brown. You're right corporal punishment made you think twice and learned you discipline .

Wiganer, anyone hits my child, they will answer to me. No need for it.

I suspect a lot of teachers who used this sort of punishment years ago had some sort of psychological issue with themselves and took it out on the children they hit. Thank goodness we don't have the likes of the man in the above picture educating children today.

that what needed today with igront little brats you are bringing up today they no respect for enybody fowl mouth kids must get from there parents

No wonder the world's like it is with the attitudes like Gary and Patrick. I bet their kids never do anything wrong in their eyes? If I got the cane at school and went home and told my dad I would get another slap from him.Only told him once, and I got the cane or gym pump regularly. It was all part of school life I knew I had done wrong and took the punishment. I had no problems with that
As Wiganer has said How many people do you know who have now got any sort of issues, relating to having the cane at school. I wait with baited breath

I went to a school reunion a few years ago – the fortieth anniversary of leaving.
A few of the surviving teachers went, and almost all of them there were the ones who either caned you, or gave you a good scutching if you misbehaved.
We were all (even those of us they had punished) delighted to see them, because they were the teachers we remembered with respect. They made us behave in class, and we actually learned off them because we paid attention to what they were saying, knowing what would happen if we didn’t.
Even in my time at school – the 1960s and 1970s – there were a few teachers who thought they could manage a class without resorting to corporal punishment, and they were the ones we learned least from, because the disorderly elements in the class knew they could run riot, and disrupt the learning of others.

I don't have any children. I turned 20 in august and I'm in my last year at university. I was never caned or hit in school and neither were my friends - all decent, funny, pleasant, hardworking people; one studying to be a lawyer and another who is already a manager at a local Tesco. The rest are in the same situation as me, at university. If we misbehaved (and we did) we weren't punished by being caned. We still knew right from wrong. One thing we were taught is to respect other people's views and opinions regardless of us disagreeing with them, evidently a lot of people on here were not.

When I was at school teachers who didn't punish you, by using some sort of corporal punishment, were considered as a SOFT TOUCH and believe me looking back we made their lives a misery.
As Colin said the ones who did dish punishment out, oddly enough we respected more.
Patrick, with all due respect you are 20. You don't know what you are talking about. You can't comment on things you have never experienced.

Age doesn't mean intelligence, experience nor does it mean maturity. A lot of the older generations on here prove that in their flippant comments.

Some teachers can hold the attention of a class with nothing more than a love of the subject and a talent for teaching, others with less talent sometimes resort to other methods to gain attention.

I'll repeat what's been said "YOU CAN'T COMMENT ON THINGS YOU HAVE NEVER EXPERIENCED"( Obviously you have never had the cane) You may have an opinion, but as in all aspects of life There is no substitute for experience. I went to an all boys Grammar School and if it wasn't for the threat of the cane we would have run riot in some of the classes. Yet I have never heard one comment from ex pupils to say that getting the cane has "DAMAGED" them in anyway. Complete opposite. The problem is there are to many people who have been brainwashed by the Left Wing, Liberal Do Gooders of today. Just ask the people from the I.O.M. what has happened to the crime rate there since the birch was abolished.

Wiganer, I'm more than capable of reading without you typing in capitals. You're completely missing the important points I make and picking up on the one's you can only retaliate to. None of my friends or myself were ever hit or caned in school and none of us have ever committed a crime in our lives. Explain that one. In my opinion it's down to the upbringing of a child and other factors (not the lack of discipline in school) which leads to them committing crimes in the community. I've seen and heard children misbehaving and swearing before they've even started school. Bad parenting.

I think it is you who is missing the point. We are discussing the pros and cons of corporal punishment in schools and I am saying . There are thousands of people who never got the cane who have turned out to be exemplary people AND there are a lot of Exemplary people today who are like that BECAUSE they were caned at school. It is called discipline Some people don't need to be disciplined and some do.
You STILL haven't answered the question "How many people do you know or have you heard about who say that being caned at school as in some way DAMAGED them? If the vast majority of people who were caned are saying that it didn't do them any harm, in fact it did them some good, How is it you, who have never been caned can say it was unjustifiable??? You are just a young kid who knows nothing about life.
As a matter of interest which school did you attended and what subjects are you studying at University?

Let's agree to disagree on this one; we could be here all week debating the subject and if I'm honest I have more important things to be doing than justifying myself to someone who I don't even know or care about. I'll say one final thing, I think you're probably a grumpy old man who either A. didn't receive enough hugs when he was little or B. has never got over the emotional pain of being caned as a child (I hope this answers your question).

Patrick, it's a good job there weren't many men/boys like you around in 1939. Typical Student attitude of today. Knows nowt and thinks they know it all. I was quite enjoying your discussions with Wiganer etc.Even though you never came up with any answers to Wiganers questions.
Anyway don't forget Spongebob Square Pants is on again in the morning..

Patrick...read and absorb
Proverbs 13-24

Patrick's not old enough and experienced enough to pass comments on this subject. He's just a school boy himself.

Pepper pig and Thomas the tank engine would suit Patrick, he,s just a little boy who thinks he knows it all...a big kid.

You never got the cane has a child, it was at the big school when you was a teenager. It should have continued today...just like when the local bobby give you a clip round the earhole.

No discipline i.e. a good smack, in school and at home. these days. You only need to walk around town to see the results.

Many of you miss the point here. We didn't respect them, any of them. In fact, we HATED them; the ones who dished it out. It was never respect: the word fear comes to mind...And ANY teacher who resorted to hitting young teenagers, in my opinion, had lost control of the class...Thank God we moved on.

Sorry Jarvo, speak for yourself, I respected all my teachers, if they caned me or not. Some I liked some I didn't, but I respected them. As has already been posted if you are saying caning people isn't a deterrent why has the crime rate gone up in the I.O.M. since the abolition of the birch? Why is every town now in the U.K. blighted by people who don't give a toss about anyone or anything.
What would you do to a pupil who spat in your face if you were a teacher? I know this has happened.

Obviously outnumbered on here by decrepit men. There are much more who agree with me in reality. I may never have experienced the cane, but I sure as hell have the right to say that I think hitting children is wrong.

Consensus of opinion says you are wrong. Some of these DECREPIT OLD MEN have forgotten more than you will ever know.
Let's guess what subject you are studying??? Psychology, Media Studies? Sociology?

Apologies for the length of this, but once started I found it difficult to stop - typical teacher you will say, but I was far from that and I suggest many teachers are far from the stereotype.
I taught all kinds of secondary age children aged 11 to 18 for 40 years. Without being overly modest with some success - my point is that there are so many variables in teaching it's impossible or nearly impossible to pinpoint single issues such as corporal punishment, or the lack of it as the "cause" of problems in our schools.
I hasten to add that despite my widespread experience, Secondary Modern, Grammar and finally 25 years in a Comprehensive that had a 70% ethnic mix, this does not qualify me as any kind of “expert” on child behaviour.
However, lack of control of a class undoubtedly is an issue that troubles everyone - the question is how do you tackle it - without of course resorting to physical threats?
Answer - pour more resources into the classroom ? this won't work unless the Government has unlimited funds - bring back corporal punishment? undoubtedly a quick, cheap and effective answer for many, but not all problems.
As a schoolboy myself I was witness to several assaults on some of my fellow pupils - undoubtedly just a very small minority of teachers abusing their position and the system that allowed small physical corrections to take place to quickly and effectively put pupils “back on track” in their lessons.
As a teacher I have very effectively "controlled" large difficult classes for many years without any use of corporal punishment but equally, at times, have been "defeated" by tiny groups of "difficult" children - just what is the answer?
Basically, apart from the really disturbed children of whom there are very few, the quality of the classroom teacher is, in my opinion, paramount BUT every teacher needs support at various times when confronted by groups of difficult children or classes - the question is how is that best delivered and what should it be?
If you've taken away the most short term effective and cheapest method i.e. corporal punishment - what is its most effective replacement - I don't think anyone has yet got the answer to this, although a lot of strategies do work very well, the problem is that not all teachers are supported effectively with good effective support, which obviously costs more money.
It is, I think, work in progress, but in the meantime the tail is, far too often, wagging the dog and in the process affecting the quality of learning of innocent children who deserve better.
I also found management (I was always a chalk face teacher) in teaching woefully lacking when it came to tackling these problems, however, in fairness the problems can be so widespread even with good management it can be very difficult in certain schools to deliver the quality of education that all our children deserve.
Headteachers, who have an almost impossible job, are key in promoting effective management but it must be a strong united team team with common purpose, absolutely essential - it is rare to find.
The schools I taught in had many Ofsted reports and they often picked out the obvious which is fine providing they then gave you the resources for the school to put in place the measures that would improve matters. Needless to say this rarely ever happened. Counsels of perfection rarely work.
I don’t want this message to seem like doom and gloom so I will finish by saying this, in 40 years I never lost a single night’s sleep over any pupil, no matter how “horrendous” he or she may have seemed to have been, I could not say that about a few (very few) of my colleagues!
However, I can honestly say that I thoroughly enjoyed my teaching career, many of the children I taught were absolutely fantastic, both in ability and attitude. A number were challenging, I dealt with them as best I could but my mantra at all times was “fairness to every single child” and absolutely no tolerance of any disruption to a child’s education in my classroom. It served me and the children well.

Crikes, for 90 yeers, Warton, Cheery, Bull, and those other beests of the Remove ave been given a gud thrashing off Old Quelch. Never did uz any arm. YAROOO

Bring school milk back.

garry your comments betray who you are a uni oik that knows everything,you think that no one is has wise a yourself.your friend is a manager at Tesco.a few weeks ago I had a little earwig at a late night conversion,i say conversion. it reminded me of my school days ,this very young manager was laying the law down to around 10 or 12 workers on what should be achieved that evenings shift,how proud she was giving instructions to people very much older than herself ,patronising and condescending,with absolutely no respect for her fellow workers.god help us all when people like you take charge.your a wet behind the ears no nothing.however I will say you have the right to post any clap trap you like.most young people today could do very much better for themselves if they had received such discipline.

Dennis Seddon. You have created a situation comparable to "Prime Minister's Question time", where everyone has an opinion, but no one ever wins the argument.

No baker boy, I'm not always right, but most of the time I am.

Albert, I'm amazed!, all I said was that he was my Form Teacher in the 1960s.

I've joined this thread late but for what it's worth here's my "experience". Many, many years ago I trained as a teacher but soon gave up, however, I remember teaching practice at an all boys school in Tyldesley - let's say it was a daunting proposition!
I was charged with teaching one of the very many difficult classes, I managed, but not without moments of difficulty. Their "usual" teacher would make a nominal appearance when things in the class became too much for the novice teacher - as if by magic, this rather unprepossessing, rotund, bald and visually challenged man simply looked at the class and incredibly hush and "respect" descendent on the whole class. I looked in wonder at the man and could not work out what magic formula he possessed. It was only later that I learned that he had the habit of taking any miscreants to his room and thrashing them - it obviously "worked" but I wasn't to know that until later.

garry my most sincere apologies I was referring to Patrick,the 20 year old with a oap's head on his shoulders.

Accepted Baker Boy, no hard feelings.

i am now in my 70s so been thru the cracks round the head rulers canes [choice of 2] in the 40s/50s education system and Patrick is not far of the mark iwould suggest

i am now in my 70s so been thru the cracks round the head rulers canes [choice of 2] in the 40s/50s education system and Patrick is not far of the mark i would suggest